Would all X77 1969 Z28's not have rocker, roof drip, quarter louver, and wheel opening moldings?

All cars had the rocker spears, but you are correct on the rest not being included on an X77 car.

In the chart here, X44 is the same as X77:

http://camaros.org/numbers.shtml#XnnCodes

I thought the 69 Z28 was either X33 or X77. What is an X44? Thanks for helping.

X44 is a base Camaro but they also made COPO 427's out of base Camaros.

The X77 I am looking at has the rocker,quarter,roof drip, and wheel opening moldings. Does that mean someone added all of them except the rocker molding? There are enough original items on it to prove it is a Z28.

A lot of X77 cars had the trim added over the years (made that mistake myself) usually once a repaint was done.

The anolgy was that X44, X66 and X77 were all base trim cars. X44= Base Car, Non SS, Non Z28 (or in some rare cases COPO), X66= Non Trim SS Big Block and X77= Non Trim Z28

X11, X22 and X33 were all cars that had the bright trim on th exterior.
X11= Trim Base car (or in some cases SS350 or in rare cases COPO), X22 = Trim SS BB, and X33 = Trim Z28.

:)

Rich

back then you could add anything you wanted...not like today where you have to order a "package". when i worked at a chevy dealership back the a lot of plain cars came through with just door edge gaurds or wheel well moldings...just something that the person ordering the car wanted, so it was possible to get a X77 car that a customer ordered so have some differant things on it that you wouldn't normally see on a dealer stock car..

The anolgy was that X44, X66 and X77 were all base trim cars. X44= Base Car, Non SS, Non Z28 (or in some rare cases COPO), X66= Non Trim SS Big Block and X77= Non Trim Z28

X11, X22 and X33 were all cars that had the bright trim on th exterior.
X11= Trim Base car (or in some cases SS350 or in rare cases COPO), X22 = Trim SS BB, and X33 = Trim Z28.

:)

Rich

Don't forget the X55, non trim 350 SS car.

Thanks for all the help. Do we agree that the X77 could have come with the trim package if someone requested it. I want to put the appropriate trim on the car when I reassemble it.

Thanks for all the help. Do we agree that the X77 could have come with the trim package if someone requested it. I want to put the appropriate trim on the car when I reassemble it.

No, the trim would not have come on the car from the factory.

Don't forget the X55, non trim 350 SS car.

Russ,
I totally agree with your terminology. It's not a base car, it's a non-trim car.

I've seen some really loaded X44, X55, X66, and X77 cars. Power windows, gauges, AC, optional engines, etc. But they didn't order the exterior trim, that's all.

X77 never had style trim. Reread the CRG page again. http://camaros.org/numbers.shtml#XnnCodes

You didn't order an X77 car, so they did not just add trim to it. You ordered the options you wanted (style trim, RS, Z/28, SS, etc), and the factory coded the trim tag appropriately so the Fisher side workers knew how to prep/paint the body. (well, at least Norwood did, after early December, 1968) It is just happenstance that we can use those codes to help determine the provenance of some cars.

It is easy to tell if it is the other way around i.e. if the trim has been removed.

Cars that came with trim package are a little different in the driprails frontmost part. Just after the A-pillar there is a splice in the driprail. On cars without trim this splice is covered with a clip and with trim the clip is not there since the trim acts like a cover of the splice.

You can see many cars that has had the trim removed and this is a telltale if so.


Jan

Believe it or not, I know a guy who has several of those little clips NOS! As I recall, they are plastic.

I will check the driprail. The quarter panel louver holes are elongated and staggered screws held the rocker molding clips on. This makes me wonder if the trim was added. Didn't the rocker molding clips attach to pins that were welded to the rockers?

The driprail has the clip covering the joint, the quarter louver holes in the quarter panel are elongated, the rocker molding clips were screwed on and the moldings were not straight, (I did not see any evidence of welded studs), and the wheel opening moldings look normal. So......what trim do you think came on the car originally? Thanks for your expert help. I want to put this car back the way it should be.

The driprail has the clip covering the joint, the quarter louver holes in the quarter panel are elongated, the rocker molding clips were screwed on and the moldings were not straight, (I did not see any evidence of welded studs), and the wheel opening moldings look normal. So......what trim do you think came on the car originally? Thanks for your expert help. I want to put this car back the way it should be.

NO STYLE TRIM WITH X77.

Rocker trim is not part of style trim and should be installed.

Does this help?

Thanks for the help, I will install the rocker moldings and leave off the drip rail, quarter louver, and wheel opening moldings.

Thanks for the help, I will install the rocker moldings and leave off the drip rail, quarter louver, and wheel opening moldings.

Also tail lamps should not have vertical trim bars; headlamp bezels should be argent and not have chrome trim.

Would the grill be black?

No. All non-RS Z/28s had the standard argent [silver] grille and bezels.

The clips I've seen were metal not plastic.

I will check the driprail. The quarter panel louver holes are elongated and staggered screws held the rocker molding clips on. This makes me wonder if the trim was added. Didn't the rocker molding clips attach to pins that were welded to the rockers?

There were no "clips" or pins for the rocker molding; it had a long steel retainer strip attached to the rocker with screws, and the bright molding hooked over the top of the retainer strip and was secured at each end with one screw. See the Assembly Manual, UPC 1, sheet C1.

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