Lance-w
Apr 6th, 09, 07:51 AM
I thought I'd throw this out to the experts. I have a front end shimmy at about 105mph. It's not a wheel balance issue as there is zero evidence at ~60mph where those usually show up. The car is a fresh build and everything on the front end is new or in very good shape. Some details on the car.
69 Camaro RS/SS 350
Stock subframe (modified for tires and fully seam welded)
Hotckiss springs
Bilstien shocks
DSE upper arms
Speedtech lower arms
Factory quick ratio PS box
Guldstrand mod
P275/40ZR-17 tires
17 x 8 5.25 backspace wheels
2002 LS1 discs on 69 drum hubs
Factory disc spindles
2002 ls6 engine (lighter than stock smallblock)
That's all I can think of..........
The alignment is currently:
Right:
Camber -3/8 degree
Caster 4.625 degrees
Left:
Camber -1/2 degree
Caster 4.25 degree
Toe-in 1/8 total
I'm very confident on the alignment numbers as I've checked/done it three times now looking for something. The car drives great and very straight down the street. It have very nimble response to turns. Overall I like everything about it except for the shimmy.
I aligned it to basically "David's specs" on this page:
ALIGNMENT SPECS
David's Specs
Caster 5 deg positive, or as much positive as you can achieve up to 5 deg, can use .5 deg more positive on the passenger side to compensate for road crown.
Camber -.25 degee for mostly freeway driving, -.5 for street and occasional hard cornering, -1 deg for street, Autocross, and Open Track. you can use even more if tire temps show outside edge of tread is hotter than inside. If the inner edges of tread show excessive wear, use less neg camber. If you have not done the Guldstrand mod, you can add .25 to .5 deg to the above camber settings.
Toe in, 1/16" to 1/8".
Guldstrand recommends the following specs for a "touring car":
Caster: 3 - 4 degrees positive (+) PS = more, manual steer less.
Camber: 1/4 to 1/2 degrees negative (-)
With upper a-arm relocation Camber: 0 degrees
Toe-in: 0 - 1/8 inch
Guldstrand recomends for racing:
(assumes "Guldstrand mod" is done)
Caster 3 to 4 1/8 deg pos
Camber 1.5 to 2 deg neg
Toe in 1/8" out to 1/8" in (I would try 1/8" out first) more neg camber = more toe out.
Herb Adams recomends these alignment specs for the street:
1 degree positive caster ( I would use 3.5 degrees if PS)
1 degree negative camber.
1/16" toe in
Stock factory alignment specs:
Caster +1/2 deg
Camber + 1/4 to 1/2 deg
Toe-in 1/8" to 1/4" (Radial tires need less toe-in, use 1/8" or less for them)
IN ALL POWER STEERING EQUIPPED CASES, USE AS MUCH POSITIVE CASTER AS YOU CAN ACHIEVE UP TO 5.5 DEGREES POSITIVE MAXIMUM. MORE CASTER HELPS TILT THE WHEEL INWARD WHEN CORNERING, HELPS REDUCE BUMPSTEER BY LOWERING THE TIE ROD ENDS. MANUAL STEER CARS WILL REQUIRE MORE EFFORT AT HIGH CASTER SETTINGS, YOU MAY HAVE TO USE LESS.
Anybody have any ideas ?
69 Camaro RS/SS 350
Stock subframe (modified for tires and fully seam welded)
Hotckiss springs
Bilstien shocks
DSE upper arms
Speedtech lower arms
Factory quick ratio PS box
Guldstrand mod
P275/40ZR-17 tires
17 x 8 5.25 backspace wheels
2002 LS1 discs on 69 drum hubs
Factory disc spindles
2002 ls6 engine (lighter than stock smallblock)
That's all I can think of..........
The alignment is currently:
Right:
Camber -3/8 degree
Caster 4.625 degrees
Left:
Camber -1/2 degree
Caster 4.25 degree
Toe-in 1/8 total
I'm very confident on the alignment numbers as I've checked/done it three times now looking for something. The car drives great and very straight down the street. It have very nimble response to turns. Overall I like everything about it except for the shimmy.
I aligned it to basically "David's specs" on this page:
ALIGNMENT SPECS
David's Specs
Caster 5 deg positive, or as much positive as you can achieve up to 5 deg, can use .5 deg more positive on the passenger side to compensate for road crown.
Camber -.25 degee for mostly freeway driving, -.5 for street and occasional hard cornering, -1 deg for street, Autocross, and Open Track. you can use even more if tire temps show outside edge of tread is hotter than inside. If the inner edges of tread show excessive wear, use less neg camber. If you have not done the Guldstrand mod, you can add .25 to .5 deg to the above camber settings.
Toe in, 1/16" to 1/8".
Guldstrand recommends the following specs for a "touring car":
Caster: 3 - 4 degrees positive (+) PS = more, manual steer less.
Camber: 1/4 to 1/2 degrees negative (-)
With upper a-arm relocation Camber: 0 degrees
Toe-in: 0 - 1/8 inch
Guldstrand recomends for racing:
(assumes "Guldstrand mod" is done)
Caster 3 to 4 1/8 deg pos
Camber 1.5 to 2 deg neg
Toe in 1/8" out to 1/8" in (I would try 1/8" out first) more neg camber = more toe out.
Herb Adams recomends these alignment specs for the street:
1 degree positive caster ( I would use 3.5 degrees if PS)
1 degree negative camber.
1/16" toe in
Stock factory alignment specs:
Caster +1/2 deg
Camber + 1/4 to 1/2 deg
Toe-in 1/8" to 1/4" (Radial tires need less toe-in, use 1/8" or less for them)
IN ALL POWER STEERING EQUIPPED CASES, USE AS MUCH POSITIVE CASTER AS YOU CAN ACHIEVE UP TO 5.5 DEGREES POSITIVE MAXIMUM. MORE CASTER HELPS TILT THE WHEEL INWARD WHEN CORNERING, HELPS REDUCE BUMPSTEER BY LOWERING THE TIE ROD ENDS. MANUAL STEER CARS WILL REQUIRE MORE EFFORT AT HIGH CASTER SETTINGS, YOU MAY HAVE TO USE LESS.
Anybody have any ideas ?