i heard on one of the camaro podcasts that:

1) There are still over 70,000 first generations still registered.

2) only about 40,000 second generations(my favorite series) still registered. i guess this ties in with the 3kids with 4 women etc. post; Not me---i'm referring alot of to the people that drive 2 gens.

3) Not suprisingly, there are over 350,000 3rd gens still registered.

4) And, also not suprisingly, there are over 450,000 4th gens still registered.

i just thought i would pass this info along.

Any chance you can share a link so others here can listen in?

That would not include all the nice 1st and 2nds exported to Aussie/ NZ, and the wrecks exported and rebuilt here.

Has to be complete guestimates since nobody tracks those with any accuracy. Who contacts the DMV in 50 states, Canadian provinces, foreign countries etc. ?? :(

i know of one 69 that's going to be on the road hopefully by the end of the month. it's my cousin's car, and it's been apart for 3 years.
468 with a solid roller, M22, 12 bolt with 4.10 gears and a posi, and House of Color pearl Orange paint with HOK pearl white stripes under a few coats of clear, old school TT2 wheels, Hotchkis suspension all around..
might even be a fun car to drive...
his little brother has a 68 that he's lost interest in..

1) Yes, the link; It is the camaro z28 podcast i will have to check exactly which episode as i don't want you to have to listen to all of them.

2) They did site their source, which i don't remember off hand, but i think it is one of those famous research companies that is on the web, so i give it some credibility.

3) i dissaprove of the whole having 3 kids with 4 women thing and it does not suprise me that the 2nd generation has the least amount on the road because irresponsible behavior goes hand-in-hand with poor automotive maintenance. And 2nd generations tend to be driven by the most irresponsible as compared to the all other camaros followed next by the 3rd generation.
This is unfortunate as my favorite generation is the 2nd, followed by the 3rd.

Stop the 2nd gen bashing puff! The only difference in 1st gen and 2nd gen owners is 10 - 15 years typically and younger folks just don't have the wallet to get their projects on the road as fast. 3rd gens are just breaking out of the "1st car" classification and 4th gens are becoming the affordable 1st car choice rather fast.

A lot of 2nd gens end up at the dirt track.

1) Yes, the link; It is the camaro z28 podcast i will have to check exactly which episode as i don't want you to have to listen to all of them.

2) They did site their source, which i don't remember off hand, but i think it is one of those famous research companies that is on the web, so i give it some credibility.

3) i dissaprove of the whole having 3 kids with 4 women thing and it does not suprise me that the 2nd generation has the least amount on the road because irresponsible behavior goes hand-in-hand with poor automotive maintenance. And 2nd generations tend to be driven by the most irresponsible as compared to the all other camaros followed next by the 3rd generation.
This is unfortunate as my favorite generation is the 2nd, followed by the 3rd.

Put down what you are puff puffing.

How can it be possible that there are less 2nd gens out there? I would have to see where this info came from. They built 1st gens for ~3.5 years and second gens were built for 11 years. I would have to do the research to see what the ratio is bt, there has to be more 2nd gens out there.

1) OK, the link is:
http://www.camaroz28.com/

a)It is podcast #168 at about 6mins 30 seconds into it. i was a little off on the numbers----only 280,000 3rd gens and only 426,000 4th gens.

b)the source is Experian automotive, which after i did some investigating on the net, is apparently like carfax. So, the info should be fairly accurate.

c) i thought that my ipod has a way to track when you listened to a particular podcast; In this way i could remember which podcast it was----because i remember what i was doing when i heard it. Apparently this function on my ipod has somehow disappeared?
i had to sift thru several podcasts to find it again; No big deal as i listen at work.

2) i did not intend to bash 2nd gens----i said it was my favorite series. And then my second after that are the 3rd then 4th.

3) i'm a bit shocked too, but the reason why there are more 1st gens then seconds is you only have to look at the demographics; A large number(not all--i had one, but a large percentage) of 2nd gen owners tend to live in trailers, low rent appartments, have criminal records, lower income and yes as pointed out in the car+driver article tend to have promiscuity issues and or tend to have large numbers of children with large numbers of women. 3rd and 4th gens also tend to be driven, in sizable percentage, by the irresponsible, but since these cars are newer this means they are in better condition and thus are still on the road.

All you have to do is look and observe; i'm not making this up out of thin air.

1st gen owners tend to be affluent, more responsible, and concientious.

3) i'm a bit shocked too, but the reason why there are more 1st gens then seconds is you only have to look at the demographics; A large number(not all--i had one, but a large percentage) of 2nd gen owners tend to live in trailers, low rent appartments, have criminal records, lower income and yes as pointed out in the car+driver article tend to have promiscuity issues and or tend to have large numbers of children with large numbers of women. 3rd and 4th gens also tend to be driven, in sizable percentage, by the irresponsible, but since these cars are newer this means they are in better condition and thus are still on the road.

All you have to do is look and observe; i'm not making this up out of thin air.

1st gen owners tend to be affluent, more responsible, and concientious.

Please post something factual to support what I have bolded above! I believe you are pulling this out of your pot pipe...

A lot of 2nd gens end up at the dirt track.

I think we went through 10 of them.

Please post something factual to support what I have bolded above! I believe you are pulling this out of your pot pipe...


Well, for instance, the first camaro i bought---a 79, i had to buy from the owner's father? Why? Because he(the owner) was in prison. Car was not in the best of shape.

Again, all you have to do is look and observe.

Well, for instance, the first camaro i bought---a 79, i had to buy from the owner's father? Why? Because he(the owner) was in prison. Car was not in the best of shape.

Again, all you have to do is look and observe.

Do you know how many times 1st gen owners posted here that they found rolling papers, roach clips, condoms etc in their cars after they got them? At one time in my life I knew and associated with more people that did time than didn't. That doesn't mean I can generalize that the majority of folks are bad elements! Right now I know 9-10 2nd gen owners personally and not one lives in a trailer and only 2 are renters. None has 3 kids by 4 women that I know of!

You really have a twisted view, I guess you rank 2nd gen owners right there with Joe Dirt and Mopar owners...

Hummm interesting. I have owned 3 2nd gens, I have never lived in a trailer, never smoked dope or even a cigarette, never as much as drank a beer. I'm not poor (anymore) and have never been arrested. I only have 2 children both from with the same woman which I have been married to for 19 years this month. I guess after owning 3 70 Camaros I am lucky?

Yes lots of 2nd gens were/are used as dirt track cars but, I bet there have been more than a few 1st gens that lived the same life when they were cheap and plentiful. Not to mention how many 1st gens are drag cars. You see more 1st gen drag cars than you do 2nd gens (at least at every track I have ever been to).

At one time in my life I knew and associated with more people that did time than didn't...

What you? Hell no...:noway:

What you? Hell no...:noway:
I exaggerate but have known my share of criminal types as well as some that went astray for a while. I guess my point is I have never held myself to any one social class and based on my experiences you can't judge the entire 2nd gen world based on one experience.

I exaggerate but have known my share of criminal types as well as some that went astray for a while. I guess my point is I have never held myself to any one social class and based on my experiences you can't judge the entire 2nd gen world based on one experience.


True but there is a pecking order amongst the 4 generations (soon to be 5).

OK, to clarify, once again i did not state ALL 2nd gen owners were irresponsible. i said a large percentage were. This does not mean ALL. If you or anyone you know owns/drives a 2nd gen and does not fall into the loser category, then you, as i, have nothing to worry about.

i have owned a 2nd gen and will probably own another. i have contemplated on living in a mobile home, but decided to rent a house and before that an appartment. i have known a doctor that had/has a 76 restored camaro. i am merely stating that a large percentage, possibly in the majority, of 2nd gen owners are irresponsible and have the car in a present state of questionable repair.

2) i never said anything about drug use or condoms. There is nothing wrong with casual drug use and/or casual sex if practiced responsibly. It's where the large number of 2nd gen owner/drivers go wrong is when the above are practiced to the point of irresponsibility; Getting caught with a large amount, getting caught in the presence of a minor, getting caught within 1000 ft of school grounds etc. Getting addicted to it. Having unwanted children multiple times with multiple partners.

There is nothing wrong with living in a trailer in and of itself. (some of them are actually quite nice on the inside.) It's when all the loser elements (some listed above) come together is when it's a problem and typical of many, many 2nd gen owner/driver's predicaments.


Maybe it's different on the west coast/california, but here in the N.E., my observations usually ring true.

Hmm?? "There is nothing wrong with casual drug use"

Yes there is, its ILLEGAL

They made Camaros after 69? Learn something new everyday. Who'd have thunk it?

There is nothing wrong with casual drug use .


I'm stunned.

i'm not making this up out of thin air.

1st gen owners tend to be affluent, more responsible, and concientious.

I like this statistic :D except I am still waiting for the affluent part to happen :yes:

This thread almost has me speechless. (almost)....So I guess I don't have anything to add other than, I was here. Carry on.

Just for comparative purposes...I tried to gestimate just how many first gen Stangs were still on the road, but only could come up with how many were sold in the first year, which was an astounding 680,069!...which gives ya a clue of how many of these Fords are still licenced today. Prob way more than the Cams, eh?

capt

They made Camaros after 69? Learn something new everyday. Who'd have thunk it?
When did this happen? No way!

The problem with your "stats"/way of thinking is that you are not taking everything into account. This is usually the "problem" with stats.

I doubt being irresponsible or having kids by different women has anything to do with owning a 2nd gen Camaro. What you are not taking into account is that for a very long time 2nd gen Camaros were very cheap and plentiful so they were more accesible to people with lower income. I bey if you ran your "stats" on older pick up trucks the out come would be the same. It hs nothing to do with the car/vehicle, this is what makes this entire thread humurous. I bet the same would also hold true for 1st gen Camaros if you were to have run the stats 25 years ago when these cars were merely cheap transportation and only desired by young hot rodders. You can insert any make/model/brand of car you want doesn't matter, the results are the same if the car is cheap and plentiful, just the mere amount od 2nd gens that were made and the years they spanned means the odd are some fell into owners that fit your category. What do you think the demographic looks like for 3rd gen owners?

well those are some of the most myopic thoughts Ive ever heard. then you try to save yourself by saying "not all 2nd gen owners"(here ill save you from looking it up)short: lacking foresight or scope; "a short view of the problem"; "shortsighted policies"; "shortsighted critics derided the plan"; "myopic thinking". believe me i know exactly what your thinking was and I'm pretty sure I know what kind of person YOU are. a suggestion, next time you want to make a broad statement like the one you made, take a minute and think about how to back that statement up with fact . just don't say something to try to be clever or intelligent because its not working for you so far"puff puff" oh BTW i posted a link to this thread over at the second gen web site so maybe the trailer trash, mullet wearin, criminal, promiscuous crowd can chime in on your nonsense

Puff Puff sounds like he has been drinking the cool aid. :clonk:

puf puf I invite you to came over to Nastyz28.com to shear your view.The Scallywags and greasebags who own 2 gens look forward to your view. now you may expect this shrine to be littered with the equivalent of cyber beer cans tossed onto a finely manicured lawn tossed out the window by a mullet wearing dirtbag of a tri-toned rust bucket while on thier way back to the trailer park? but I think you will be a little disapointed.
A little photo of my trailer park transport
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s201/bryankiwi/DSCF3414.jpg

Bryan, nice Camaro, I love your plate, could not be better for this subject.

Those are some of the most MORONIC statements I have ever heard!!!

what that survey failed to mentioned is that of all the first gens left, half have now been turned into Z-28s. he he

what that survey failed to mentioned is that of all the first gens left, half have now been turned into Z-28s. he he

ROTFL :hurray: That is so true

You really have a twisted view, I guess you rank 2nd gen owners right there with Joe Dirt and Mopar owners...


That Mopar comment is just plain rude. Great cars too, Im a big fan of them aside from the 79 Camaro I own.

the pot seems to be calling the kettle black.

Anyway. Those statements you're making puff puff is ignorant. Speechless, truly. I am a soldier in the US Army that is currently getting my 2nd gen restored. You can take 1 statistic off your "chart" about how many people who own 2nd gens are rednecks/criminals/sex fiends/etc

What's the difference between 1st gens and 2nd. Were all a little nuts! It's just 1st gen guys like to pay more..

That Mopar comment is just plain rude. Great cars too, Im a big fan of them aside from the 79 Camaro I own.

the pot seems to be calling the kettle black.

Sorry you didn't get the intent of the comment! Everything our friend puff is saying about 2nd gens sounds like the stereo type the movie Joe Dirt puts on dodge owners (I got me a hemi!). I don't agree with that and I don't agree with what puff has said about 2nd gen owners!

I have had about seven 2nd gens, I like them, I have 2 right now.
No trailer, no prison.
I did have Reebok's and a AC/DC shirt back in the day Lol.

puf puf I invite you to came over to Nastyz28.com to shear your view.The Scallywags and greasebags who own 2 gens look forward to your view. now you may expect this shrine to be littered with the equivalent of cyber beer cans tossed onto a finely manicured lawn tossed out the window by a mullet wearing dirtbag of a tri-toned rust bucket while on thier way back to the trailer park? but I think you will be a little disapointed.
A little photo of my trailer park transport

Hey Brian.. lookin' good:thumbsup:

my trailerpark transport.. but we live in tents.. lol:D
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r250/k5jmp/junkbin/my%20cars/IMG_0470.jpg

Puff - Do you just make this stuff up as you go? With each post you get more insulting to everyone. If you can't voice your opinions without insulting others or putting them down don't bother posting!

Puff - Do you just make this stuff up as you go? With each post you get more insulting to everyone. If you can't voice your opinions without insulting others or putting them down don't bother posting!

Na I say let him for it ....its funny :yes: in a sad sort of way next thing you know he will want to know if he can put tube doors on a Camaro:sad:. for some people they only learn from there mistakes .

Hmm?? "There is nothing wrong with casual drug use"

Yes there is, its ILLEGAL

I guess that all depends on where you live and what kind of drug you are refering to.
Did any one see the show "Marijuana inc. Inside America's pot industries" on CNBC?
There are whole communities in California totally dependant on the pot they grow and sell there.

Do you know how many times 1st gen owners posted here that they found rolling papers, roach clips, condoms etc in their cars after they got them? At one time in my life I knew and associated with more people that did time than didn't. That doesn't mean I can generalize that the majority of folks are bad elements! Right now I know 9-10 2nd gen owners personally and not one lives in a trailer and only 2 are renters. None has 3 kids by 4 women that I know of!

You really have a twisted view, I guess you rank 2nd gen owners right there with Joe Dirt and Mopar owners...

Watch it bud, my family has many Mopars and they have served us well.

I guess that all depends on where you live and what kind of drug you are refering to.
Did any one see the show "Marijuana inc. Inside America's pot industries" on CNBC?
There are whole communities in California totally dependant on the pot they grow and sell there.

So it is legal there?

So it is legal there?

Yes it is, as far as the state law is concerned, they interviewed the head of the DEA and he said they voted to have it this way and they "meaning the DEA" will not go after these small fish.
Basicly the whole economy in i believe Humbolt county is totally dependant on the revenue created by the pot industry.

Here's a link ...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28354324/wid/18298287/

So it is legal there?

Yes it is, as far as the state law is concerned, they interviewed the head of the DEA and he said they voted to have it this way and they "meaning the DEA" will not go after these small fish.
Basicly the whole economy in i believe Humbolt county is totally dependant on the revenue created by the pot industry.

Here's a link ...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28354324/wid/18298287/


Actually it's not. Yes the DEA is not chasing these people because it ends up costing the tax payer thousands of dollars to charge and convict someone for smoking pot. Police departments would rather spend the limited funds they have on nabbing the big time dealers.

Canadian law actually addressed that very problem. They said, instead of spending thousands of tax payer dollars on convicting pot smokers (who end up either getting a slap on the wrist or a weekend in jail), why no de-criminalize it and make it a misdomeaner, the same way speeding is. You get caught with smoking pot, you get a $200.00 ticket. The state makes money on the charge instead of costing the tax payer a fortune. I believe pot consumption is no more now then it was 30 years ago.

So it is legal there?

Not really... It's against federal law to grow. State law allows small amounts for medical use. Local or County laws may vary and may allow some growing. State trumps local and county, federal trumps state! Bottom line is it's not legal in the USA just because Mendocino or Humbolt county says it is!

Here's a few clips from the article Joe linked to...

Morrison walks a fine line. He grows as much marijuana as he can without triggering a legal crackdown. He can do that because authorities here are overwhelmed by the sheer number of growers. They’re also hampered by conflicting state, federal and county laws governing marijuana.

While California state law permits residents to grow a small number of pot plants, federal law still bans pot growing.

There has been a lot of TV shows lately on this subject, some glorify it, the one I just watched showed ties between the Mexican drug cartel and the growing going on in the northern part of the state. It seems because of border crack downs the cartel has been taking mexican familys hostage and forcing male family members to cross the border and come up here and work their fields against their will to so save their familys lives.

Ya some of our states economy is based on growing pot but it's not a safe environment to be in and it's not really legal.

Here's more...

http://humboldtherald.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/massive-dea-raids-planned-for-humboldt/


http://digg.com/d1ku05

OK, to clarify, once again i did not state ALL 2nd gen owners were irresponsible. i said a large percentage were. This does not mean ALL. If you or anyone you know owns/drives a 2nd gen and does not fall into the loser category, then you, as i, have nothing to worry about.

i have owned a 2nd gen and will probably own another. i have contemplated on living in a mobile home, but decided to rent a house and before that an appartment.

So let me clear this up.

#1. You have considered living in a trailer home.
#2. You have owned a few 2nd gens.
#3. You have a screen name of "puff puff".

Hmmm......sounds to me like you are judging people based off YOUR
own personal life and trying to make yourself feel better.

It's where the large number of 2nd gen owner/drivers go wrong is when the above are practiced to the point of irresponsibility; Getting caught with a large amount, getting caught in the presence of a minor, getting caught within 1000 ft of school grounds etc. Getting addicted to it. Having unwanted children multiple times with multiple partners.LMFAO......you have no clue do you??
Dude, you're so far out in the doo doo pond you've created for yourself
here that you're TRYING SO HARD to justify it and you're sinking faster
then a bowl of meatballs at a weight watchers quitters meeting.

Where did you even come up with this statistic ??? Did you hit the hooka
too many times today and fried that last common sense thought train you once had??


Maybe it's different on the west coast/california, but here in the N.E., my observations usually ring true.Being that you fit the category you're trying to place yourself ABOVE.
I'd say you've just described yourself bub. :thumbsup: Sounds to me like you
"puff puff'd" too much and typed before you thought it through.


All you have to do is look and observe; i'm not making this up out of thin air.

1st gen owners tend to be affluent, more responsible, and concientious.

1st gen owners are more affluent , responsible, and whatever the hell you were TRYING to spell.
I'm guessing you don't own a 1st gen or you'd know how to spell properly.

First gens cost more. That's about all there is to it.

This is one of the funniest threads I've ever seen...lol lol

puff puff...LMAO

OK, i just want to say that Marilyn Chambers, who you may or may not know unfortunately died monday, also last lived in a trailer.

http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=403707&GT1=28101


So, this again proves that not everyone who lives in a trailer stinks.

Now, i don't want to get into a discussion/tangent on Marilyn Chambers or trailers (this thread has really gone off in several different directions!), but you are free to.

i just wanted to point out how many camaros, by series, are still registered. i thought that would be interesting. That is all. My theories as to why the disparities between the generations, i know to be true. If others choose to take the information unheeded, so be it.

So let me clear this up.

#1. You have considered living in a trailer home.
#2. You have owned a few 2nd gens.
#3. You have a screen name of "puff puff".

Hmmm......sounds to me like you are judging people based off YOUR
own personal life and trying to make yourself feel better.

LMFAO......you have no clue do you??
Dude, you're so far out in the doo doo pond you've created for yourself
here that you're TRYING SO HARD to justify it and you're sinking faster
then a bowl of meatballs at a weight watchers quitters meeting.

Where did you even come up with this statistic ??? Did you hit the hooka
too many times today and fried that last common sense thought train you once had??

Being that you fit the category you're trying to place yourself ABOVE.
I'd say you've just described yourself bub. :thumbsup: Sounds to me like you
"puff puff'd" too much and typed before you thought it through.



1st gen owners are more affluent , responsible, and whatever the hell you were TRYING to spell.
I'm guessing you don't own a 1st gen or you'd know how to spell properly.

First gens cost more. That's about all there is to it.


Wow!!!
1st post and he's already..............:stirpot::yes:.:popcorn:.

David F.

My theories as to why the disparities between the generations, i know to be true. .

You're full of.....