I am considering purchasing this 1967 Rally Sport. The owners description is as follow's:

"This is a 1967 Camaro RS Coupe with ALL MATCHING #S motor, and trans. This is a real RS and not a clone or a tribute. The body is straight and solid and orignal no rust floors. The car has power steering-powerglide trans, and vintage air that comes through the orignal vents. The interior is excellant and it runs, drives and shifts like it should. The paint is shiney and slick, has a couple of small chips from driving but nothing that takes away from the car."

When I asked the owner about the transmission and engine he did not know how many miles they had on them. Or any rebiuld details. We called the previous owner who was a friend of his and he said he had the car restored by his mechanic a "few years" ago. However, he did not know much about the details of the restoration, he was not sure what was done to the engine and tranny. I was told that new brake lines, fron disc brakes had been installed. Other than that all I have to go on is what I saw. Looks like the front end was also rebiult and front and back shocks look new.

The car drives great, looks great, sounds great.

I put $500 down on an agreement that my Mechanic can inspect the vehicle Tuesday ( 4/21/09 ). If the inspection goes well I will purchase the car for 24,000. I have the VIN# and the owner has the Title.

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looks like a nice car... Is the mono leaf rear correct for this car??

Thats a lot of money IMO.

oily on bottom and those spring helpers have to go. front of intake is leaking too. lots of undercoating there too, hope it is not to hide anything.
it does seem a little high on the price.

I love the looks of this car...although in today's market, I agree that 24K sounds real high end..owner has no details on the engine/trans history, 2 speed powerglide hurts the value, non-original cowl hood, undercarriage not detailed, underside of engine/oil pan and front suspension dirty...this car might not have been real well maintained over the years. Maybe high teens?

PS did you get a good look at the trim tag & verify?

All of the above. That's high. POP? Origional color? Posi? Coil spring spacers NG, so it needs springs, and more money. Where's the cowl to hood seal? I'd like to see correct brake components. Origional shtmetal is a plus but are there pics showing the resto process and what's underneath the paint? Headlights work? No way to critique the paint in a pic. For that price you should not have to detail the undercarriage--it needs it. And a deluxe interior would be nice. It's only a 210 RS that needs more time and money...and for 24K. Take away the RS and it's a 210 Jane with aftermarket air.

I really hate posting this as you obviously have pretty much made up your mind.....but you did say you wanted honest feedback. So, FWIW...It looks like a nice car but i think 24k is to much money in todays market. As someone mentioned spring helpers in the front and it also has air shocks in the back...which begs the question are those holding up a sagging rear end as well. I think 18-20k is more accurate...again..just my opinion.

So it seems the consensus is that the price is to high. Sounds like this car may have had a "cosmetic" restoration done and some nice paint to cover things up. I did put $500 down to have a mechanic check it out but I think you guys have told me much of what the mechanic is going to. I am considering not going through with the deal after reading this feedback. The $500 down was to deliver the car the the mechanic but that's not until this week so I may just cancel the whole thing.

looks like a nice car... Is the mono leaf rear correct for this car??

Yes the mono leaf rear is correct for 1967 RS.

oily on bottom and those spring helpers have to go. front of intake is leaking too. lots of undercoating there too, hope it is not to hide anything.
it does seem a little high on the price.

I am also concerned that the undercoating was used to cover up something. I did run a magnet around the car and there is no bondo and I only saw very minor superficial rust in the truck pan.

looks like a nice driver 67rs.maybe a little high on price,but orginal drive train, and metal.if you want a 67rs i would capare with prices on ebay and autotrader mag.and have my mech look it over.then buy it or make a counter offer.it still looks like a nice 67 to me. do the hideaway doors open and shut? good luck.

It sounds like its an all metal car from what you describe. My opinion (again)... if it were me i would have my mechanic look it over. Can he get it on a lift too? Check out the underside as well. Take what info you have and go back to the seller and tell him you would do like the car but after looking it over again you arent comfortable with 24k. Spring helpers, air shocks, oil leaks, whatever you come up with.... Maybe you could still come to an agreement on a lower price that your both happy with. All may not be lost.... Good luck.

I would definately confirm that it's matching numbers, since it seems noone knows what was done in the "restoration".

Jeff

Pending inspection, it may be a nice car if he has some flexibility in the price.

24K is high, probably more like 17 - 20K if the numbers match in today's market. The leaks bother me. Expect to go thru the engine and trans, new seals, etc. Check the cowl tag and run the numbers http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml .

I don't know why you guys are saying numbers matching. The car will not have a partial vin stamped on the engine because in 67 only the 350 and big blocks had partial vins stamped. So the only other way is with a pop to prove the numbers on the pop match them on the motor. I agree completely that 24k is high. I would on that car put a value of 15-20k. The body looks to have been restored, but the other components appear to have been either kept original (which is a great thing!) or done up such that it is driveable (which is perfectly acceptable as well). Looks like a nice car...just overpriced.

Agree with all the above. Even in a good market 24k is too high with all the leaks that I see on the car. Also if it is a true RS i am surprised to see standard interior. I think it is worth less than 20k

Is that a big block heater core or something to do with the vintage air?

Agree with all the above. Even in a good market 24k is too high with all the leaks that I see on the car. Also if it is a true RS i am surprised to see standard interior. I think it is worth less than 20k

My 67RS is a standard interior. Wish it wasnt but it is... Is there a correlation between RS and deluxe interiors? If people opted for the RS package were they in turn more likely to opt for the deluxe int as well? Very well could be just never really thought about it.

My 67RS is a standard interior. Wish it wasnt but it is... Is there a correlation between RS and deluxe interiors? If people opted for the RS package were they in turn more likely to opt for the deluxe int as well? Very well could be just never really thought about it.

I agree Craig. Almost 80% of the RS cars seem to have a deluxe interior. Very interesting correlation.

On the car, I would say it's about 5K too high in today's market.

I've had three 67 RS cars, and all had standard interior. I wish they'd had deluxe too! :)
One was a 327/275 L30/M20, 12 bolt. No gauges, standard black interior. Was a blast to drive.

I don't know why you guys are saying numbers matching. The car will not have a partial vin stamped on the engine because in 67 only the 350 and big blocks had partial vins stamped. So the only other way is with a pop to prove the numbers on the pop match them on the motor. I agree completely that 24k is high. I would on that car put a value of 15-20k. The body looks to have been restored, but the other components appear to have been either kept original (which is a great thing!) or done up such that it is driveable (which is perfectly acceptable as well). Looks like a nice car...just overpriced.

First time I have ever heard that. I guess there are no #'s matching 302's ?

The car will not have a partial vin stamped on the engine because in 67 only the 350 and big blocks had partial vins stamped.

I thought all 1967 Camaro's had engine code/partial vin stamps????

sorry, forgot about the 302 (z28). From what I understand, only the high hp motors recieved the partial vin stamping as they were thought to be of higher value and a partial vin would help with theft. In 1968, by law all partial vins were stamped on motors.

From Camaros.org

Partial VINs were also stamped on most engines and transmissions from 1967 on. Not all engines and transmissions in 1967 were stamped with partial VINs. Details and examples are shown in the Drivetrain Decoding section. However, be aware that the partial VINs can be "restamped" on engines and transmissions by machining off the original stamp (or finding one that is unstamped) and then stamping the desired VIN.

Drivetrain Partial VIN's
The partial VIN, e.g. 19N512345, was stamped by the vehicle assembly plant on the engine and on the transmission on the engine dress line.
Engines
For most 67-69 Camaros, the partial VIN was stamped on the engine pad near the engine assembly code. In 1967, generally only the Z28 and SS engines had the partial VIN's stamped. In 1967, this code consists of the sixth through the thirteen characters of the full VIN, e.g. 7N123456. For 1968 and on, the drivetrain partial VIN's became a federal requirement. In 1968 and 1969, the code was changed to add the first digit of the full VIN, e.g. 19N512345, per the federal law.

During the mid-1969 model year, the partial VIN for V8 engines was stamped near the oil filter, due to the '69 model year change in location of the alternator to the passenger side (covering the engine stamp pad). The block in this area is raw unmachined casting which makes this stamp difficult to see. The Norwood plant moved the VIN to the oil filter in the December 68 timeframe. Los Angeles was not as consistent and the VIN location varied during the year.

Transmissions
The transmission was also stamped with a partial VIN. Like the engines, generally only the 67 SS (and even then not all automatics) and Z28 transmissions had the partial VIN stamped on them. All 68-69 transmissions should have the partial VIN on them. The partial VIN location varied depending on transmission type and the vehicle assembly plant. Several examples are shown below.

Powerglides and TH350's are usually VIN-stamped at the transmission mounting flange (near the engine block casting number) on Norwood-produced cars, and Los Angeles cars are usually VIN-stamped on a pad on the passenger side of the transmission. But either location could be used by either plant.

Muncie 4-speed transmissions had the VIN stamped next to the transmission code or on top of the transmission. Some Muncies have been observed stamped in both locations, or with multiple stamps in either location.