Building a 69 Camaro and want to know what is the best front subframe and suspension to install? also want to do the rear. Building a resto mod type car. thanks for any help!

Art Morrison (fabbed look) or Detroit Speed (more stock look)

Best two by a country mile.

I have an Art Morrison front clip with coilovers.

Plenty to choose from though.

Art Morrison (fabbed look) or Detroit Speed (more stock look)

Best two by a country mile.

I have an Art Morrison front clip with coilovers.

Plenty to choose from though.

Ditto what he said. Wait, Chris, did you buy that from me? LOL!

We sell 4 brands of subframe and install them in our shop on a regular basis. DSE and AM are at the top of the heep.

We can save you money on any of them. give me a call, we can talk about your project and determine what is best for you.

I am not expert but I have read tons about the subject. From all the reading the above does seem to be the best but........You really need to decide on what your needs and wants are. For pure function you can do alot with the stock subframe and be in way under the cost of the others, this will also depend on how much of the work you can do yourself.

The stock sub will do a great job but it will never have that look you can get from the Art Morrison frame. The aftermarket frames will aloow bigger tire and wheel combinations also, this is one place the stocker can limit your vision for the project.

Frank is the guy to call....

Wait, Chris, did you buy that from me? LOL!

Frank, most certainly did amongst so many other things...which reminds me I need to call you re swapping my Ididt column. Seems I need a collapsable one (which they make) in order to pass rego...pissed I only found this out now...expect a call !!

Frank is the right guy to hook up up

I agree with Joe, a lot can be done with a stock sub for half the money or less and will suit most peoples needs. Depending on the level of car your building, your car may "need" a subframe just based on everything else you doing to maintain the theme.

Say for example our planning a 750HP blown LS, a 4 link, mini tub, 14" (6) piston brakes, 3 piece wheels, you car needs a subframe to maintain the all out theme.

Or lets say your going to road race this car to the fullest extent. not a casual track day, I mean push it to its limits, your car needs a subframe.

But if you building a carb 400HP small block, non mini tub, leaf spring, C5 brake, 17" TTs wheel project. This makes for a very nice Pro Touring car. There certainly is nothing stopping you from doing a subframe, but you certainly do not "need" a subframe to keep the "theme"

Part of our Project Planning is making sure one does not over spend in one area and short the car and under spend in another. Making sure one does not throw money away, or short one area and limit another important area. Kind of a balanced budget and build.

DSE by a country mile. I'm not an expert but I did say at a holiday inn last night. :D Seriously, I own a DSE frame and have put over 2000 miles on it and I'm starting to race with it. DSE quality and support is second to none. My car rides and drives so damn nice. Not to mention it's made the same way brand new GM truck frames are made. Frank is the man to call.

I think it's all a matter of taste and how much tinkering you're willing to do.

At the recent track outing by a bunch of cars (mostly first generation Camaros) from the Pro-touring site, http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54027&page=10 there were no aftermarket frames represented, but at least 2 very fast cars - Carl Casanova's '68 with 285-17's at all four corners on a stock subframe with a leaf spring rear and a supercharged LS1 putting out 500 RWHP, and James' One Lap Camaro with a stock subframe modified with the ATS coilover brackets, a Lateral Dynamics 3 link rear, a Katech built LS7 and a 46 page build thread on Lateral-G.net.

Both of these cars are very high end, multiple magazine featured cars with stock front subframes.

The great thing about building a pro-touring car is that it doesn't matter how you get there or how much you spend, the question is does it work. Judged that way, a stock sub is just as appropriate for any pro-touring car as any other front end solution.

That said, both the DSE and AME subframes have excellent reputations. The DSE is hydroformed and uses their own control arms; the AME is fabricated steel and uses C5/C6 control arms. Other than that, they are pretty much the same in terms of ease of installation and performance.

Frank,

What would you charge to make a 2nd Gen's subframe fit my '67 car??

pdq67

:thumbsup:Thanks for the Info !!
I spoke to Frank at prodigy today and got some great ideas.

I am just starting this project so i WILL NEED ALOT OF HELP.:beers:

Frank,

What would you charge to make a 2nd Gen's subframe fit my '67 car??

pdq67

Never tried that one?

:thumbsup:Thanks for the Info !!
I spoke to Frank at prodigy today and got some great ideas.

I am just starting this project so i WILL NEED ALOT OF HELP.:beers:

Great talking with you. Sounds like a cool project, your going to enjoy it.

Call me when you need me.

Any one use the Chris Alston front subframe?