: HP and track time predictions for my BBC 69
69_OMEN_CAMARO Jun 7th, 09, 06:12 PM hey guys im just curious how much wheel hp, andwhat kinda track times should i expect for my current set up, its a temp set up but im interested in what you guys think since some of you may know first hand, i did the compcams camquest thing it said about 430hp/~500tq to the crank, the builder of my long block did a desktop dyno with the engine analyzer plus v3.0 program and came up with 477hp/520tq to the crank but thats with optimal conditions and 110 octane. now that i got all of the mechanical parts of the car set in place im wondering how im looking especially since i know i wont make it to the track anytime soon so help me out guys, ill try to give you as much info as i can!:hurray::beers:
-its a gen IV 454 4 bolt mains with 427 guts
-.030 over so, 433cu. in.
-childs and albert zero-gap piston rings
-eagle crank
-speed-pro race coated bearings
-probe I-beam rods
-keith black forged pistons
-9.67:1 CR
-781 cast iron heads 2.19in 1.78ex 118cc 280 runners
-cam is a CompCams Magnum™ Mechanical Flat Tappet, solid lifters, 1.7 rockers, 270s .530/.530, duration at .050" 224/224, intake centerline 106, lobe center angle 110, cam 4* advanced
-milodon 7qt oil pan
-edlebrock air gap intake
-holley 750cfm DP mech secondaries
holley mech fuel pump 110gph
-MSD dizzy ignition, 6AL, 8.5 wires, coil
-hooker comps 2" primaries/ 3.5" collector
-3" exhuast to x-pipe, the magnaflows the dump b4 axle
- entropy bbc aluminum radiator wit dual fans
- th475 (straight cut gears) full manual valve body, upgraded front pump
- 2400 custom torque converter
-3"custom steel 1350 drive shaft
- FAB 9 inch rear end, 35 spline axles, detroit locker, 3.73's
- front 15x5 rallys with cheap skinnys, out back 15x8 rallys with 275/50/15 mickey t DR's had them powder coated satin black
-front suspension is just new stock height springs, and CE adjustable drag shocks (yea i heard the suck haha)
-in the back i have caltracs, split-mono leafs, rancho shocks, and soon to b welded in hotchkis subframe connectors
-16 gal. fuel cell
- battery relocation
-interrior is pretty much all gone for now other than 2 front seats
- unisteer manual rack and pinion steering
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hirpms Jun 7th, 09, 06:35 PM I think you may be running 330-350hp to the rear wheels. Probably high 11s to low 12s.
69_OMEN_CAMARO Jun 7th, 09, 06:59 PM cool cool, i heard similar things, come on guys i want to hear more! haha :beers:
fatblock Jun 7th, 09, 07:48 PM I think you may be running 330-350hp to the rear wheels. Probably high 11s to low 12s.
I agree^.Low compression 433 utilizing high velocity oval port heads and a suited cam profile like you have should get you there.My only question is the custom 2400 stall converter.Hopefully it flashes to at least 3k.I ran a 2400 behind a 500hp 427 and it was a turd out of the hole.Hughes hooked me up with a street/strip 3500 and I never looked back.
69_OMEN_CAMARO Jun 7th, 09, 08:21 PM thanx im liking what im hearing so far, keep it coming! haha
Steve69SS396 Jun 7th, 09, 09:44 PM Should go low 12's. I might be going with some friends this Friday night. Let me know if you're going. :beers:
69_OMEN_CAMARO Jun 7th, 09, 09:55 PM Should go low 12's. I might be going with some friends this Friday night. Let me know if you're going. :beers:
i wish i could go anytime soon, still need to slap in the rear firewall/bulkhead, and my battery is in the trunk and is bolted thru just the sheetmetal but i added 3/8 strips of metal across all the bolts underneath, its on there really good, do you think they will give me crap at tech? or does it really need to be to a frame member? im talking bout sac raceway:beers:
Steve69SS396 Jun 7th, 09, 10:09 PM i wish i could go anytime soon, still need to slap in the rear firewall/bulkhead, and my battery is in the trunk and is bolted thru just the sheetmetal but i added 3/8 strips of metal across all the bolts underneath, its on there really good, do you think they will give me crap at tech? or does it really need to be to a frame member? im talking bout sac raceway:beers:
You should be fine. My battery hold down goes through sheet metal and uses large washers to spread the load.
69_OMEN_CAMARO Jun 7th, 09, 10:22 PM You should be fine. My battery hold down goes through sheet metal and uses large washers to spread the load.
good good, i just dont wanna drive al the way down there then get turned down over sumthing like that, also wanna set an appointment with dominic for a test n tune when i go, as it is, i just messed witht he carb enough to drive around good and make good vacuum, when i stomp on it it chokes up...:sad:
69_OMEN_CAMARO Jun 8th, 09, 06:23 PM more more more more!
69_OMEN_CAMARO Aug 2nd, 09, 03:13 AM well u guys are pretty good on the predictions, it was my first time at the track and everything went right! feeling it hook was great! here is the run down on my best time slip, was the last run too
reaction: .305
60' : 1.716
et: 12.129
mph: 114.3
weight @ ~3300lbs w/o me in it, im at 250lbs haha
vids tomarrow...
Skeeter55 Aug 2nd, 09, 08:12 AM Awesome everything went ok it sounds like it and only gets better :thumbsup:...
Steve69SS396 Aug 2nd, 09, 09:33 AM Those are great times! Where's the video? :beers:
69_OMEN_CAMARO Aug 2nd, 09, 11:13 AM i got 1 vid so far, , therewere like 4 cameras (1 HD) but he didnt get my 12.1 run in hd, later ill post up sum crappy vids of it though, this was 1 of my 12.4 runs, i hit 12.4 3 times then the last 2 runs i lunch at higher rpms and went 12.1's
http://www.racevids.net/video/108/HSS-69-BBC-Camaro
69_OMEN_CAMARO Aug 2nd, 09, 11:32 AM sum pics of raceday as well, damn caltracs hit the top of the ramp, had to each ramp to get it level and clear them haha fun times though, oh yea and i should a sponsership from amorall cuz those wipes work great on the WHOLE car inside and out hahaah
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AlexFolino Aug 2nd, 09, 01:30 PM Off topic but thats one cool looking 69!
69_OMEN_CAMARO Aug 2nd, 09, 06:14 PM thanx, here is all 5 runs
YouTube - HSS 1969 BBC CAMARO FIRST DAY AT TRACK
Skeeter55 Aug 2nd, 09, 06:49 PM Damian,
Looks good nice passes car went nice and straight but it looks like you were holding back on rpm... What rpm did you launch, shift and threw the traps...
Front end looks to stiff but so is mine for the street beast.
69_OMEN_CAMARO Aug 2nd, 09, 07:52 PM yea my first few passes i was going off idle and then about at 1k, the 12.1 run i went close to 2k and it was moving, im shifting at ~5800 (limiter at 6k) and threw the traps im like at 5800 in 3rd, the front is actually pretty loose, disconnected the front sway bar, loosen the end links and the arms, got CE front drag shocks at 90/10, hard to tell front the vids but in the car i feel the front end lift,and i hooked everytime, if i woulda got 1 more shot i woulda went off idle and flash the converter, cant wait for next time when i get tuned at the track:beers:
Skeeter55 Aug 2nd, 09, 08:06 PM yea my first few passes i was going off idle and then about at 1k, the 12.1 run i went close to 2k and it was moving, im shifting at ~5800 (limiter at 6k) and threw the traps im like at 5800 in 3rd, the front is actually pretty loose, disconnected the front sway bar, loosen the end links and the arms, got CE front drag shocks at 90/10, hard to tell front the vids but in the car i feel the front end lift,and i hooked everytime, if i woulda got 1 more shot i would went off idle and flash the converter, cant wait for next time when i get tuned at the track:beers: Thats awesome and that means will see some 11's next time:yes:. Seams like that 427 has alot more rpm's in her, but i understand about not letting it all hang out on the first day. I my self haven't been to the track and may not for a long time, but ive played with some friends and there low 11's. Ill just say that even with a 4-speed it kicks but especially when you have to speed shift to hang with the big boys. My buddy's ask me if i even let up on the gas when i shift and i said NO:D. Poor 4-speed only has a few more hard hits to go before i have to slap in a TKO600 but im broke and it will have to wait...
rad454 Aug 2nd, 09, 08:17 PM Damian,
Cool video, thanks for sharing!! Just a matter of time before your into the 11's.
RSCopo Aug 3rd, 09, 03:45 PM Very cool, Damian! What was the air like that night? If it was'nt good, you might run in the 11's in good air without any changes. Great job!
69_OMEN_CAMARO Aug 3rd, 09, 07:24 PM yea thanx i also think 11's is possible too, i wanted to do a even harder launch but ran out of time, and i still need to get my carb tuned by sum1 who is highly reccommed by all around here, steve knows who im talking about...
69_OMEN_CAMARO Feb 21st, 10, 02:05 PM welli went to a test and tune yesterday at sac raceway, to get tuned by 1 of the best in the buisness, first thing he did was rip off my choke, took off air cleaner, took out limiter. had problems with my tanny (slipping from 1st to 2nd then eventually to third) for about an hour n a half til we figured it out, dipstick showed full, but we added another quart of tranny fluid and that was it! so it left us an hour of tunning,, they changed timing/jets/springs/weights and i finally broke into the 11s! the tuner was pissed he wanted waaaaay more time, we were just starting to build HP
best timeslip of the night was:
11.973 @116.78
1.7 60'
only things i did different from the last time in august when i did a 12.1 @ 114 were: 28x9 slicks, new torque converter, QA1 stocker stars in front, bolt in driveshaft loop.
HD vids will b up soon, my comp cant accept this camera for sum reason, here are a couple pics of the wheels/tires. im not a fan of chrome/ polished looks sooo...i got the welds black anondized! came out great! the lugs and washers were powdercoated just for the hell of it, of course the lugs/washers r ruined now (which i expected) but it was good enough for sum cool pics hahah
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DOUG G Feb 21st, 10, 02:16 PM At that MPH you are leaving ET at the line.... get those 60's down and you're into the 11's :beers:
69_OMEN_CAMARO Feb 21st, 10, 02:22 PM yea i was expecting ALOT better 60's wit these tires but were wre just trying to get it running good first, but yea i should moved the caltracs back to the top hole, and tweek a few things. man the wrinkle wall feeling is weird to get used to haha thanx man
R/T Feb 21st, 10, 03:06 PM 4.10 gears would help the 60fts.
1969 RS/SS DROPTOP Feb 21st, 10, 03:08 PM I like the anodized wheels..
Steve69SS396 Feb 21st, 10, 03:33 PM That's great Damian! Keep working on it and it should go mid 11's. :beers:
1969 RS/SS DROPTOP Feb 21st, 10, 03:51 PM I noticed in the video's that you like to roll into both lights, pre-stage/stage sometimes even before the other driver is even pre-staged. Try to be a little more patient and just pre-stage then let the other guy/gal pre-stage and even stage last if you have to. Seems to not load the motor up as much with fuel and may leave better/cleaner. If you were leaving against a trans-brake at 5500RPM it wouldn't be as bad but footbraking tends to load the motor up with raw fuel more. Maybe even click her up into neutral and clean the motor out. Nice car and like i said above i dig the anodized wheels..
69_OMEN_CAMARO Feb 21st, 10, 03:55 PM go to youtube and watch it in 720HD!
YouTube- HSS 1969 BBC 427 Camaro Runs 11's HD
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