If any one would like to know what problems we have had with Dynacorn products, PM me. Nothing wrong with Dynacorn, they were great, they sold me a body, cashed my check sent a body that was put together poorly. No problem. If your thinking of a new Dynacorn body, contact me first and Ill let you know what I think.

I for one, am greatful for vendors like Dynacorn.
The reason being, there is a limited supply of NOS and Good Used Original parts for these 40year old cars.
I would have been stuck without their parts.
Some are good, some are fair,
They all take work to make right.
When Chevy built these cars they cranked them out, the fit and finish back then was no where near what you get today in even the cheapest import.
Don

No doubt but when you pay $15,000 you shouldnt have to drill out "factory spot welds and move panels that were welded wrong. Its better than dealing with a rust bucket but customers dont like to pay twice, once for a "new body" and again to repair the "new body" from mfg errors. But Im not bashing.

Count down to lock down ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 .....

BASHING..does not help or solve anything...
my post was not meant as "bashing" i am gratefull that dyncorn makes the panels for a convertible...my comment was only to say what problems i had with the new panels...
i agree fully that body parts..including oem and nos parts..even by todays standards in the crash business...i did try to contact the vendor..got no response..however....i am not mad nor am i bashing...without companies like them and many others there would not be the cars we have running the roads today...i do like to be able to voice my opinion...do i wish that they fit better YES i do... however,that is the nature of the beast so to speak...
now with all that long winded talk...i hope that vendors pay attention ..and help solve issues...so that over time quality improves..and by speaking up..without malicous intent i can save someone else some grief...and they can ask the right questions about parts ..sheet metal and such before they buy...thanks...

Well when I first read this thread I thought it willl probably be locked but after thinking about it I think that it should stay open. A lot of members who post on here realize that there will be flaws. I for one am grateful to at least having the opportunity to buy a part. Sometimes it fits right in and other times it doesn't. I just recently bought some complete quarter windows from dii. Their kit did not come with the hardware and I was kind of disapointed. I called NPD (their dealer) and they didn't have the hardware. I called dii and they said that they did not sell the hardware. So off I go to find what I am missing. But I realize that that is the way it goes. It sucks that you spent all that money for the shell and it would be nice if everything was perfect but it is not. This is automotive resortation. There will be problems, some larger than others, but you have to make it work.

I know that you could have bought a junker and started from there but it is what it is and you can't unscramble the egg. Learn from the experience, share it and next time you will have a clearer understanding of how to solve the problem.

I wish you luck and it may take a little more work than you thought and probably a hell of a lot more money but the end result should be well worth it.

just my .02

Brandan-

Well when I first read this thread I thought it willl probably be locked but after thinking about it I think that it should stay open. A lot of members who post on here realize that there will be flaws. I for one am grateful to at least having the opportunity to buy a part. Sometimes it fits right in and other times it doesn't. I just recently bought some complete quarter windows from dii. Their kit did not come with the hardware and I was kind of disapointed. I called NPD (their dealer) and they didn't have the hardware. I called dii and they said that they did not sell the hardware. So off I go to find what I am missing. But I realize that that is the way it goes. It sucks that you spent all that money for the shell and it would be nice if everything was perfect but it is not. This is automotive resortation. There will be problems, some larger than others, but you have to make it work.

I know that you could have bought a junker and started from there but it is what it is and you can't unscramble the egg. Learn from the experience, share it and next time you will have a clearer understanding of how to solve the problem.

I wish you luck and it may take a little more work than you thought and probably a hell of a lot more money but the end result should be well worth it.

just my .02

Brandan-

Very well said Brandan. Nice, well thought out response.

FYI for others, Saying "I'm not bashing", in a post, doesn't mean you're not bashing ;)

In my opinion, if you buy a product you're not happy with. First thing to do is to contact the vendor and see what they are willing to do to fix the issues. Second, if you exhaust that avenue to the fullest extent, and still feel your fellow hobbyists need to be warned of issues with the product to save them time and/or possibly money, then post something like "I bought this product, and here are all the issues I had to fix." This can be done without putting down the manufacturer, or any name calling. Just state facts, not opinions, and let everyone else decide for themselves if the product is worth purchasing. A "Product Review" doesn't need to turn into "this company's stuff sucks" post, and can still get your point accross to assist your fellow hobbyists in their own decision making.

Well said Chistropher, thats the route I should have taken to begin with. Im just a bit ticked off with the customer service at Dynacorn since its been six weeks from my initial call and no results. So how do you say a companies customer service stinks without people saying your bashing. Its a PC thing I guess.

Just to add my 2 cents........

I too am grateful that there are companies willing to reproduce these parts....without them, there would be a lot less classics still out there, and they would be an endangered species.

With that being said, I also agree that they should refine and improve the quality and tooling of these parts as they are no where near perfect (but we already know this). On one of my side assemblies, the inner and outer rocker panel were put together incorrectly. I will have to drill them out and re-attach. This comes after I had to repair them because they were not packaged properly when shipped. As was stated earlier.......I wish that the customer service aspect was improved. People are what make a business.....the people running it, and the people buying from it. Often the people running it forget that without the people that buy from them.......they are nothing more than a storage facility for items that will never sell. I will gladly pay a higher price to know that I will be treated 1st class and not like just another sale. WE have many GREAT vendors/sponsors here that I have spent several thousand dollars with and have never had an issue. I salute the guys here that make customer service their top priority!

just my opinion......no bashing, no ranting and no complaining...... :)

I have just finished a 69 dynacorn coupe and have had ALL of the problems that everyone speaks about directly in front of me to fix. I even had to put a roof on a brand new bodyshell! I can build anything, but if Dynacorn markets something that the unknowing general public considers a "sand, paint and assemble" product, I look like the bad guy to inform the customer of all the konwn/possible problems and end up charging 400+ shop hours to deliver a show worthy rolling body. That is just for panel fit, bodywork and sheetmetal assembly, not a turnkey car. I'm not bashing, the body is of great overall quality, it just has alot of minor issues that if not addressed fully during the build would really be a big problem for assembly after paint.
If anyone wants to speak to me about my issues with these bodies feel free to PM me or call the shop to talk.

Im just a bit ticked off with the customer service at Dynacorn

This is where we all run into problems, if you can't get past any anger before posting anything it is going to come across in everything you say. Our intent as moderators and administrators is not to cover anything up but we do have to protect the site and try to insure the information is not one sided. You asked folks to list everything wrong and that's very one sided. First the qualifications of the people having problems may not be established and second even a long list of details may be insignificant in the big picture. I'm not calling anyone out here, just stating facts.

Imagine someone buys an exhaust system from you and having never even jacked a car up before they hack saw the old system off their car and run into all kinds of problems getting everything to fit and the tail pipes arn't even, the mufflers hang wrong and are not level and even when they are done and because of what ever reason they have to cut a section of pipe and make another longer to reach their headers. Now they hit the internet having never contacted you for support of if they did they came off wrong so you blew them off. They tell their story and you start loosing business because you can't frequent all the internet forums there are out there and actually get any work done! Wouldn't you be appreciative of a site that is maybe a bit pro-active in policing this kind of posting and has strict policy?

You can't imagine the time Al and I have put in mediating only to find if the original poster had been patient and delt with the manufacture the issues would have been resolved. The other time killer is all the back room dealings with threats of lawsuits over what is posted in the forums. People laugh at this one but more and more the courts are holding the site responsible for it's content.

Dennis,

You are absolutely right about the legal aspects of not allowing bashing. I do not pretend to be a lawyer, but as I understand it, if a company were to lose sales and revenue as a result of a one-sided product bashing post, the poster and the web host can be held liable for it. All the company would need to do is have one person testify that "based on what he read on so and so cite", they decided not to buy, and whammo, you have a libel case, that even if proven true, would need to be defended in court at very great expense.

Too often, folks use the 'net as a public flogging post instead of for information. FWIW, you guys do the right thing in keeping watch on things, for the benefit of angry posters,and the owners of this cite. We've grown so litigious these days, its just a smart thing to do.

I for one need to know what is a "bad" product or one that does require some "fitting" before I shell out that hard earned cash. As long as I know the short comings I know what to expect. I need to weigh out the disadvantages to know I am better off restoring the rusty shell or shelling out big bucks for something that still needs work.

Mitch

I for one need to know what is a "bad" product or one that does require some "fitting" before I shell out that hard earned cash. As long as I know the short comings I know what to expect. I need to weigh out the disadvantages to know I am better off restoring the rusty shell or shelling out big bucks for something that still needs work.

Mitch

I understand right where you are coming from Mitch... Al has tried to accomidate the need for sharing info on product's by creating a "Review" section (on the red tab above between Showroom and Tech) but it gets very little use. Here's a sample of what a review looks like, it's from 2005 and is on Dynacorn Full Floors.

http://www.camaros.net/reviews/showproduct.php?product=65&limit=views

I understand what your saying Dennis and I will respect the forum in regards to what I write from now on. Ive spent about six weeks sending pictures and talking to Detroit Speed and Dynacorn about the issues and Detroit Speed wants to help resolve the problem but Dynacorn is just blowing us off. I have tried with these guys and If I ran my business the way they did, my sales would suffer and so deserved. My customers are my 1st priority. I apologize for my first post and will think more before I write in the future.

I was very vocal about the very first bodies that were built in the states. I probably crossed the line a few times, but I was not impressed at all. But we got a factory assembled body late last year we finished in February. I was actually pleasently surprised with the Dynacorn body. I had some issues, but thought it was petty to stress over. In the end we solved all the issues with a couple days labor, and in the scope of a 600 hour project, it was easy to swallow 16 hours. We just sucked it up on our end, wasn't worth billing the customer for .2% of the project. The alternative was far more ugly.

My issues were same as clean cut, a damaged roof from shipping. Mine was minor enough to hammer and dolly repair, a very light skim coat, a day fix. The rear package tray was bowed up in the center, I had to drill the rear package tray loose, knock it down and re weld it (a 3 hour fix), and my interior guy had to redrill the headliner bow holes, My headliner guy no charged me. Other then that, it went together real good and was a hell of a lot easier then welding every panel from scratch, and having different issues to deal with.

To be honest, I have spent more time troubleshooting a charging issue with all new parts.

Sounds like you got a decent body Frank, we have a serious mfg issue in the rear of the car which involves the left rear quarter, tail light panel, trunk floor and left frame rail. We can fix it no problem but who pays the bill, not us and why should the customer pay. Dynacorn needs to pony up and deal with this and put it to bed. Thats all. Im glad it worked out for you and hope it goes as well for us.

the review section is a good spot to read....i for one am not that great with a computer...do not do well posting pics and such...so i am an idiot...
however i would use the site to give RESPECTFUL reviews if i could type in who and what product ..i want to review....

I like to hear about bad products. I especially like to hear when sponsors endorse bad products. It shows the character of the sponsor when they knowingly(they always know, that is their job) push a bad product. I don't think i have ever read a item description like on a rocker panel "may be missing pieces of metal" or the same for a passenger side quarter panel. How long has -------- insisted that their 68 frame rails are correct and not 1.5 inches to long?

Oddly enough my driver side rocker is missing some metal in the rear wheel well area. Its a decent size triangle shape hole. Maybe its supposed to be like that but I need to fill it.

Jason,

Is it at the top rear of the rocker? If so, it should be filled. Its part of a brace. Todd fabbed one up for his car.

just a quick thought.
The "kinder, gentler" way.
I think not. Maybe.
If the manuf. and the sellers are not held to any standard they may not care about what they sell. $15,000.00 is a lot of money. Would people pay $17,000.00 for a body that requires no "fixing"? I would think probably. But then what happens when that body gets "hurt" during shipping? Maybe there should be an insurance company to step up and back these products. The manuf. may/should even make it a part of their product marketing.
I've never bought, installed, needed, wanted a repro. panel, yet. But, I have worked with others that have. And to a man, all said a little extra $ up front for a "perfect" panel is money saved in the long run. Customer service is the second thing ALL have had a comment about.

Yup its the upper part, easy fill. Things like that I dont mind.

I appreciate reading Jason's experience. Not that I am going to buy a Dynacorn shell, but it is good information on whats out there and corroborates my experience with most all repro parts. I have had to buy many items twice because I trusted the parts I bought to fit as they were intended. I cant tweak a pulley thats made poorly, so I have to find an original. I'm lucky, the body on my 69 was literally an 8 year barn find from Washington state. My lesson: always go with original parts, if not, be prepared to get the BFH out.

I said the bad now Ill say some good. The fire wall, floor pans (not trunk), roof and right quarter panel are perfect and require no additional work. There's always a bright spot.

Makes me all the more happy with my decision to replace sheet metal rather then going the body replacement. Although I do feel bad that you have had this negative experience Jason but hopefully others will learn based on it.

In my opinion, the best thing to come from these complete bodies being brought to market, is the concurrent availability of all the additional components and panels they had to tool-up in order to do the job. Doing the bodies has brought a BUNCH of previously non-available pieces to market.

That said, I was skeptical of these units from the outset, as I thought it was too ambitious of a task jigging together an assortment of reverse-engineered parts. It's one thing to adapt a small selection of panels to an existing original GM shell. It's an entirely different thing to provide an entire tub, to tolerance, with repro parts.

Just one item/area tweaked or twisted or off just an 1/8th of an inch can snowball exponentially by the time you get 180-degrees around to the other side of the car.

It took real stones, and perseverance, to tackle these body-shells... Whether or not they remain viable for the long-term, at the price they sell at, with the quality-control challenges and eventual reputations that could develop, remains to be seen.

I've respectfully chosen not to sell them, as I can't imagine standing behind them myself. I can stand behind a quarter panel, or a door shell. I can replace or refund. But what the hell do I do if I've got a customer with a Monday-morning body that's rife with issues?

I'm also actually quite impressed with the decorum and discretion being used in this discussion.

Surely if you buy a repro body, you would do so knowing it wouldn't be "perfect". But there's a reasonable limit to the amount of labor you should have to pour-in post-purchase. I once saw a Mustang body who's trunk opening was narrower than the trunk lid...

You said it all Rick..

I too have seen these issues and that is why we have built jigs to restore shells rather than replace.

I am using the same Dynacorn parts but would rather assemble myself so I have control over fit and finish.

As stated earlier I am glad they offer the bodies because it has made available the parts to build a camaro from scratch.

Being a Camaro Freak myself I feel we are very lucky to have such a great selection of parts the Mopar guys not so lucky.

Brian

Surely if you buy a repro body, you would do so knowing it wouldn't be "perfect". But there's a reasonable limit to the amount of labor you should have to pour-in post-purchase. I once saw a Mustang body who's trunk opening was narrower than the trunk lid...

True, one should expect it wouldn't be "perfect" because they are aftermarket.....but, for the money, many of my customers DO truley believe that these bodies should be a "SAND AND PAINT AND ASSEMBLE". I have read here many times about potential Dynacorn purchasers asking how much REAL time it takes to get one of these suckers ready for paint. Many folks who haven't built one usually chime in and give their guess of what it will take to get one aligned and painted, but they end up lowballing because of lack of experience with these bodies and I look like the bad guy when I give real numbers to build one. I wish I had a nickel for how many times a potential customer with one of these bodies has said to me:
"YOU WANT HOW MUCH TO PAINT THIS ?? THAT IS MORE THAN I PAID FOR THE BODY....YOU GUYS ARE RIPPIN' ME OFF!!! THE THING IS BRAND NEW.. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE WRONG WITH IT? ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PAINT IT AND BOLT IT TOGETHER...."

yeah, and just any guy off the street can repair them..and do the body and paint...lol..or so many folks believe...
we get that in the mechanical side too...