Need help,what would be the approximate date of the Build date on this car.What should the cowel tag build date be approximately??

All N575xxx VINs are 01B

Holy crap,so it would be January 2nd week 1969 ,dam thanks William!!!!! I'm working on something that I never caught before and I don't think anyone else has yet,thanks!

Dan, what are you working on now? Please tell or ill call brent!!! Ha ha

It has long been assumed that the body tag date is the build date of the car. It is not. It was the week in which Fisher Body Production Control typed out the tag [the tag meant nothing to Chevy] and issued it along with paperwork to Production for fabrication of the body. Every car was built to a specific order. In addition there was more than one tag station and they did not always coordinate changing the date. It is not at all unusual for a series of consecutive VINs to have interspersed dates; 02A/02B/02A. Some weeks were skipped even though production continued. Sometimes Fisher PC released orders which remained in queue for an extended period. All June '69s are 06A; all July cars are 07A.

Our '67 Z/28 had an 06E tag date, engine V0706MO and was final assembled July 12, 1967. Go figure.

A little info,there was a $800.00 storage fee charged on this Super Special car.Invoice shows 7/1/70 .

I'll take a stab! Zl1 !!

Steve,Your getting close,it is a 427 car.

I will try agian Would it have had side pipes;)

Oh now your real close!!Oh yeah total cost was more then a ZL1. $9330.10!! 7/1/1970

:popcorn:

Is this a new find Dan? I know you're always researching....

Tom

sounds like the Mexican Motion Camaro.

Was in storage a long time while the Mexican Motion Chevelle tow car was built and took time to get all the paperwork needed to transport the car into Mexico

sounds like the Mexican Motion Camaro.

Was in storage a long time while the Mexican Motion Chevelle tow car was built and took time to get all the paperwork needed to transport the car into Mexico

I saw that Camaro in a magazine several years ago and I believe it was/is Rally(e) Green and was built for the Mexican President's son??

David F.

Talked to the guy that built this car and another guy that knew it very well.It was in storage for over a year.I Like this part on the invoice,Front Tow Hitch Fabrication-Sounds like they made the tow tabs-This is something I saw thats on the top of the invoice.right side-Ralley Green 36D,what does the 36 D mean? Ralley green in 1969 was 79 and E was Parchment. Another detail I noticed was 4 hood pin fiberglass L88 hood with NO hood hinges.Looks like they didn't have the lightweight fiberglass hood springs like the later 1970 and up cars had.Hockey stripe does not have the break in it for the original 396 badge .Was hockey stripe added?Or reapplyed,possible change of paint car,plus added stripes down center.Interesting car to say the least!

The Mexican Motion Camaro has the enduro front bumper so the standard NMW tow tabs may not have worked.
I have a set of NMW tow tabs on my Camaro and they just bolt up to the underside of the bumper. The Mexican car has huge brackets that mount under the car and come up to the bumper. The do look like they were made up.

The hood may be the lift off style hood. Those were light weight and had no reinforcement and no holes or brace to mount the hood hinges. They required 4 hood pins.

It is a low mile mostly original car and one of the best examples of a Motion car

I just wish they would put the Ansen wheels back on it

Holy crap,so it would be January 2nd week 1969 ,dam thanks William!!!!! I'm working on something that I never caught before and I don't think anyone else has yet,thanks!

Holy crap....what was it that nobody else has caught before ?????

Charlie,Reread my post, interesting stuff that I saw on the Baldwin Chevrolet invoice.Never have I seen mentioned of this stuff on Team Camaro of this particuler Motion Camaro,right?I know the cars been mentioned but the invoice has not been openly discussed on Team Camaro,right? Pretty neat stuff,right?

Talked to the guy that built this car and another guy that knew it very well.It was in storage for over a year.I Like this part on the invoice,Front Tow Hitch Fabrication-Sounds like they made the tow tabs-This is something I saw thats on the top of the invoice.right side-Ralley Green 36D,what does the 36 D mean? Ralley green in 1969 was 79 and E was Parchment. Another detail I noticed was 4 hood pin fiberglass L88 hood with NO hood hinges.Looks like they didn't have the lightweight fiberglass hood springs like the later 1970 and up cars had.Hockey stripe does not have the break in it for the original 396 badge .Was hockey stripe added?Or reapplyed,possible change of paint car,plus added stripes down center.Interesting car to say the least!

the hockey stripes are no where near to being where GM put them, so I will guess it was done after the fact

Not really that interesting to me. I would rather have the black with red one that was at Carlisle.

Dan,
I don't know about everyone else here but I really appreciate you sharing that very valuable story on the green BM Camaro. Especially the info about the $800 storage fee. That's good stuff!

"Another detail I noticed was 4 hood pin fiberglass L88 hood with NO hood hinges".

Wow, I wonder why it didn't have hinges? Aren't 4 pins usually a good sign that the hood is a lift off hood?

black is a great color but the green car looks more original then the black car.
The hood on the black one does not look like an original 69 Motion hood and the Motion emblem on the front does not look right and a few other things look like they were changed on the black car.

there may be good reasons for the changes. I have not talked to the owner so don't have a lot of info on it.
I am only going by the pictures of it.

Hi Clint,,Just trying to figure out the progression of differences thru each year.Harrell used sticks to hold up the fiberglass hoods in 1968,got a picture of one.Hope your wishes and Dreams come true,Take care!

Green car might be more orig than the black one but I know the Judges at Carlisle were in love with it and it's owners. I happen to think black with red is about the best combo there is. Personal preference, nothing more.

The black one scored an 88% on the American Camaro Association and got the "legend" class as just a FYI. There were some items not original, ie wheels, radio, but other than that was pretty legit and original with 19K miles. Out of curiosity, how many '69 motion camaros are out there. I thought i knew of 3, Kevin Suydam, the Green Mexican one in Iowa or close to it and this one. Anyone know of any others? Curious to know what people thought was not all original with this car. All cars have some items, just curious as to what everyone thinks. Thanks

How many had the 3 post Wing spoiler?

Yellow 69 - Charlie B's
Yellow 69 - LS7
Yellow 69 - LS7 unfound possibly Sanford Florida
Yellow 69 - Kevin S. forgot Joe
Green 69 - Mexico car
Black 69 - yours
Black 69 - north Ohio
Orange 69 - Motion conversion
Blue 69 - Kevins

Kevin S has two 1969 Motion Camaros , yellow RS SS and blue SS

"Another detail I noticed was 4 hood pin fiberglass L88 hood with NO hood hinges".

Wow, I wonder why it didn't have hinges? Aren't 4 pins usually a good sign that the hood is a lift off hood?


Clint I think enough posts have been locked up lately that you and Dan were involved with. How about given some of the guys tryin to learn a thing or two a break, before this thread gets deleted or locked up. thanks.

Copoloco,
you mentioned one in northern ohio. Does anyone have pics of it? Also, does anyone know the exact location. Reason i ask is that i have family all over northern ohio and i would like to see if it possible.
Mine actually came from northern ohio, elyria to be exact, so would be interesting to see if it came from about the same location.

About 7 years ago i had to change my ss hood out for more carb clearance and i had a craving for a stinger style hood.My buddy from another close town says-"I know a guy that has a motion 69 camaro and he actually has an extra stinger hood he bought from motion to replace his because his flew open when he forgot to put his pins in" It turns out they fixed his original and the new one was never used.I went to his house and sure enough in the garage was his hugger orange with black stinger and stripe andblack interior motion 427 camaro. Im pretty sure it had a black vinyl top too.He said it was a phase III car and his dad bought it for him for HS graduation.Of course he said he would never sell it, But the extra hood was just collecting dust in the basement.So i bought the hood and still have it .Its untouched original white gelcoat with a FastGlas sticker on the topside and rough unfinished underside was painted grey.The week after i jacked off hundreds of $ for it a guy stopped by and traded me an A&A stinger hood that had a nicer 2 layer design with a smooth underside in return for painting and installing a rear spoiler on his 67.So i just put the other one in storage.Just a little story i thought you might like to hear.

When I was up at the installation center last year (formerly the goodmark installation center) near Atlanta, there was a car in the shop, stored in it's own room, behind locked doors. We had to go into that room to get something and I was shown what was supposed to be a 69 Motion, that they were working on for the owner. Rally Green was the color if I remember correctly.

Anyone know if this was a car listed?

Rich

The sister car to the green camaro is the 69 black chevelle. Talk about a show stopper! That car is drop dead gorgeous. I thought a neat sidenote to the chevelle was when someone questioned, "why are there RS emblems on the car?" It was because they were the owners initials. :) Pretty cool. I would sell me house for that black chevelle. My favorite Motion car.

Wonder what the 8 month storage notation was for? Maybe because since it went to Mexico, the owner delayed pickup? Can't believe one towed the other all the way to Mexico. Unbelievable. :)

Dave

The black car looks like a great car but does look like it has had some restoration work done.

The hood looks like a modern stinger hood not an original 1969 Motion hood.

The Motion emblem on the front looks like it was added later then 1969.

The question on the emblems has come up a few times before because some of the 1969 restored Motion cars have them. I have not been able to find a 1969 dated picture or magazine article that shows a Motion emblem on a 1969. This is odd because the magazine cars would sometimes get extra emblems and decals

The engine looks like it has had some restoration done.
The distributor looks like it was changed also. The paperwork lists a YC-310 which is the old style Mallory. That is a minor item and you can still find them if you wanted to change it.
Not trying to criticize the car but these are some items that look like they were changed.

Actually the comments are welcome. I am actually looking to see if anyone has a picture of this car from the original. It was owned by my uncle since 1981, and i know of the items he change. Luckily he kept everything he changed, in the one example, I do have the YC distributor as well as the original radio, headers, etc. Wheels were supposed to be Cragar SS i believe. That is why i am asking for a picture to verify before i change back, As for the decal, that is the only one on the car and i do believe it is where it has always been. I dont think there was any right or wrong location for these. Which always makes it a fun discussion as to what is right or wrong haha!

Looking at some old photos of Motion Camaros.This is October of 1968.Car is Motion Camaro with a Fiberglass Stinger hood and 2 hood pins in front only. Shows picture of Fiberglass hood up and NO hood hinge springs.Must of used the stick like the 68 Harrell cars had.October 1970 454 Phase III Camaro article with L88 Fiberglass Hood up shows hood springs.Maybe sometime in 1970 they started using the lighter hood springs for the L88 fiberglass hoods.

Just found this ad in a 1969 Hot Car Magazine for NMW products.Their from Jersey.Anyway shows a tow bar,free wheeling hub ,ladder bars and universal tow tab.Tab Looks to be bolted/welded to the bottom of the front subframe.What year did NMW start making them for indivdual year cars and use the front bumper for bolt on points? Anyone know?

Ok just got permission from my friend Rich who has 2 1969 Baldwin Motion cars.Both went thru Baldwin Chevrolet to Joel Rosen then invoice out of Baldwin Chevrolet. Both have all original BM paperwork.-Interesting fact,custom made Tow tabs by Motion,not NMW's! One Motion invoice is dated March 26 1969 and other cars invoice is dated July 18 1969. Both show 'Raised on all Four points on invoice too!

There have been Motion clones around since the 1980s and some were well done and even had paperwork. I remember them in black, hugger orange, and a copy of the Mexican green one. The green one was copied down to the rally wheels which I thought was funny since it should have Ansen wheels. The green one was on ebay a bunch of times.

Von, did you have your hood on ebay?
there was one on ebay just as you decribe and was in NY
here is a pic of it

I have been collecting Motion stuff for over 30 years so have seen a lot of stuff and heard some crazy stories

Thats it. Still have it.If your coming to the Syracuse nationals next week Id be happy to show it to you or anyone else that was interested.

About the same time I sold the "paper green car" stuff I also sold a 1969 Motion cataloge to a guy at the Yenko web site. Don't ask me who it was. But i'd bet if you went there he'd speak up.........

Noticed that Joel used to graf the Non stinger Fiberglass Scoop to the original steel hood on the early Camaros.

This car was featured in the August 1985 Car Review magazine. I believe it was in another magazine at some point with a photo of OE Chevy window sticker. Maybe Super Chevy.

BTW it has rally wheels in the 1985 feature.

William,Question for you,when did GM start using the Black 10 10 PNT code on 1969 Camaros? I saw info on a Black early 69 Motion Camaro article that mentions Black had to be ordered. Is this true and if thats correct when was the first 10 10 paint codes on the Cowel tags?Did it have something to do with all 1969 Camaro SS 396 cars had Satin finish Black out tail panels? Thanks!

Black is fairly rare and was not initially an RPO color. How they handled it may have been inconsistent. A few years ago a Sept '68 [09D] 69 Z/28 RS was discovered in the area; 10 10 paint code. That is the earliest black '69 I know of. At some point [Jan '69?] black became an extra-cost RPO color at $12.65.

There are black Camaros around with - - paint codes but there is no way to know their original configuration. One was an L78 SS w/o D90 striping.

Back in '69 one of the pulp car mags wanted a black L78 automatic Camaro SS without stripes. It was such a hassle they wrote an editiorial about it. Chevy refused to do it and eventually they got the car in black with stripes and an argent grille. They removed the stripes and did a number of features with the car. I believe it was used in some Motion ads. Car was stolen and never recovered.

William,Your absolutely right.Built for Joe Oldham. Car was special ordered from GM with Enduro Black bumper too! It Was a SS396 Turbo 400 1969 Camaro Black paint ,Black interior and Black Vinyl top.Looks to be a argent silver grill no Hockey stripe.Car was made into a Motion 427 with Fiberglass stinger hood and shows no hood hinge springs!Car sits up on All 4 points,Motion style.I have a early picture of the same car with a white Hockey stripe and 427 where the 396 badge originally was.

The Mexican Motion Camaro is an amazing story.
would take a long post to describe it all.

It is a bit over the top with the big wing, L88 hood, excessive striping, and high cost, but outrageous is what the Motion cars are known for.

here is a pic of Mexican Motion Camaro reattached to its 69 Motion Chevelle tow car at the Amelia Island 2008 show like when it left Motion Performance in 1970
and was also a Revell model in different versions
and window sticker is still mostly in the window

ahhh Rally Green with White Houndstooth is killer also...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-BALDWIN-MOTION-PHASE-III-3-427_W0QQitemZ200344693470QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors _Manuals_Literature?hash=item2ea5796ade&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1171

Here's a page from Bill Thomas offering a 1969 454 camaro.
http://www.detroithorsepower.com/forum/index.php?topic=4101.0

My understanding is Joel built 2 late 1969 camaros ,both yellow,late into the final run of 69s.

One yellow 1969 454 Motion Camaro was in Canada and was restored by LMC then used in a Dreamcar Garage show for restoration then again for a test shoot out.
On the show, they showed the paperwork and said it is a documented car. I emailed them about it but never got a reply

it also on youtube

YouTube - Super Muscle Car Shootout - Dream Car Garage

Joe,
Is this the yellow Motion car that was sold here on Team Camaro as just a shell back in 2000 or so? I remember the build up on Dreamcar Garage. Very cool car.

where can i find more pictures or info on the yellow camaro in that video?

If I'm correct Clint the shell that was in Hemmings/here,looked at by Joe,is Charlie B's car.The same guy also sold a BM Chevelle after that.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-BALDWIN-MOTION-PHASE-III-3-427_W0QQitemZ200344693470QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors _Manuals_Literature?hash=item2ea5796ade&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1171

those pictures look like they are from the book on the Otis Chandler collection.
I have the 1990 printing and the Mexican Motion Camaro is on the cover.
Otis also had a Motion Corvette and Motion LS6 Chevelle in the book along with a bunch of other Super Muscle Cars

Joe,
Is this the yellow Motion car that was sold here on Team Camaro as just a shell back in 2000 or so? I remember the build up on Dreamcar Garage. Very cool car.

not the same car. That yellow one was out of CT., is still in USA, is being restored and should be close to finished

If I'm correct Clint the shell that was in Hemmings/here,looked at by Joe,is Charlie B's car.The same guy also sold a BM Chevelle after that.

I don't think he had a BM Chevelle but the same guy also sold a BM Corvette that later went to an auction in CT. and now is under restoration at Corvette repair LI NY

Saw the unibody (No doors,no front end,no drivetrain,no interior) Motion Yellow 69 Camaro years ago in the Special Interest mag for sale for $5000.00 then got documented by Joel Rosen and went on ebay for $50,000.00 reserve.Car was owned by John and out of CT. Have the Special Interest ad and Ebay ad. The Yellow Motion 69 Camaro mentioned on Speed Vision that was retored in Canada at Legendary Dream Car,was a 4 speed car,deluxe interior,console with guages,yellow with Black Motion stripe.Isn't that KS's car in Seattle Washington?Yeah Dreamcar doesn't have much info or really wanna talk about this car.You would think they would sell tapes of this particuler car when it was restored on Dream car.

Joe,I know the NJ Vette,saw it in person in NJ before John the CT guy got it and then traded it for a Scuncio Maroon 69 Copo.

Saw the unibody (No doors,no front end,no drivetrain,no interior) Motion Yellow 69 Camaro years ago in the Special Interest mag for sale for $5000.00 then got documented by Joel Rosen and went on ebay for $50,000.00 reserve.Car was owned by John and out of CT. Have the Special Interest ad and Ebay ad. The Yellow Motion 69 Camaro mentioned on Speed Vision that was retored in Canada at Legendary Dream Car,was a 4 speed car,deluxe interior,console with guages,yellow with Black Motion stripe.Isn't that KS's car in Seattle Washington?Yeah Dreamcar doesn't have much info or really wanna talk about this car.You would think they would sell tapes of this particuler car when it was restored on Dream car.

there are 3 different yellow Motion 69 Camaros mentioned in this thread.

That is Kevin's 427 Yenko Nova in the shootout
looking at the shoot out again, I am not sure which yellow MP Camaro is in the vid

Joe,So your saying not kevins car,but wasn't the Dreamcar Garage car a RS/SS with the same options?

I saved asite on kevin Suydams collection last year for reference that showed the yellow motion with a cowl induction hood.But when i look at it now some of the pictures are the same and some now show it with a stinger hood like the car in the video.

The car in the vid does look like Kevin's and has 427 emblems

found this picture on the legendarymotorcar.com 5th row down shows a yellow Camaro and pic is labled "1969 Chevrolet Baldwin Motion Camaro LS7 1 of 1" but not sure if that is the right car

http://www.legendarymotorcar.com/site/503

Joe,Good find,so now theres 4 Daytona Yellow 1969 Motion Camaros,this one being a LS7 motor,unreal!!

So are there any Motion Caprices or Biscanes out there? The catalog I had, showed them.

Oh yeah, and my Webshots picture site has scans of the 1969 Motion cat. I sold. (Me dumb a$$).

one 1969 Baldwin Motion Biscayne has been found.
have heard of a 1968 but don't have much info on it.

Motion ads called the 1968 BM Biscayne the "Street Racer Special"

If I remember the ads right, you can get a factory L72 (425hp) 4 speed with 4:56 gear M22 for about $3000.00

Joes right,my friend Rich B has a 69 Biscayne Motion SS 427 4speed car in NJ.This car spent some time at the track and was in PA at one time.

http://www.detroithorsepower.com/forum/index.php?topic=4142.0

You could get any car and any part and even order the cars from a form in most of the catalogs.

Ok the old ebay auction on the 1969 Motion Yellow Camaro from CT .Ebay ad shows just the unibody,no doors,interior,front sheet metal,or subframe.Cowel tag ST69 12437NOR153666 TR 711 76 76 10E X22 D80 Vin is 124379N7083xx. I know the whole vin but not gonna post it on the open forum.In Vehicle Description it says-1969 Baldwin Motion SS big block Camaro which is documented by Joel Rosen.The vehicle is in shell state and needs total restoration.Joel Rosen informed me that the car when completed will have a value of approximately $150,000.00.What you see in the photo is what is left of the vehicle.There is no engine or drive train.I am not sure if the 12 bolt is the original rear.------Ebay listing was Jul 30 2001.Starting bid was $36,000.00.

Not to hi-jack this thread, but I was curious if anyone has pictures or permission from the owners of some of these cars to post pictures. I'm a huge Baldwin Motion fan and would love to see some of these cars that have never been in the publics eye from what I've saw anyway. I have saw Kevin's cars the one picture of the car that Legendary Motor car restored, the green and white Mexican Camaro, the black and red Camaro that was at Carlisle resently and a few 1968's. It would be great to see the others as well. Shoot post any pictures of them. It would be great to see them all (Camaro's, Chevelle's, Nova's Corvette's, Vega's and so forth). I've attended a the SuperCar reunion a few times and it is amazing to see these cars in person and if you can make it to the track to watch them race that is something else as well. That and they are a great bunch of people to visit with and hear the stories behind the cars. I'd appreciate any pictures that you can share and I'm sure the rest of the Camaros.net group would as well. Thanks in advance.

I would be happy to supply pictures if people would like. I have one the least known B/M camaro out there in my opinion.

I have saw a few pictures of your SWEET Baldwin motion on the yenko site, but would love to see a few more if you have more pictures to share. I wanted to go to Carlisle so bad to see your car after I had heard you where going to be attending, but I just couldn't make it. Do you have any plans to bring it to either the SuperCar Reunion or THe old VetteFest show in Chicago in the next year or so? I'm just curious because it would be great to see your car in person and meet up with you. Thanks for the response and I look forward to drooling over pictures of your car again. LOL!!

I will get some new pics up here, but will apologize since i am not the fastest to respond. But i will get a bunch if wanted. I plan on going to the SCR and MCACN in chicago, slim chance this year, but planning on going to Chicago next year, then maybe the SCR the year after that. Unfortunatley the SCR is one i really want to go to, but it is the furthest away. Anyway, give me a little bit and i will be posting!

The sister car to the green camaro is the 69 black chevelle. Talk about a show stopper! That car is drop dead gorgeous. I thought a neat sidenote to the chevelle was when someone questioned, "why are there RS emblems on the car?" It was because they were the owners initials. :) Pretty cool. I would sell me house for that black chevelle. My favorite Motion car.

Wonder what the 8 month storage notation was for? Maybe because since it went to Mexico, the owner delayed pickup? Can't believe one towed the other all the way to Mexico. Unbelievable. :)

Dave


Check out first post in this thread, owner of the Black Motion Chevelle, long thread but lots of shots when the two cars were at Ameila Is. a few years back.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/319830/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1

Mike

I'd appreciate any new pictures of your car that you would care to share. I think that your car looks awesome. Their is something to be said about a black SS/RS Camaro with red stripes. It would be great to see your car in person and hope to see it at the Chicago show in the near future. I've gone to that show the last two years and have made it a yearly event since there are such nice cars and people to visit with. Actually a lot of the great people that I've met up with the SuperCar Reunion show attend this show as well. I think that you would enjoy either show. One thing nice about the Chicago show is that when it's starting to get cold here in the north you can still go to a great show like this and see some sweet cars and met some great people as well. I wish the SuperCar Reunion wasn't so far way either. I really enjoyed that event as well. I'm going to have to make a point to getting to that show again in the near future. I see that they have a great line up again this year. Thank goodness that they guys post some great photos at the end of each day so us guys that can't make it can still feel like we where some what their.

As for the black BM Chevelle and the green BM Camaro on the thread that you posted from the SYC site. It is a long thread but totally worth it. I actually followed it all the way through when it was originally posted, but it was great to go through it again and see them two cars together again like they where when they left Motion Performance. It would have been awesome to have been their to see them in person. If I remember correctly didn't you get to ride in at least one of the two Mike. If so you sure are one lucky guy. Thanks again guys and have a great weekend.

Jesse

Jesse, unless Mike knows something I don't...the black Chevelle is still owned by someone I know here in AZ?:confused:

Either way...you're right about the SuperCar reunion. It's a great place to hang out with some cool folks and see some awesome iron!:hurray:

This will be the first year in a while that I will not be attending...as I have some skin cancer surgery scheduled right before the show:(

Mike has been at the show before...and is a great guy in person!

Hey Mike...do you want me to post that "one" picture of you in the parking lot at the hotel..yeah, you know the one:D

Bruce, sorry to hear that you have to go through surgery. I hope that it goes smoothly and with out any issues.

As for the Chevelle and the Camaro I just meant that they where together in the same location again. That would have been a great show to have been able to attend as well.

I wish that I could attend the SCR12 as well. I just don't have the funds to attend this year so I will have to just see it through the photos that the guys post on the SYC site. Thanks to you Bruce and everyone else that has posted pictures from that show and other shows that you have attended. I hope to be able to go next year and maybe I will be able to meet up with you and Mike. That would be cool. Take care and have a nice evening. Jesse

Jesse...you will have a blast when you finally have a chance get to the reunion...great people, great cars...racing...car show...hanging out:yes::hurray:

Now I understand what you were saying about the cars:beers:

BTW, the first part of the surgery is done...the cancer is gone on my forehead. Plastic surgery is early tomorrow morning....:p