This car was purchased from a museum and verified back to 1987 ownership. Still, no documentation to prove it but a nice car. I saw it for sale online a few months ago for $80k or so. So, what is it worth?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200360302960&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:Watchlink:middle:us

Since you asked the starting bid is already over the money for a no docs restored car needing hard to find parts. I also see an incorrect master and missing AIR system. Odd no photos of the drivetrain stampings. "Factory" black cars always arouse suspicion.

If you just have to have it have Camaro Hi-Performance check it out. Money well spent.

Thanks, William. I happen to already own a factory black RS Z verified by Jerry McNeish. That is why I was curious about this car. I know it would be very rare if it were real. I , like you, was skeptical since there are no photos of numbers or trim tag.

Since you asked the starting bid is already over the money for a no docs restored car needing hard to find parts. I also see an incorrect master and missing AIR system. Odd no photos of the drivetrain stampings. "Factory" black cars always arouse suspicion.

If you just have to have it have Camaro Hi-Performance check it out. Money well spent.

Unfortunately the term numbers match has joined the thousands of overly abused references in muscle car descriptions. The question is, is it the born with as in came from the factory drive train in the car. He states that nearly everything under the hood is original to the car and lists several items but does not list the block. Since he had the thought to post pictures of the alternator and starter stamp but none of the assembly on the block and never outright clearly and in no uncertain terms states it, I would venture to guess it is not. Also the pics of these two pieces are taken while off the car. Then again you never know unless you ask. If it is not the original from the factory drive train with correct stampings and there are no docs as stated it joins the realm of the other 100,000+ 68 and 69 Z's that are forever in limbo.

The fact that it was bought from a museum also means absolutely nothing. I can name you more than one "Museum" that has been churning out fakes for decades of all kinds of cars.

The car on the other side of the coin ignoring the Z part is very attractive to say the least and I think it should garner above the average price for the standard semi restored car but nowhere near the price of a true Z. Based on the current E-Bay market my guess would be in the range of half the opening bid or so.

The car on the other side of the coin ignoring the Z part is very attractive to say the least and I think it should garner above the average price for the standard semi restored car but nowhere near the price of a true Z. Based on the current E-Bay market my guess would be in the range of half the opening bid or so.

This is a semi restored car? I have to say im a bit confused on what makes it semi restored. Semi meaning half...so the car is only half restored? How exactly is there still half of this car left to restore. Just curious...

Looks pretty darn good to me...Z or no Z. And i would say 25k (half of opening bid) would be a damn good buy... again... real Z or not. Not defending the sellers claims but its a sweet looking car!

beuatiful car nevertheless...

Just basing it on what I see of 68 bidding and sale prices in the last month or two, I may go a little above the 25k but not by a lot. I personally think it is a very nice car but no docs, no knowledge beyond what is said. To me without proof of it being a real Z in this economy it is worth the price of a clone to me. To someone else it may be worth 50k, as the saying goes it is worth what a buyer is willing to pay for it.

Definitely a beautiful car appearance wise but, for the semi restored part first keep in mind that the cars I am normally involved with are in the area of legends class for the Nats not the 1000 point classes so from my point of view it is semi restored. For $50k on an undocumented car I want to see a nicer car as far as details go even if the parts are repro they should at least be correct appearance. I see even in the few pictures that are shown a lot of wrong finishes and details. To bring it up to the next level is a lot of work and money on this car, Distributor, battery, air filter, wire harness work, nut/bolt type and finish (that is a lot of labor to fix), tires, steering wheel gloss, paint details, alternator resto, alternator pulley, etc. That is without seeing a single shot underneath or high detail shot of any area and without a ton of time looking at it. As the saying goes the devil is in the details.

Just my opinion and sticking to it.

Not by a lot meaning around 30-32k.

If you are selling a 1968 Z/28 on eBay, and, are trying to get "1968 Z/28" money for the car, you absolutely, positively, need to post a pic of the "MO" block stamping.:yes:

Just basing it on what I see of 68 bidding and sale prices in the last month or two, I may go a little above the 25k but not by a lot. I personally think it is a very nice car but no docs, no knowledge beyond what is said. To me without proof of it being a real Z in this economy it is worth the price of a clone to me. To someone else it may be worth 50k, as the saying goes it is worth what a buyer is willing to pay for it.

Definitely a beautiful car appearance wise but, for the semi restored part first keep in mind that the cars I am normally involved with are in the area of legends class for the Nats not the 1000 point classes so from my point of view it is semi restored. For $50k on an undocumented car I want to see a nicer car as far as details go even if the parts are repro they should at least be correct appearance. I see even in the few pictures that are shown a lot of wrong finishes and details. To bring it up to the next level is a lot of work and money on this car, Distributor, battery, air filter, wire harness work, nut/bolt type and finish (that is a lot of labor to fix), tires, steering wheel gloss, paint details, alternator resto, alternator pulley, etc. That is without seeing a single shot underneath or high detail shot of any area and without a ton of time looking at it. As the saying goes the devil is in the details.

Just my opinion and sticking to it.

Understood. I just wasnt sure what you meant buy semi-restored. Youre definition and my definition of semi-restored definitely differ a bit but that is ok too. Youre standards are a little higher than mine. :)

And i would agree with the 30-32k part without any real proof of Z. And to me that makes 25k a pretty darn good deal. Not that the seller would ever let it go for either of those amounts based on opening bid.

And I agree that 50k with no real proof of it being a Z is, of course, high. And thats just the opening bid.

Bought in 2007... unfortunately for the seller, it is not the frenzied environment of 2007 anymore. He's likely to take a real beating as noted in the discussions of what it is really worth in 2009.

Well, he definitely isnt a salesman, and should have proven his claim better of it being a real Z. My understanding from his term "numbers matching" means the original drivetrain cause he states the trany has the vin on it. So, he should have added a pic of the engine pad, plus the engine internals. Yet, IF it is an original block, tranny, and rear end car, I dont think the value has deminished this year at all. Of all collector cars, the ones that never loose their value are the original drivetrain ones!! If a person is smart and wants big money for their original camaro, basically, you DONT sell it on ebay.!! nuff said. As for its worth, as an original drivetrain 68 Z with very rare RS option(if factory and not just added)
, missing at least $5k of correct z parts, $50k is a fair place to start. Its high enough to keep away the tirekickers and dreamers, but low enough to get the serious buyer interested in a good investment.

Very well said. I agree that more needs to be shown proving it's pedigree.
I think the car looks better than the crummy pictures posted. As far as accurate nut and bolt resto, obviously it is not perfect.
Well, he definitely isnt a salesman, and should have proven his claim better of it being a real Z. My understanding from his term "numbers matching" means the original drivetrain cause he states the trany has the vin on it. So, he should have added a pic of the engine pad, plus the engine internals. Yet, IF it is an original block, tranny, and rear end car, I dont think the value has deminished this year at all. Of all collector cars, the ones that never loose their value are the original drivetrain ones!! If a person is smart and wants big money for their original camaro, basically, you DONT sell it on ebay.!! nuff said. As for its worth, as an original drivetrain 68 Z with very rare RS option(if factory and not just added)
, missing at least $5k of correct z parts, $50k is a fair place to start. Its high enough to keep away the tirekickers and dreamers, but low enough to get the serious buyer interested in a good investment.

I have a friend who has a unrestored documented numbers matching 68 Black on black RS Z that would probably give his car up in a heart beat for that 80 K :) Beautiful car that he never drives. He has owned the car for at least 25 years and is a well known Camaro guy... I know Zuma has seen the car too

68 RS Z in black is a real stunning looking combo , beautiful.

This one is how the ad could have been run:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=250463479806

Shows the stamps (don't know if they are real or not)

Rich

not sure how it could score that many points with this ashtray ...

http://i.ebayimg.com/03/!BVyus7wBGk~$(KGrHgoH-DgEjlLlgJ6SBKUUJ(Limw~~_12.JPG