My '69 was obviously a Canadian Car. I have paperwork from GM of Canada
showing the Vin #, shipping date, and Dealer name and location. It also lists the options that came on the car. I've heard that Canadian Cars had a much better "Paper trail". It appears there were 6,067 models like mine produced for Canada Sale that year. My question is: about how much more value to my car; being able to prove it's a true S.S. and it's history?

(MODERATOR... sorry, just realized this should be in "what its worth"?)

only if it still has a bunch of maple syrup bottles still in the trunk!! hahahaha jk mark..i dont know, but its cool though!! i would think just being a ss and papers to prove it is enough, dont really think it matters where it came from..??

mmmm, maple syrup....

having docs does add to the value!! any stuff on the car still orig.?? motor, trans ,rear end???

Sparky: yeah, the rear-end is matching. Haven't checked the tranny. The motor has the TO and the JI visible on the engine pad but the other numbers are not visible. I have seen paperwork to indicate that the 51,000 are probably original miles. I can't recall exactly, but I think the car was only driven 1200 miles from 1991 til I bought it about a year and half ago. (I also found a "statement" from someone saying "I certify this is a matching numbers 396/350 Super Sport Camaro... or something like that) but, I don't know that guy so it doesn't count for much. The entire interior was redone to stock/original. For what it's worth, I had a guy come out and inspect it. He gave it 10 points on something like 12 out of 15 catagories. He said in his report he thought it was matching numbers but couldn't say for sure since some of the numbers couldn't be seen. I guess if I were to sell it, I'd advertise it as "possible matching numbers" and let the buyer inspect for himself.

Read my sig......;)

okiemark, is your car x coded!!

My '69 was obviously a Canadian Car. I have paperwork from GM of Canada
showing the Vin #, shipping date, and Dealer name and location. It also lists the options that came on the car. I've heard that Canadian Cars had a much better "Paper trail". It appears there were 6,067 models like mine produced for Canada Sale that year. My question is: about how much more value to my car; being able to prove it's a true S.S. and it's history?

(MODERATOR... sorry, just realized this should be in "what its worth"?)

Well, nowadays there are no Guarantees but I will say one thing....I know more than a few Collectors and they will only buy "Canadian sold" Camaros....I had mine documented this year after 20 years of owning her (Canadian Car as well).....I am so happy that I was able to do this....I believe it does add value more so today than it ever did....where was your car sold Okie? I will be visiting the original selling dealer of my car this Month to do a photo shoot (40 years almost to the day it was delivered back in June of 69') can you imagine the value that will be for the next guy that owns this car? I have started a binder dedicated to the car (old photos of when I bought her and back when my Brother in Law owned it who was the second owner, the bill of sale etc etc and of course the GM Vintage Vehicle Docs.)...the dealer may have a surprise for me:hurray:

Sparky: yes, it is X66 coded. CanX11- it was sold near Ontario, if I remember right. What paperwork could I expect from the original dealer??

Sparky: yes, it is X66 coded. CanX11- it was sold near Ontario, if I remember right. What paperwork could I expect from the original dealer??

Where in ontario?(Ontario is a province....which is like one of your states and its Huge)...I live in Ontario....Toronto to be exact......if you want, PM me which City and Dealer and if its close to me and still in Business, I can drop by for you....some Dealers may still have copies of the original Invoice which is one item I do not have...and/or Original purchasing owner info, also if the Car was initially sold in Ontario and had a history here....you can get all that info from our DMV for a fee....how cool is that?.....let me know and if you want all the owner History of your car, I can get that info for you or send you the link.....if you have the VIN and I believe the fee is 25 Dollars canadian....not sure how far back it goes but it is available....probably easier if someone from Ontario does it for you.

Lee, I'll be home later and get the info. thanks a lot!

You can almost fit 2 States the size of Texas into the Province of Ontario and if you think things grow Big in Texas watch out for our 6ft misquotes and Toronto "Hog Town" is really a dependent orphan of the Province - LOL

You can almost fit 2 States the size of Texas into the Province of Ontario and if you think things grow Big in Texas watch out for our 6ft misquotes and Toronto "Hog Town" is really a dependent orphan of the Province - LOL

Lol, that is so true today.....Ron, I have been trying to get out of the "big smoke" for a few years now.

Toronto is the center of the country and the rest of the country revolves around it!

Thats why the rest of the country loves to hate us!

Lee, my car was sold from Canaplan Leasing Ltd. in Hamilton, Ontario. (something tells me that place won't still be around) shipping date: April 7, 69. Let me know what my next step would be. thanks again.

Lee, my car was sold from Canaplan Leasing Ltd. in Hamilton, Ontario. (something tells me that place won't still be around) shipping date: April 7, 69. Let me know what my next step would be. thanks again.

Is this where you bought it from? or where it was originally sold in 69', Hamilton, Ont. is only 25min from my Home...I did a quick search and here is what I found out about them...looks like they are still around. Let me know more.

Investor:
Xerox Canada Holdings Inc., North York, ON, CDA (USA)
Canadian Business:
Canaplan Leasing Inc., Burlington, ON
Leases vehicles.

Lee, this is where it was sold from (to original owner). I believe I am the 4th owner or so.

Do not know if this will help any but if anyone can offer you insight this would be the person. According to this he is working at a pontiac dealership in Burlinton Ontario.

In doing a search of pontiac dealers i have found this to be the only pontiac dealership in the area that has been around the past forty years. You might want to give him a call and have a chat and see what information he might be capable of offering. Just a lead you might want to follow up?

Leggat Pontiac Buick Cadillac
2207 Fairview St, Burlington, ON L7R3Y3
Phone: (905) 333-3700

2 PLAC 1-3-4-7-5
1 NAME William Thomas /Kennedy/

1 OCCU , Bill moved to Toronto to sell shirts for the Northern Shirt Company. After the
1 INFO Northern Shirt Company wound down in 1955, Bill went into the car business
1 RESI working for various car dealerships around Toronto. Bill then became
1 RELI vice-president of Canaplan Leasing. Throughout his career, Bill has won many
1 LANG salesmanship awards for highest car sales. Bill is currently working from a
1 EDUC Pontiac dealership in Burlington as a Car Lease consultant. Bill is also an
1 MAID active golfer being a member of the Glen Abbey Golf and Country Club and the
1 TEXT Burlington Golf and Country Club.
1 REFN 1-1-4-7-5
1 FAMS @F004@
1 FAMC @F007@
1 NOTE William was in car leasing and sales business for almost 40 years.
2 CONT Before getting into the car business in 1956, he worked for the Northern
2 CONT Shirt Company selling shirts and overalls. He came to Toronto in 1948 to
2 CONT sell clothes
2 CONT for the Northern Shirt company. He currently works part time in his own
2 CONT car leasing business from a dealership
2 CONT in Burlington.

:hurray::thumbsup:Yes, by all means, GM of Canada documentation adds value to your car, but since I work there I may have a vested interest :)
:yes:

:hurray::thumbsup:Yes, by all means, GM of Canada documentation adds value to your car, but since I work there I may have a vested interest :)
:yes:

George, is that you? if it is....you were a great help...thanks man!!:hurray: I am so glad that this service is still available to us.

Is that George Zapora?

Toronto is the center of the country and the rest of the country revolves around it!

Thats why the rest of the country loves to hate us!
A legend in your own mind, eh?

It's not "hate"... more of...endure.:)

I see where the monsoons are still with us.

capt

Hey i was following this for a little while and come back to this.... I was hopping to read some good history found on this car.. Oh well ill just wait.

Skip: I'm gonna have George do a search on the car. I already have a search that was done on the car back in '01 but want him to do again just to confirm. I know... my thread was hijacked by a bunch of crazy Canadians. What a bunch of Hosers!

Skip: I'm gonna have George do a search on the car. I already have a search that was done on the car back in '01 but want him to do again just to confirm. I know... my thread was hijacked by a bunch of crazy Canadians. What a bunch of Hosers!

Hey take off eh! ....okie, dont forget about the "used vehicle package" we offer here in Ontario...it should give you a history of your car. Here is whats available in the package...i will post the link as well. #2 on the list is the important one for you "vehicle registration history". Good luck. No need for the link...click the icons in blue.....all you need is the VIN and provide the fee....not sure how far back it goes but its worth a shot!



By Ontario law, private sellers of most motor vehicles, including motorcycles, must provide buyers with a Used Vehicle Information Package. This package guides you through the process of buying or selling and helps you understand your rights and responsibilities.

Selling a used vehicle in Ontario? (http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.shtml#selling)
Buying a used vehicle in Ontario? (http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.shtml#buying)
More Information:


Liens (http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm#liens) (Debts on a vehicle/motor vehicle insurance)
Retail sales tax (http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm#retail)
Safety standards certificate (http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm#safety)
Tax exemption (http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm#tax)
Drive Clean (http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/used.htm#driveclean)
Did you know?
Every year, over one million used vehicles change ownership in Ontario.
The used Vehicle Information Package (UVIP) includes:


Description of the vehicle
Ontario vehicle registration history
Odometer information
Outstanding debts (link to liens) on the vehicle
Wholesale and retail values for the vehicle's model and year, if available
Retail sales tax requirements
Bill of sale
Tips on vehicle safety standards inspections

Lee: thanks, but the problem may be the first owner was from Canada but then the car was sold to a gentleman in Colorado I believe. Will it have a history of the car once it entered the USA?... however, just realized it would at least have the first AND second owner, right? thanks a lot, will review.

Lee: thanks, but the problem may be the first owner was from Canada but then the car was sold to a gentleman in Colorado I believe. Will it have a history of the car once it entered the USA?... however, just realized it would at least have the first AND second owner, right? thanks a lot, will review.

Yes, you should be able to get that info (not the US History...only the Ontario registrations)...depending on how far back it goes...i would call the Ontario ministry of transportation and ask them how far back it goes before you start sending $$.

Okie, keep in mind....if you do find out who the first and second owners are....you could find a "treasure trove' of info, old pictures of when the car was new etc etc. i have 2 friends who had there cars documented by GM canadas' vintage Vehicle services and w/ that info they traced all the owners...starting w/ the selling dealer......they have pictures and one buddy even has some film footage of his car when new...the other guy even retrieved the original Hub caps his car came with along w/ the original owners manual and Invoice ....the owner kept them as momentos but gave them up and had tears in eyes when the car showed up again 30 plus years later....he thought it was in the scrap pile long ago! So, you never know!

Lee, that would be so cool. I've been looking through all the paperwork and I have names and dmv records. I traced it back 3 owners. I'll find out more tomorrow when I talk to them on the phone. Maybe I use some Okie charm and get some info over the phone. You know, throw in some: "aw shucks", or "Ya'll a'right in my book", or "Well, ma'am, thank ya kindly"

The GM of Canada docs definitely ad value as they show all the options, not just the neat high performance ones. But unfortunately, the GM of Canada docs can't prove the original drivetrain components like a POP will. I guess it's a personal preference of which documentation you want with a car. POP shows the drivetrain stamping information, Window sticker and GM of Canada docs shows options(GM of Canada shows delivery date and dealer as well), broadcast sheet shows individual component codes. Did you ever check the engine for the partial vin by the oil filter flange? Even if the engine code stamping up top is hard to read, the matching partial VIN proves the original engine(assuming it isn't a restamp).

okiemark, yes its me, sneaking around trying to keep you guys honest :)

Man this sounds great im still waiting to find out what we have here...

Man this sounds great im still waiting to find out what we have here...

Skeeter, what he has is already been documented.....the bonus for Okie here might be that he finds the original first 2 owners/ the cars registration history in Ontario and from that he may get some trinkets (or not) from the previous owners.....I just love the research part that comes along w/ our passion.....nice to see you pop in here George....keep up the great work!!

the main trinkets are the original motor, tranny and rear end! anything else is gravy, as we say in the "lower 48". Gonna call Ontario and get the ball rolling today.

the main trinkets are the original motor, tranny and rear end! anything else is gravy, as we say in the "lower 48". Gonna call Ontario and get the ball rolling today. Mark this excellent news and you go for it :yes:. Man it would sure be nice standing in your shoes:thumbsup:.

Toronto is the center of the country and the rest of the country revolves around it!

Thats why the rest of the country loves to hate us!


That's not why. It's because you are all a bunch of idiots but have no idea. ;)

my thread has turned into a Canadian Civil War... the back bacon's gonna start flying. Watch out for that Molson bottle!!

my thread has turned into a Canadian Civil War... the back bacon's gonna start flying. Watch out for that Molson bottle!!


It's illegal to waste beer or disrespect a beer bottle up here....

I still have my original POP, the Chevrolet new vehicle Warranty booklet, the original bill of sale and about 4 years of maintenance bills, for my 1969 Z/28 that I purchased on August 13, 1969 from Maurice Carter Chevrolet in Hamilton, Ontario.
I owned it for 4 years. It was my first car out of college. I have no idea where the car is and I did post it in the Orphans section on the CRG. If it is still out there I bet the owner would love to have this paperwork.
It was a pretty rare car. Flat hood, no console or guages, radio delete, no Tach, and a gas guage where the tack should have been. Style trim and D80 was all it had. Rallye green on black 355 rear gears as well.
I have never tried to find out if it is still out there. The last time I saw it it was on a trailer and was an all out race car, no street use.
Hundreds of Camaros were sold from Maurice Carters in 69.

I still have my original POP, the Chevrolet new vehicle Warranty booklet, the original bill of sale and about 4 years of maintenance bills, for my 1969 Z/28 that I purchased on August 13, 1969 from Maurice Carter Chevrolet in Hamilton, Ontario.
I owned it for 4 years. It was my first car out of college. I have no idea where the car is and I did post it in the Orphans section on the CRG. If it is still out there I bet the owner would love to have this paperwork.
It was a pretty rare car. Flat hood, no console or guages, radio delete, no Tach, and a gas guage where the tack should have been. Style trim and D80 was all it had. Rallye green on black 355 rear gears as well.
I have never tried to find out if it is still out there. The last time I saw it it was on a trailer and was an all out race car, no street use.
Hundreds of Camaros were sold from Maurice Carters in 69.

Brian, if you still have the VIN...could you not buy a "used vehicle package"? and maybe just maybe, you may find out if its still registered and if so to whom. I would kill to have all that paper work for my car.

You know I just might try to search it. For the small fee it might be a lot of fun to find the current owner. I bet he would fall on his face when I told him what I had.
I haven't purchased a used car in years. What is the fee for the package now?
Edit I just checked and it is 20 bucks. It is called a UVIP Used Vehicle Information package.
It will also tell you if their are any Liens and loans against the vehicle. I will definitely get one!

That is just amazing to have all the history on your car... I don't have anything other then a X11 with my BBC in it :yes:. So its just another Camaro :beers:.

"So, it's just another Camaro"... that's what I keep telling people, but they keep going on and on about that car of yours with the wrong color stripes.

"So, it's just another Camaro"... that's what I keep telling people, but they keep going on and on about that car of yours with the wrong color stripes. Mark all i need to do is paint my white stripes black and bower your X66 tag and ill be all good:yes::beers::hurray::thumbsup:.

Skip, if you're gonna put stripes over the hood and deck (Z-28 stripes) on Hugger, I like white.

Skip, if you're gonna put stripes over the hood and deck (Z-28 stripes) on Hugger, I like white. OK!!! But can i still borrow the X66 tag:yes:. Any new updates yet.

no updates.

To get back to the original question..... of course Canadian docs add value to any Camaro. Nothing like a factory backup!!!

the only thing I fear from a Canadian sold car is tin worms

I think I would rather have a car from the SW without all the issues that the salt and humidity provide