DJD,
I think Dave was expressing his opinion on the 2010 Yenko not trying to start a war. I think that there should be an open diologue regarding the 2010 Yenko Camaro since there are several members here that do not belong to the SYC site. I think it is a good discussion and I for one would like to hear others opinions on this project.

DJD, not trying to start a forum war, sorry if I implied that. I am just curious what members here think of the concept of an "sYc" endorsed 2010 Yenko Camaro and if it would be a purchase option/desire of theirs. Dave

Seems like they are having a pretty open and honest discussion on the Yenko site.

I would think that anyone that was interested would go there and check it out?

It seems like anytime something is posted here...it degrades to a point of stupidity?:beers:

Bruce,
If the posts here degrade to the point of stupidity, than why are you posting here? I don't disagree that there is a good discussion going on the SYC but there are others who have an opinion that do not post on the SYC. The posts are very candid over there and here should be no different. Arent people entitled to their opinions good or bad?

Bruce, what is your opinion on the project? I just thought since Camaros.net has 10's of thousands more users, there are that many more opinions. I have owned 2 2002 ZL-1 camaros, and a 2001 Earnhardt Camaro, and now own a 2010 2SS orange Camaro I purchased from Clint's dealership. One of the main reasons I purchased those cars was they were backed and endorsed by GM, and GMMG. I am seriously interested in another "converted" 2010 Camaro. The orange one is my wifes. :) :) Clint, your dealership should do some mods!! Just seems odd to me that a website would fabricate/sell a Yenko Camaro?

Clint...i will not get into a knock down and drag out here...as I don't operate that way...

I was pointing out that there is already a discussion going on over on the Yenko site...that's it!

And I am able to post my opinion...yes?

Or no...if it's different than yours?:confused:

And if I am wrong...then why do the posts get deleted?:beers:

By the way. I thnkithat it's cool that people are getting excited about the new Camaros in general...I wouldn't have guessed that there would be some many people wanting to modify them would happen...so that's awesome.

By the way Dave...I've seen some of your cars via some of the websites...and they are cool!

So take it for what it's worth...my opinion...and I will leave it at that:thumbsup:

From my perspective there seems to be a large amount of posting here that is nothing more than "I can't say it on yenko.net so I'll go to TC and post it!". That's not what this site is here for and not what this forum is for. To talk about a 2010 yenko is one thing, to challange folks and gossip like school girls isn't going to cut it! The thread I deleted was worded in just such a way, it was a negative attack of someone and was looking for support against what is happening on another site. This forum has already been removed from use once because it was abused. It was put back after an agreement between several sites was reached that none of the sites involved would permit using the forums as a sounding board (being polite) for what is happening on the other sites!

I don't like associating post count with credibility but within this forum I see folks that have been signed up for years and only have a few posts to their credit, it causes me to raise an eyebrow. In all fairness I go looking to see what and where they have participated in. When I see most of the posts are in what the moderators call the "dumpster" or have been closed what am I to think?

Please read the sticky post at the top of this forum before replying further on this. It's more proof some feel TC is only here for them to say what they can't say somewhere else!

Sorry if this sounds harsh!

Bruce,
There is nothing in any of my posts on this thread that suggest that I am looking for a knock down drag out is there? Your comment about posts "degrading to the point of stupidity" seems to be the comment that would inspire a pissing match. I am not going to go negative on this thread and never intended to. So, you did not simply come here to point out there was already a discussion on the SYC, you just had to throw in a worthless comment. Dont even bother to reply, lets just move on with the thread.

Dennis, no problem here, and yes it does sound harsh. :) I fit your "profile" as I have only 33 posts in 4 years. I will try to post more to get my credibility ranking higher. :) I don't know it all so I tend to read the posts here, rather than post, and learn what I can. Sorry for starting the thread. I just got caught up in the audacity of a site to produce a 2010 Yenko Supercar. I have a tendency to call out BS when I see it. Dave

Thanks Dennis!:beers:

Seems like they are having a pretty open and honest discussion on the Yenko site.

I would think that anyone that was interested would go there and check it out?

It seems like anytime something is posted here...it degrades to a point of stupidity?:beers:

If everyone was allowed there that is. Many people have been kicked off for expressing their opinions.

Rich

From my perspective there seems to be a large amount of posting here that is nothing more than "I can't say it on yenko.net so I'll go to TC and post it!". That's not what this site is here for and not what this forum is for. To talk about a 2010 yenko is one thing, to challange folks and gossip like school girls isn't going to cut it! The thread I deleted was worded in just such a way, it was a negative attack of someone and was looking for support against what is happening on another site. This forum has already been removed from use once because it was abused. It was put back after an agreement between several sites was reached that none of the sites involved would permit using the forums as a sounding board (being polite) for what is happening on the other sites!

I don't like associating post count with credibility but within this forum I see folks that have been signed up for years and only have a few posts to their credit, it causes me to raise an eyebrow. In all fairness I go looking to see what and where they have participated in. When I see most of the posts are in what the moderators call the "dumpster" or have been closed what am I to think?

Please read the sticky post at the top of this forum before replying further on this. It's more proof some feel TC is only here for them to say what they can't say somewhere else!

Sorry if this sounds harsh!


No offense Dennis, but it seems a bit protectionist to only allow one view to be presented.

I think it is a valid discussion point, if you are going to be selling "yenko" 2010 camaros, questions should be asked. Does the SYC have legal rights to the name anyway?

Seems like a money grab to me.

Respectfully,

Rich

I was just looking for the 2010 Berger Camaro. I thought they were to have one at the Berger Chevy car show today?

I found this on their web site.......quote

"Please come and join us at Berger Chevrolet in Grand Rapids, where performance is still very much alive! Yes, Yenko, Nicky, Dana, Baldwin-Motion and Fred Gibb Chevrolet are sadly long gone, but Berger Chevrolet is still very much in business. Berger is still owned and operated by the Berger family as it has been since 1925, one of the oldest family owned Chevrolet dealerships in the United States!"

It is true that Yenko, Nickey, Dana, and Fred Gibb Chevrolet are gone but Motion Performance is still alive.
Motion is supposed to do a 2010 Camaro. They show one on their web site.
Baldwin Auto Sales closed but Joel Rosen "Mr Motion" can still build new cars.

No offense Dennis, but it seems a bit protectionist to only allow one view to be presented.

I think it is a valid discussion point, if you are going to be selling "yenko" 2010 camaros, questions should be asked. Does the SYC have legal rights to the name anyway?

Seems like a money grab to me.

Respectfully,

Rich

Has nothing to do with being one sided or only wanting to hear the views I support. There has been an ongoing issue which I believe I covered quite well. Team Camaro is not a sub-forum of yenko.net and we will not tolerate anyone using it as such.

I was just looking for the 2010 Berger Camaro. I thought they were to have one at the Berger Chevy car show today?

I found this on their web site.......quote

"Please come and join us at Berger Chevrolet in Grand Rapids, where performance is still very much alive! Yes, Yenko, Nicky, Dana, Baldwin-Motion and Fred Gibb Chevrolet are sadly long gone, but Berger Chevrolet is still very much in business. Berger is still owned and operated by the Berger family as it has been since 1925, one of the oldest family owned Chevrolet dealerships in the United States!"

It is true that Yenko, Nickey, Dana, and Fred Gibb Chevrolet are gone but Motion Performance is still alive.
Motion is supposed to do a 2010 Camaro. They show one on their web site.
Baldwin Auto Sales closed but Joel Rosen "Mr Motion" can still build new cars.


Joe, one of my buddies is getting a new 2010 Berger Camaro. Should be awesome....

Looks like performance mods for the new Camaro are definitely not in short supply...:beers:

The Berger cars are one of the few that are closest to legit IMO,

Even then, I'd like to see some sponsorship of cars, drivers and races. "Prove" your car is the baddest new Camaro around!

Even the guys using names like discussed here, could make a "name" for themselves and their cars just like was done in the old days. Be the baddest car on the block!

At least Nickey seems to be actively working performance parts, I'll give them that.

Let's see some cars on the track! :)

Rich

Bruce,
What does the 2010 Berger Camaro look like? Have not found a picture of it yet.

My brother is thinking of buying a 2010 Camaro. He still has a 69 that he had since high school.

I suggested some type of special built version.
(I said Motion Camaro but he said kinda expensive) :)

The 2010 Indy 500 pace Camaro is OK looking but not sure if you can still buy one.

Berger and Tom Henry have long and cool history.

Tom Henry Chevy has been selling a Camaro special since 2001 and has a nice history page on their web site. Some cool old pictures there.

...quote By 2001, it was selling "upfitted" Chevys on a "second-sticker" basis. The first was a hot rod Camaro, the "Tom Henry SS". Thirty-two were built in 2001 and 2002. Each had a modified LS1 engine along with special wheels and tires and customized interior and exterior.

web site link....
http://www.tomhenryracing.com/whoare/default.htm

Joe, here are a few from yesterday. These were taken by someone on the new generation Camaro5 forum...



http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b156/lotsayenkopics/Berger%202010%20Camaro/attachment-1.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b156/lotsayenkopics/Berger%202010%20Camaro/attachment-2.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b156/lotsayenkopics/Berger%202010%20Camaro/attachment-3.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b156/lotsayenkopics/Berger%202010%20Camaro/attachment.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b156/lotsayenkopics/Berger%202010%20Camaro/SDC13271.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b156/lotsayenkopics/Berger%202010%20Camaro/SDC13269.jpg

I hope that this helps...:thumbsup:

I like the blacked out grill, I could live without the baby blue bowtie's though. :)

Did they say what sticker was on the berger ss ?

Rich

thanks for the pics Bruce

I think that is just a standard SS Camaro with Berger decal and emblem and black out treatment?

been trying to figure out what stripe option is available from Chevy
found this info ....quote

This is JohnnyCamaro-AKA John Cox from GM Accessories and I wanted everyone to know what exact colors we will be offering for the stripe packages.

For the Rally Stripes we have:
Black
Orange
Silver
Cyber Gray
White

For the Hood and Hockey Stripe Package (includes decklid as well)
Black
Gray
White

All of the above will be available as an RPO code on the initial dealer order guide and on the window sticker or as an over the counter GM Accessory for after the purchase of the vehicle.

For those who only want Hockey Stripes and not the hood and decklid piece they will be available as an over the counter accessory to purchase as well.

The factory will have the rally stripes as an option in white and cyber gray on top level vehicles. The same colors and stripes are available as an LPO for the lower trimmed vehicles. In addition, we have LPO's of the rally stripe in other colors. The hood and hockey stripe package is only available as an LPO through GM Accessories.

Joe, I had talked to a few people who ordered their cars with the rally stripes, and for some reason the dealer had to install them? They were white stripes. Mine came with the white stripes applied from the factory. Not sure why some do and some don't. I also got the hockey stripes, but the dealer did have to install those. I would post a pic, but don't know how on this site?

.......

At least Nickey seems to be actively working performance parts, I'll give them that.

Let's see some cars on the track! :)

Rich

Personally I like the look of 2010 Nikey Camaro better. I have seen one up close at the PPG Nationals this year in Columbus Ohio. It was yellow too.

JMO but it is up to the buyer to decide how he/she wishes to view these cars. There will always be differences in opinion. Will these cars become the Supercars of tomorrow? Who knows. I guess you just need to spend the money now and wait and see. Myself, I would rather buy another 1st Gen.:yes:

Here is the Nikey Camaro.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/z282nv/2009GoodguysPPGNationals129.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/z282nv/2009GoodguysPPGNationals130.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/z282nv/2009GoodguysPPGNationals131.jpg

I like the grill stripe on the proposed 2010 Tom Henry rendition:

http://www.camarohomepage.com/THRSS/693.04.jpg

Still wish someone would get rid of that slit on the nose though.....

Rich

I like the stripe on the Motion Camaro. At least it is different then the stock stripe options from Chevy.

http://www.officialbaldwinmotion.com/camaro_red.htm

http://www.69lm1.com/pics/motion2010.jpg


Hoods pretty cool too....

Rich

I like the Tom Henry. They have an almost 50 year dealer history and been quietly building a 8 year history of special built cars.

This is 2010 Centennial Edition Indy Camaro is also interesting.

Victory Red SS RS package with a Sep 9 2009 delivery pick up at Indy that includes a
lap of the track

Maybe still time to get in on one.


http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39636

Joe, the above pics are indeed that of a Berger Special Camaro...

Only 20 will be made...and my friends will be number 20!:beers:

On camaro5.com they say only 24 of the 2010 Centennial Edition Indy Camaro will be made.

How about a 2010 Camaro Transformers Special Edition

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/22/2010-transformers-special-edition-chevy-camaro-unveiled/

The 2010 Chevrolet Camaro TRANSFORMERS Special Edition includes the following:

* AUTOBOT® shield on the driver and passenger side panels
* AUTOBOT® shield on each of the four wheel's center cap
* AUTOBOT® shield embroidered on interior center console
* "TRANSFORMERS" logo on driver and passenger doors' sill plates
* "TRANSFORMERS" logo embedded into the hood rally stripes
* High-gloss black center rally stripe package
* Manufacturer's suggested retail price of package: $995

Does not include a date with Megan Fox

From what I've heard the Berger edition Camaros will be ~ $56k?:thumbsup:

Anybody know what the diff phases of the Nickey's will cost?

The berger price puts it in an affordable range for many.

Rich

Over on yellow bullet.com forums trash or be trashed they just posted pics of nickey chicagos 2010 yenko camaro .check it out .

The Nickey Camaros Start at approx $14,000.00 for a Stage I and can go up to $60,000.00 or more for a Stage III Nickey Super Camaro. It really just depends on what you want. Our Stages are a guideline but nothing is set in stone. (A Stage II Starts at $18,300.00.)

There are posts which may lead people to believe that the New Nickey Chicago has no connection to the old Nickey Chevrolet and that is just not the case!

A) We have the support of the Stephani Family, who were the last owners of Nickey Chevrolet. It was their tenure which brought the dealership and speed shop much acclaim.

B) We have Don Swiatek the one and only Hi-Performance Manager who's department was responsible for all the Hi-Po parts and Conversion cars working with us as a paid consultant.

C) We have Ronnie Kaplan of RKE engineering who was the hired gun crew chief who helped start the Nickey Chevrolet Roadracing program back in 1957 until Nickey pulled out of racing also working as a consultant as well.

D) We also have the support of the Bill Thomas Family (Bill recently passed R.I.P.).

We have other Individuals who were involved with Nickey Chevrolet either directly or indirectly working with us as well.

While I personally had no direct involvement with Nickey Chevrolet (other than my Dad dragging down there to purchase the required parts for the project of the day) some of the people who work with us do have very strong ties to Nickey Chevrolet.

It is no secret that we have tried to copy/follow the formula of what Nickey Chevrolet did back in its heyday with the New Nickey Chicago.

I can understand that what we are doing is not everyone's cup of tea, it is however what we are passionate about and it is the friendship and comradery of our customers as well as the Nickey enthusiasts who patronize our business, which make it all worth while.

Stop by and take a look at what we are doing this November 21 and 22 at the Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals (MCACN). We'll be right across from the Mr. Norms Garage display so you can get a first hand dose of the Norm VS Nickey rivalry started in the 1960s.

Personally I like them all. Not all of us has the means to lay down six figures for one of the originals from back in the day and if there are companies out there like Nickey willing to build these 21st century muscle cars then why the hell not.. You handfull of guys fortunate enough to have an original should stop bitching. I doubt very much that a 2010 Camaro with anyones name on it, famous or otherwise, is going to affect the value of your museum piece one little bit.

Is someone out there selling 2010 Yenkos or are they fakes. I mean just some stripe kit that you put on your self ? I just ask because the car dealership where my son works has one sitting there waiting for a Magna charger to be put on.

Thanks for the update, Stefano.
the November show, is that the one formerly known as vettefest, at the rosemont convention center?

South Side gang, you out there? Who want to join me at a car show?

Hello Jim,

It is a DIFFERENT all new show, open to all Makes and Models. The focus is on original and restored Muscle Cars, Race Cars and Corvettes. It will take place at the same time and location as the VF from last Fall.

Bob Ashton is the managing partner and he has done a tremendous job of getting some great cars on display, for our enjoyment.

There will be approx. 400 cars on display in the climate controlled Stephens Center in Rosemont.

Hope to see you there!

For those who would like to see our 2010 Yenko/SC 427 Camaro up close, it will be on display at the MCACN show in Chicago, along with many other cool cars.

You will indeed be able to see various Stages of Gen 5 Nickey cars along with some "Old School" Nickey cars along with the 2010 Yenko/427 mentioned above and also offerings from Berger Chevrolet, all under one roof at the Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals, and you will be able to talk to those who are directly involved, from Stefano to the engine builders and suspension people to, well...you get the idea.

As Stefano mentioned, the show will also feature a big Mr. Norms display, with Mr. Norm himself as part of the show, sitting behind his original desk! Chicago History in the making!

This is just a sample of what we have in store. Please check out our website and see over 200 of the cars that have entered and sign up for updates on what we are doing.

Thanks;

Bashton
Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals
Managing Member
www.mcacn.com

Anybody know what the diff phases of the Nickey's will cost?

Rich

The 5th Generation Nickey Camaros are built in 3 Stages not Phases.

A little known fact is that Vince Piggens, Bill Thomas and Nickey Chevrolet actually penned out an outline and a formal dealer "Kit" for other Chevy Dealers to use, in order to create an in house speed shop/profit center, much like what Nickey Chevrolet had pioneered. Don Swiatek actually held seminars to help promote the concept.

According to Don Swiatek, Baldwin Chevrolet was one of the dealers who had sent out one of their representatives, to one of his early seminars, as well as to take a look at the overall Nickey operation. Based on what they saw, the Three Stages of Nickeys were changed to Phases and used to describe the various options on Baldwin/Motion and the later Motion built cars.

Also; Dale Berger, owner of Berger Chevrolet hired a Nickey Hi-Po parts employee, Jim Oconner from the Nickey Speed shop, in order to start thier very own Hi-Performance parts dept/ speed shop.

Anyway, we follow the Original Nickey Chevrolet theme, Stage I, Stage II and Stage III.

According to Don Swiatek, Baldwin Chevrolet was one of the dealers who had sent out one of their representatives, to one of his early seminars, as well as to take a look at the overall Nickey operation. Based on what they saw, the Three Stages of Nickeys were changed to Phases and used to describe the various options on Baldwin/Motion and the later Motion built cars.




Motion did not use Phase I, II, and III the way Nickey used Stage I, Stage II and Stage III .

Motion used "Phase III" as a name. They had a Corvette Phase III GT, Phase III Camaro, Phase III Super CD ignition, Phase III Publications, etc

Phase III was painted on some of the cars as part of the stripe option and Phase III decal was used on some.

The new Motion 1969 Camaro (2005) was sold as a SS-427 Phase III and a Phase III 540

BTW What year did the new Nickey Chicago open?

We have information back to 1925 for the Original Nickey Chevrolet, but it may have been founded earlier. It was originaly called Nickey's.

The speed shop was opened in 1973 when the dealership was sold and became Keystone Chevrolet.

The New Nickey Chicago, Inc. was incorporated in 2005.

Joel already had his shop and speed parts department why would he need to send someone to be schooled on what was already in place.And while we're on the subject of familys I think people get a little confused on the current Bill Thomas/Nickey relationship.It is Bill Thomas Jr. NOT Bill Thomas Sr. that you have had dealings with.Bill Thomas Sr. WAS/IS the owner of Bill Thomas Enterprises not Bill Thomas Jr his son.

The 5th Generation Nickey Camaros are built in 3 Stages not Phases.

A little known fact is that Vince Piggens, Bill Thomas and Nickey Chevrolet actually penned out an outline and a formal dealer "Kit" for other Chevy Dealers to use, in order to create an in house speed shop/profit center, much like what Nickey Chevrolet had pioneered. Don Swiatek actually held seminars to help promote the concept.

According to Don Swiatek, Baldwin Chevrolet was one of the dealers who had sent out one of their representatives, to one of his early seminars, as well as to take a look at the overall Nickey operation. Based on what they saw, the Three Stages of Nickeys were changed to Phases and used to describe the various options on Baldwin/Motion and the later Motion built cars.

Also; Dale Berger, owner of Berger Chevrolet hired a Nickey Hi-Po parts employee, Jim Oconner from the Nickey Speed shop, in order to start thier very own Hi-Performance parts dept/ speed shop.

Anyway, we follow the Original Nickey Chevrolet theme, Stage I, Stage II and Stage III.

Thanks for clarifing, and listing prices......



Rich

Joel already had his shop and speed parts department why would he need to send someone to be schooled on what was already in place.And while we're on the subject of familys I think people get a little confused on the current Bill Thomas/Nickey relationship.It is Bill Thomas Jr. NOT Bill Thomas Sr. that you have had dealings with.Bill Thomas Sr. WAS/IS the owner of Bill Thomas Enterprises not Bill Thomas Jr his son.

I think Steve said Baldwin Chevrolet sent a representative, not Motion Performance. I don't know when the Baldwin and Motion relationship began, but even if it was already in place, it would be prudent to investigate taking it in-house. Any prudent business owner should periodically re-evaluate the make vs. buy decision.

I think Steve said Baldwin Chevrolet sent a representative, not Motion Performance. I don't know when the Baldwin and Motion relationship began, but even if it was already in place, it would be prudent to investigate taking it in-house. Any prudent business owner should periodically re-evaluate the make vs. buy decision.

:thumbsup:

This is from another thread, but really belongs here.

I keep seeing the Yenko family is involved ? Hope (Dons wife) hasn't been involved in anything since the first reunion.The daughters are not involved besides one going to 1 or 2 shows.Are you saying that Hope and the daughters were involved in the concept and design of this new 2010 camaro? It's my understanding she,the one daughter, was sent pictures and said she liked it?





The Yenko family is well aware of what is going on in regards to the Yenko name. For the past several years they have come to rely on me to keep them updated on what is going on in the world in regards to Yenko. I exchange emails with them on a regular basis, and on occasion, visit with them by telephone. Recently our visits have been on a more personal note, the passing of Donna Mae Mims.

When the sYc first considered doing a new Camaro, which was 2-3 years ago, when it became apparent GM was going to release a new Camaro, they were the first to hear of the project, the first to voice their opinions. Had they not approved of the project, we would not be having this discussion.

The oldest daughter Lynn has really taken an interest in the project, to the point of expressing an interest in owing one. Lynn is not stranger to high performance cars, as she spent her teenage years working at the dealership, even applying stripes to a few cars. If that were not cool enough, she often times went to the races with her dad. Lynn has attended a couple of SCRs as well as Chevy Vettefest. If she can work it into her busy schedule, she will make a guest appearance in the sYc display area at the upcoming MCACN show.

I have stated on many occasions that I feel the Yenko family is entitled to compensation for the use of the Yenko name, which the family is well aware of. This includes any new Camaro project. For the past 12 years I feel the sYc has treated the Yenko family fairly in regards to the use of the Yenko name, and will continue to do so in the future.

Regarding any legal actions, IMO it would better serve all interested parties to work together, but that is up to GMCI and their representatives. Though they do have the Yenko name well registered, thus have some legal rights, I feel the Yenko family has legal rights as well, and as along as the sYc has the Yenko family's support, we will continue doing business as usual.

For those who might be interested in having a 2010 Camaro built in the style of Yenko cars of the past, as I am having done, we can legally do it.

It really suprises me that not one Yenko family member was at the SCR reunion this year for your unveiling of YOUR new YENKO 2010 camaro.No matter how busy I am ,don't you think it odd that you were unveiling a brand new 2010 Camaro in her husbands/fathers name or honor and no one showed up? No one representing Yenko!!! I made a bet with another member here that after this subject came up I gauranteed you'd say one of the family members might show up at Chicago.We were both right.You can build as many Yenko camaros you want but to lead everyone to believe you have FULL backing and financial contracts with the whole Yenko FAMILY is what I'd call missuse of the word Family.Again build all you want but your doing it not the family.

Rob in our '69, Jonathan in our 2010, getting ready to do battle at the Supercar Reunion.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h36/oboym/scr11233.jpg


Past and present.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a146/ameyers215/SCR12028.jpg

Some more pics from our reunion.

Origianl owner ZL-1, Ken Barnhart.

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/SCR12/Plowman034.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h36/oboym/scr11031.jpg


From Byrne Brothers. Frank and Caleb Arone

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h36/oboym/scr11184.jpg


Hassett's '68 Motion Camaro.
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h36/oboym/scr11307.jpg

It really suprises me that not one Yenko family member was at the SCR reunion this year for your unveiling of YOUR new YENKO 2010 camaro.No matter how busy I am ,don't you think it odd that you were unveiling a brand new 2010 Camaro in her husbands/fathers name or honor and no one showed up? No one representing Yenko!!! I made a bet with another member here that after this subject came up I gauranteed you'd say one of the family members might show up at Chicago.We were both right.You can build as many Yenko camaros you want but to lead everyone to believe you have FULL backing and financial contracts with the whole Yenko FAMILY is what I'd call missuse of the word Family.Again build all you want but your doing it not the family.


If you had bothered to do your homework you would have known that Lynn very much wanted to attend the reunion, but she started a new job days before the event, thus was unable to attend.. Also, Donna Mae, who was very excited about the 2010 Yenko as well, had made plans to attend, but due to health reasons, cancelled at the last minute.

Come to the show with Dave, didn't he post somewhere he would be there with his '67?. If Lynn is able to make the event, feel free to stop by and ask her in person her thoughts.


Seems everyone has an opinion about what is best for the Yenko name, but do they really have a clue, or care about what is really important? Seems all most folks care about is making $$$ or stopping someone else from making $$$. The reason I say this, recently Donna Mae Mims passed away, who IMO was almost as instrumental in the development of Yenko cars as Don. And unless I missed something, outside of the world of Corvettes, the sYc was the only group to give Donna Mae the respect she deserved. On our site the club kept the world updated on her failing heath, and ultimately, her funeral arrangements. Many members expressed their feelings online. A group from the sYc attended her visitation while others attended her funeral service. Following her service, several club members discussed various ways to honor the memory of Donna Mae and what she meant to our hobby. All of this not for fame and fortune, but because it was the right thing to do.

Timmy, you and your gang have benefited greatly from the use of the Yenko name, was this with permission? Did you compensate them?

Pete Gerling's Yenko

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/SCR12/Plowman038.jpg


Dru's Camaro.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h36/oboym/scr11178.jpg


Bimbi's Nickey Camaro taking on Barnhart's ZL-1. A couple of potent 427s.

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QUOTE:Timmy, you and your gang have benefited greatly from the use of the Yenko name, was this with permission? Did you compensate them?

Tommy show me where I made money on the Yenko name.Scott pays for the website no one donates money to that.We don't charge membership fees or parts or car sales fees it's all free.My show doesn't make any money off the Yenko name.I think I sold 20 black & chrome emblems in 12 years.Sold some tachs and gauges using the name as a keyword.Helped people sell their cars.No more than anyone else.I'm not building cars for sale!!! As for Dave he's already been told he's not welcome to Chicago and it's not for a shortness of space.This is about you building 2010 YENKO camaros with the so called familys permission not about pictures of cars,Dave,Donna Mae or anything else your clouding the issue with all this other stuff.Again build as many as you want and make as much money as you want your deal,but just make it clear what the family involvement is.When you say family its not the family just one interested daughter.I know from Mr Norm,Carroll,Joel,Helen Valerie,Tasca etc. there were pre-designs,contracts,concepts etc.

I take that as a no, that you have not asked permission nor compensated anyone. No problem, just making a point.

And IMO this should be about pictures of cars and Donna Mae, not this sort of bickering B.S.

Again this isn't about compensation it's about you making a blanket statement over the Yenko family gave you permission.It's clear now what you meant.Again build as many as you want make money if you can I'm not against you doing what your going to do.I just was curious as to the familys commitment to the project.

One other thing that I see is that if I understand it correctly, Nickey Chicago will be building these Yenko's and badging them as such.

Would'nt that make them Nickey Camaro "Yenko" clones :)



Rich

They also build a "Fred Gibb Camaro"?

Poor old Don is spinning in his grave.
I hope he has a drive shaft loop so he doesn't wreck it :)

[QUOTE=sYc;1313216]

And unless I missed something, outside of the world of Corvettes, the sYc was the only group to give Donna Mae the respect she deserved. On our site the club kept the world updated on her failing heath, and ultimately, her funeral arrangements. Many members expressed their feelings online. A group from the sYc attended her visitation while others attended her funeral service. Following her service, several club members discussed various ways to honor the memory of Donna Mae and what she meant to our hobby. All of this not for fame and fortune, but because it was the right thing to do.

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I posted on Team Camaro and Team Chevelle on Donna Mae's passing.
They recieved some nice replys
RIP Donna Mae

One other thing that I see is that if I understand it correctly, Nickey Chicago will be building these Yenko's and badging them as such.

Would'nt that make them Nickey Camaro "Yenko" clones :)



Rich

It is interesting and part of their History that Nickey Chevrolet did sell Yenko Cars. They were a dealer for the Yenko Stingers. Donna Mae drove a Stinger right into the service department to show off the Stinger and sign them up.

Donna Mae was definitely an integral part of Yenko Sports Cars, Inc.

It is also, ironic that the very First Yenko Sponsored 427 Camaro was actually originally built as Nickey Camaro, at Nickey Chevrolet.

There was quite a bit of collaboration amongst the key Super Car players back in the day......Grumpy Jenkins, Vinny Tarantola (Vitar), Yenko, Gibb, Dana, Bill Thomas, Dick Harrell and Nickey etc..........

As far at the misinformation regarding the Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals show; I have been informed by the managing member that "Dave" asked for his pending application and entry fee to be returned to him as he decided not to participate.

We are just finishing up a MCACN meeting and we do have room for a few more cars...Looking for a '69 Buick GS Stage 1 and a 1969 Olds W30.

It is interesting and part of their History that Nickey Chevrolet did sell Yenko Cars. ................
It is also, ironic that the very First Yenko Sponsored 427 Camaro was actually originally built as Nickey Camaro, at Nickey Chevrolet.


Cool. Learn something new all the time.

What year was that Camaro? Was it actually marketed as a Yenko or a Nickey?

Like I said, (not that my opinion is worth anything) but I have gone from skeptical(sp) to impressed with what you are doing with Nickey.

Rich

It is also, ironic that the very First Yenko Sponsored 427 Camaro was actually originally built as Nickey Camaro, at Nickey Chevrolet.


I am not sure where the cars were bought but there were two 1967 Yenko/Harrell Sponsored 427 Camaro drag cars.
The drivers were Gene R. and Mike G. and they may have also owned the cars.

There was also an early 1967 Z/28 drag car with Yenko SportsCars as sponsor.

Dick Harrell built and tested the early 427 Camaro drag cars with Bill Thomas and Nickey then later in 1967 worked with Yenko. He set an AHRA record with one of the Yenko sponsored 427 Cars and that was used in one of the Yenko ads.

What is interesting is that DH claimed in his 1969 ads that the Dick Harrell Performance Center is
"home of the original 427 Camaro"

Motion Yenko Harrell Dana Nickey Thomas and the others were all working on their first Camaros and probably watching what the others did similar to all the people building the new Camaros today.

Funny thing at one of the shows, I asked Joel about Yenko and he smiled and said "who was that?". He was joking but I got the feeling there was a little competive edge in his voice.

Here's a crazy idea why don't you build these performance cars and put your own names on them not yenko,baldwin,nickey or what ever blast from the past you c
an dig up be original like they wer'e just my 2 cent's.

Here's a crazy idea why don't you build these performance cars and put your own names on them not yenko,baldwin,nickey or what ever blast from the past you c
an dig up be original like they wer'e just my 2 cent's.

In our case its because me along some of the key people who helped build the Nickey Legacy wanted to revive the Mark and try to have some fun along the way.

BTW, we'll build you what you want and you can put just about whatever name you want on it when its your own car!

You can take all the name plates and badges off our Camaros and they are still one bad ass Super Car.

The Yenko family is well aware of what is going on in regards to the Yenko name. For the past several years they have come to rely on me to keep them updated on what is going on in the world in regards to Yenko. I exchange emails with them on a regular basis, and on occasion, visit with them by telephone. Recently our visits have been on a more personal note, the passing of Donna Mae Mims.


The oldest daughter Lynn has really taken an interest in the project, to the point of expressing an interest in owing one. Lynn is not stranger to high performance cars, as she spent her teenage years working at the dealership, even applying stripes to a few cars.


Tom, can you clarify some of your comments?

In the above post you said "The Yenko family is well aware of what is going on in regards to the Yenko name.”

Then in another post you said of the Yenko family “They were quite surprised to learn that the rights to the Yenko name had been sold without their knowledge.”

You said you are keeping them updated but they didn’t know the Yenko name has been used for many years?

I spoke with John C. who has represented Don Yenko’s estate and is a long time friend of the family. We spoke mostly about Donna Mae, but John is well aware that the Yenko name is used for marketing products and die cast models over the years.

In the 2nd quote, Are you trying to say that Lynn worked on the original Yenko Super Camaros?

I have the 1987 newspaper obituary for Don that states the age of his daughters. If you do the math, they were 13 and 8 years old in 1969. Its hard to believe that 13 year old girls (or boys) were allowed to work on any of the 427 Camaros.
If she worked at Yenko’s at 16, she may have done something with the Yenko Stinger Vega?

Tom, can you clarify some of your comments?

In the above post you said "The Yenko family is well aware of what is going on in regards to the Yenko name.”

Then in another post you said of the Yenko family “They were quite surprised to learn that the rights to the Yenko name had been sold without their knowledge.”

You said you are keeping them updated but they didn’t know the Yenko name has been used for many years?

I spoke with John C. who has represented Don Yenko’s estate and is a long time friend of the family. We spoke mostly about Donna Mae, but John is well aware that the Yenko name is used for marketing products and die cast models over the years.

In the 2nd quote, Are you trying to say that Lynn worked on the original Yenko Super Camaros?

I have the 1987 newspaper obituary for Don that states the age of his daughters. If you do the math, they were 13 and 8 years old in 1969. Its hard to believe that 13 year old girls (or boys) were allowed to work on any of the 427 Camaros.
If she worked at Yenko’s at 16, she may have done something with the Yenko Stinger Vega?


Yes..though aware of things, they were suprised to learn the name had been sold. Weren't we all?

At our Annual Supercar Reunion, as a guest speaker at the banquet, Lynn told the crowd about spending time at the dealership, working along side her grandmother Martha and being paid to stripe cars.

Yes..though aware of things, they were suprised to learn the name had been sold. Weren't we all?


Yenko collectors knew this for over 10 years.

I have an envelope and catolog from Jan 1997 from Yenko Motorsports who sold Yenko emblems and licence plate frames and hats, tee shirts, etc.

They state in this literature that YENKO is a registered trademark licensed exclusively to Yenko Motorsports.

I remember disscussing this with other Yenko collectors over the years.

I'm not a trademark person myself but when Mr. "we didn't know" himself was clammering about the rights to the Fred Gibb trademark I went and looked that info up.David H abandoned everything Yenko in 95-96ish.I also found where you "Tom C" applied for the rights to the Yenko name trademark using magazine articles and show fliers in the app. to show he was using the trademark.You have to show use.That was about 2 or 3 years ago so you cannot say YOU did not know anything because you had to look at the current trademarks rights ownership to apply!!! Classic/Jeff has owned differant trademark rights to differant items since the 90's.

You all are missing my point, my comment was "the family was surprised to learn the name had been sold". When did ANYONE purchase the Yenko name from the family?

I'm not a trademark person myself but when Mr. "we didn't know" himself was clammering about the rights to the Fred Gibb trademark I went and looked that info up.David H abandoned everything Yenko in 95-96ish.I also found where you "Tom C" applied for the rights to the Yenko name trademark using magazine articles and show fliers in the app. to show he was using the trademark.You have to show use.That was about 2 or 3 years ago so you cannot say YOU did not know anything because you had to look at the current trademarks rights ownership to apply!!! Classic/Jeff has owned differant trademark rights to differant items since the 90's.

Leaving out a few details eh?;)

The sYc, not Tom C., did sumbit applications to the trademark office for the use of both sYc and YENKO, for use in racing events, the internet, license plates frames, emblems, etc. Now why in the world would the sYc do that?

Also noted, though it appears now we should have, do to costs involved, we did not follow though.

QUOTE:The sYc, not Tom C., did sumbit applications to the trademark office for the use of both sYc and YENKO

Who or what is the SYC I thought you put on a show and had a website? Is this a business or corporation or something?

QUOTE:The sYc, not Tom C., did sumbit applications to the trademark office for the use of both sYc and YENKO

Who or what is the SYC I thought you put on a show and had a website? Is this a business or corporation or something?

Glad you asked.

Who... The Yenko Sportscar Club, founded in January of 1998, with written permission from the Yenko family.

What..Dedicated to the promotion and preservation of the Chevrolet dealer built Supercars and COPO cars.

Yes..the club hosts a show, known as the Supercar Reunion, with many members pitching in to make it the special event it has become.

Yes. the club has a website, http://www.yenko.net ran by several members of the club, with many members adding input and useful information.

To date with over 8000 members.

Kind of cool..huh? :D

Tom,
Yes everyone knows what the syc is. that is the site you and your son rob run, with some help from a couple of other moderators?? But the BIGGER question is WHO calls the shots and makes the decisions for the club and website?? Would that be you and Rob as well? And the $1,000,000 question, who receives all the membership dues and donations and makes the decisions how they are used? I suspect that would be you and rob as well. If not, then feel free to enlighten me and thousands of others.

Tom,
Yes everyone knows what the syc is. that is the site you and your son rob run, with some help from a couple of other moderators?? But the BIGGER question is WHO calls the shots and makes the decisions for the club and website?? Would that be you and Rob as well? And the $1,000,000 question, who receives all the membership dues and donations and makes the decisions how they are used? I suspect that would be you and rob as well. If not, then feel free to enlighten me and thousands of others.


Playing dumb huh..like several others, after being banned from the site, you do not sneak around for a peek? ;)

Anyone who frequents the site knows how the club/site operates.

And judging by the numbers, seems to working quite well, wouldn/t you say?:thumbsup:

Oh tom;
So what if I or others take a peek. Afterall I do have some friends over there. And you can try to make this about me or Tim or anyone else, but it won't work this time.

The sYc, not Tom C., did sumbit applications to the trademark office for the use of both sYc and YENKO

The reason for the post was to show that YOU and ROB are the movers and shakers behind the SYC. So it must have been YOU or ROB who applied for this trademark and found it was held by others. So it seems that you are skirting the issue yet again and caught in a lie yet again.

Oh tom;
So what if I or others take a peek. Afterall I do have some friends over there. And you can try to make this about me or Tim or anyone else, but it won't work this time.

The sYc, not Tom C., did sumbit applications to the trademark office for the use of both sYc and YENKO

The reason for the post was to show that YOU and ROB are the movers and shakers behind the SYC. So it must have been YOU or ROB who applied for this trademark and found it was held by others. So it seems that you are skirting the issue yet again and caught in a lie yet again.

Let me see if I have this straight. After playing dumb, you admit to sneaking a peek at our site, thus knowing how the club operates. It comes out that is was indeed the sYc, not Tom C., that submitted the application, and I am the one who was caught in a lie(s)? WOW..now that is good...you guys politicians by any chance? ;)

Playing dumb huh..like several others, after being banned from the site, you do not sneak around for a peek? ;)

Anyone who frequents the site knows how the club/site operates.

And judging by the numbers, seems to working quite well, wouldn/t you say?:thumbsup:



Ahhhh yes, the dreaded ban. I am sure that he is one of only many...........

How about charging dues, banning someone and keeping the dues? Now that's a true hero of the musclecar world.

Rich

There are 18 cases listed on the gov. trademark site under a Yenko search

You need a trademark attorney to figure out who owns what today.
What is important is that it shows Yenko SportsCars had it registered in 1972.

Yenko SportsCars Inc. was Don's creation based on his racing success. He chose it as the company name for the manufacturer of the Yenko Stinger in 1966, used it for the Super Camaro and other projects, and used it for the 1981 Yenko Turbo Z.

Getting back to this thread subject "New Camaro".
It will be up to the customers to decide if they think a new Yenko is really one of Don Yenko's creations or just a name.

(APPLICANT) Yenko Sportscar Club CORPORATION MISSOURI PO Box 375 Alton MISSOURI 65606

This is you Tom you are from Alton Missouri.

Joe I have seen that comment on numerous occasions if you don't like it don't buy one.Again I don't see the FAMILY being involved in this project besides one daughter liking it.I believe a couple people wanted them for themselves and built them.It's a free country I guess but be clear on who is involved.It's no differant than me going and buying a 2010 and doing the same thing.Period.But then again it's none of our business.I just find it funny that a select group of people who had no involvement with Yenko Chevrolet whatsoever can do what they want with the name but noone else has a right to even if they own the rights to the trademark.I'm not getting the gist.It's like this site because they talk about camaros, building their own camaros,using Chevrolet emblems,names etc. and telling GM to take a hike?

"""Ahhhh yes, the dreaded ban. I am sure that he is one of only many...........

How about charging dues, banning someone and keeping the dues? Now that's a true hero of the musclecar world.

Rich""""



For folks who admit they hang around the site, you sure are forgetful of what you read there.

There is no fee to become a member of our site, unless you want to sell something. We do have a link where folks may donate, if they so desire. It is these donations, and sponsor's support, that gives you and others such a great place to hang out. Hard to stay away from the site..huh?:D

There are 18 cases listed on the gov. trademark site under a Yenko search

You need a trademark attorney to figure out who owns what today.
What is important is that it shows Yenko SportsCars had it registered in 1972.

Yenko SportsCars Inc. was Don's creation based on his racing success. He chose it as the company name for the manufacturer of the Yenko Stinger in 1966, used it for the Super Camaro and other projects, and used it for the 1981 Yenko Turbo Z.

Getting back to this thread subject "New Camaro".
It will be up to the customers to decide if they think a new Yenko is really one of Don Yenko's creations or just a name.

Joe..I agree on all accounts. :thumbsup:

Too bad it took a couple of horse beatings to get to this point. ;)

[QUOTE=MUSCLECARMAGMAN;1315342](APPLICANT) Yenko Sportscar Club CORPORATION MISSOURI PO Box 375 Alton MISSOURI 65606

This is you Tom you are from Alton Missouri.

QUOTE]

Got me...I confess..I am Tom Clary..from Alton, Missouri. :o :D

Tom,
I am really embarressed for you. You have really not done yourself any favors by posting replies in this or the Bill Thomas thread. Although satisfying to me, I can not see how any of this can benefit you. You truly look silly.

Anyway, I actually have a question? Were you comped anything on this 2010 Yenko Camaro clone project? The only reason I ask is because when you were involved in potentially endorsing the Yenko Wildfire Corvette project, you stated that you would endorse the project if you received a car at 1/3 the retail value. The project could not afford to do that so the project never got up on its feet. I think you even stated you would unvail the Wildfire project at the SCR. This is only second hand informatin that I received so I can not validate this claim but my opinion is that it is true. The only reason that I ask is because I would like to know if your motives to promote this car are financially driven. So, did you receive any sort of discount or will you be paying 100% of the buying public price?

[QUOTE=MUSCLECARMAGMAN;1315342](APPLICANT) Yenko Sportscar Club CORPORATION MISSOURI PO Box 375 Alton MISSOURI 65606

This is you Tom you are from Alton Missouri.

QUOTE]

Got me...I confess..I am Tom Clary..from Alton, Missouri. :o :D

Always with your word games. Kinda like what is the meaning of "is". As Clint said ' How sad" to have to resort to these word games.

For folks who admit they hang around the site, you sure are forgetful of what you read there.

There is no fee to become a member of our site, unless you want to sell something. We do have a link where folks may donate, if they so desire. It is these donations, and sponsor's support, that gives you and others such a great place to hang out. Hard to stay away from the site..huh?:D

Ummm, what is a fee if not dues? Either way, once one pays up, if in your "greatness" for the hobby you decide to kick them off because you do not like what Macneish wrote in a report, that was placed in said ad, don't you think the "Fee" "Dues" or "Donation" should be returned?


Rich

Tom,
I am really embarressed for you. You have really not done yourself any favors by posting replies in this or the Bill Thomas thread. Although satisfying to me, I can not see how any of this can benefit you. You truly look silly.

Anyway, I actually have a question? Were you comped anything on this 2010 Yenko Camaro clone project? The only reason I ask is because when you were involved in potentially endorsing the Yenko Wildfire Corvette project, you stated that you would endorse the project if you received a car at 1/3 the retail value. The project could not afford to do that so the project never got up on its feet. I think you even stated you would unvail the ildfire project at the SCR. This is only second hand informatin that I received so I can not validate this claim but my opinion is that it is true. The only reason that I ask is because I would like to know if your motives to promote this car are financially driven. So, did you receive any sort of discount or will you be paying 100% of the buying public price?

While I do appreciate your concern for me, "my embarrassment", the rest I feel is really none of your business. Sorry.

I think you answered my questions, thanks.

Speaking of new Camaros, I was at the drags last weekend and heard rumors of a new car on the horizon. Seems this car will be built by the RIGHTFUL trademark owners and will be built BY RACERS for SERIOUS PERFORMANCE for racers.

Ahhhh yes, the dreaded ban. I am sure that he is one of only many...........


We have to thank Team Camaro for providing the only place where anyone can come and express their opinon on the special built Camaros.

The mods have been very patient with allowing these threads that border on breaking the site rules.

Free speech is not always pretty but is better then banning and censorship.

I agree Joe. Thanks team camaro.

Must be the new ownership two thumbs up.(smiley face)

We have to thank Team Camaro for providing the only place where anyone can come and express their opinon on the special built Camaros.

The mods have been very patient with allowing these threads that border on breaking the site rules.

Free speech is not always pretty but is better then banning and censorship.


And hopefully it can be kept civil to keep the thread alive. Some good information here.

Rich

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/29/officially-rendered-2010-yenko-camaro/

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/29/officially-rendered-2010-yenko-camaro/

Lots of good info here. Hopefully we all can keep the verbal assault to a minimum. :beers:

I love the General Marketing Capital Incorporated (GMCI) 2010 Yenko Camaro project.
First class company & people involved with a legendary project such as this.
Fantastic! You have my vote!

Valerie Harrell
Daughter of Dickie Harrell
www.DickHarrellPerformanceCenter.com

Dick Harrell built and tested the early 427 Camarohttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2.gif (http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=164307&page=5#) drag cars with Bill Thomas and Nickey then later in 1967 worked with Yenko. He set an AHRA record with one of the Yenko sponsored 427 Cars and that was used in one of the Yenko ads.
Stephano post #33:
B) We have Don Swiatek the one and only Hi-Performance Manager who's department was responsible for all the Hi-Po parts and Conversion cars working with us as a paid consultant.


Not to say anyone could be right or wrong here. Dick Harrell was the one to get AHRA to post a class for the new 427 Camaros that were going to be built at Nickey from a letter he sent to Jim Tice in 1966. With the answer back from AHRA requesting there be 50 cars built. Also other ads saying Dickie Harrell will be at Nickey Chevrolet all year around to help you select the proper equipment. If Don Swiatek was the main man behind it all. Why did they need Dick? Dick not only worked with Yenko, he built over 20 cars for Don when he 1st started doing the conversions at Dicks St Loius shop then moving to KS. Including campaigning the Yenko funny car for 1967 that, just like the Nickey Nova, it promoted sales and personal hands on comunication with future owners. The 1 former Nickey Camaro you speak ofwas owned and raced by Mike Garfinkle whom you met at Vettefest in 07. Mike left with Dick when he went to Yenko. I guess that would have to make Dicks shop the home of the 427 Camaros, At that time he was responsible for more 427 Camaros than anyone.
I sincerely wish you good luck with your new Nickey cars, they look good and you have worked the name hard for it.
This next year ought to be a great year for Camaros. GMCI coming to the table should also bring some REAL quality cars
Best regards and thank Team Camaro for a very nice site. LL

Valerie - Wecome to the site!

Would be interesting to hear some of your memories on the early Camaros.

I believe this is a picture from your site of your Dad and a very early 427 Camaro but not sure if that is you in the picture?

Welcome to Team Camaro Val and Dale (LL). Good to see you over here. Joe, that is a great pic. Where did you find it?

Wow.
Cool pic.
Welcome to the site Ms. Harrell!

Rich

Joe, Clint, Rich....thank you for your kind welcome. Yes, Joe that is me with my father. That time frame was during our Nickey Chevrolet era when Dad was working at Nickey.

Welcome to Dale also

Dale drove a 1968 427 Camaro at 16 yrs old.
His was a bit different then the ones that some of us had as it was an early flip top Funny Car that ran about 8 sec in the 1/4 mile.
Vicious II.

now back to the new Camaros

I love the General Marketing Capital Incorporated (GMCI) 2010 Yenko Camaro project.
First class company & people involved with a legendary project such as this.
Fantastic! You have my vote!

Valerie Harrell
Daughter of Dickie Harrell
www.DickHarrellPerformanceCenter.com

Val, welcome to the site.
Just for the purpose of discussion...How would you feel if you hadn't trademaked your dad's name and GMCI began building a Harrell Camaro without your permission? I don't think you'd be very happy because your dad's legacy and any marketing rights should always belong to you and your family.
When GMMG decided to build the 02 ZL1 he asked for permission and worked things out with Helen. When Matt did the Harrell Camaro he involved you. When GMP did the diecast 68 COPO Nova's they involved both you & Helen before building them.
Helen, you and the Yenko family are the rightful owners to to everything Fred, Dick and Don accomplished. A marketing firm should have no rights to use these names for profit just because they filed papers in a courhouse. JMO:beers:

Hi Jude....glad to see your here.

As far as the trademark issues.... The reason for applying for a TM is to be able to control the mark & its use. I am sure there will be some who do not agree with the way our laws are written, however, being I am only a paralegal and not an attorney, however, it was my experience years ago (in the '90s) the trademark laws were extremely vague. And speaking on behalf of my father, & what I have in my possession as far as his contracts, & letters in his estate records, back in the 60s & 70s most racing contracts were verbal based on a handshake. However, I do have his original signed contracts from Quakerstate, Carter Carburetors & others. The business world of today, is not what it was in years past. In order to protect my father, because he is not alive to defend himself, I own four registered marks. Today if you are going to do business, is not only wise but necessary.

Jude,

The USPTO website clearly shows GMCI owns the rights to the Yenko name and for sometime now. I filed for the Dick Harrell mark because of my concern for the integrity of my father's name & logo and it does require great effort & expense. In addition, I will go to great lengths to protect my father's name as many well know since it has been discussed on open forums and published in the Chevy Rumble magazine.

In spite of it all, if I had not trademarked my father's name I would be honored to have GMCI Licensing/Classic Industries build and market a car in honor of my father, as they have an uncorrupted and unsullied reputation.

As I posted on another part of this form. Ask Val how she would feel or how she did feel when she was sued for the rights to her name initiated by the one and only Tom Clary.
It stopped being a hobby when he got involved. If all of you knew that facts here and really had an open mind, sit back and review the past. It was all leading up to these cars.
Gibb, Harrell, Yenko, All widowed women.He has tried for them all. Val is the only one who has contested him.
That is his big problem. Sorry this is statring to get out of hand. LL

Val,
I respect what you have done to protect your dad's name. You learned the in's and out's early on and it's terrific that you're protected. But, would you be as enthusiastic with GMCI if they were planning to build a Harrell Camaro without offering you any financial compensation?
Personally, I think it's disrespectful for GMCI to proceed with a Yenko project without the family behind it....no matter what their lawyers and marketing guru's have concocted behind closed doors. Again, JMO

Jude,

I have shown interest and shown effort toward continued 'use' with the Dick Harrell name/marks/logo & have done something with it. Yes, my cousin & I are on good terms. Yes, blood is really thicker than water. I mean no disrespect to the Yenko family, but history shows the Yenko name has not been in 'use' by family since Don passed away. Classic Jeff/GMCI has owned/used the mark/logo for years.

Why is Lyle Tom crying about the TM issue now? If you look at the USPTO office website you will see why Lyle Tom was denied as an applicant to the Yenko name in 2005. It is simple, Classic Industries owned & used the mark for some time now. When Tom filed, the USPTO denied his application. He knew exactly why he was denied. If you want I can post or email privately, the Lyle Tom Clary/sYc/USPTO response for the Yenko mark application. It is public record. If you have never used the USPTO site it is defiantly not dummied down for most users. Clary knew exactly what he was doing & why he was not approved.

Jude, it is easy to make judgments when you are not on the other side of the fence. The way I see it.... I call it grandstand tuning or the Monday morning quarterback.

As far as the GMP project with Helen .... no one contacted me until I found 3d party distributors selling the project on the internet. And Matt Murphy/GMMG contacting Helen on the 02 ZL1 project, all I can say is good for them. I am glad it worked out for Helen & the girls & Matt. Where they compensated....does any one really know?

You might not be able to answer this as I know I cannot....but is the Clary-Yenko project financially compensating the Yenko family? I cannot speak for either GMCI or Clary as far as the financial compensation. I do not know what goes on behind the scenes since that has not been made public.

However, to be represented by a reputable company (i.e., Classic Industries/GMCI Licensing/GMMG etc.) that is the direction I would go. Also, I know my father, mother and I, would only want to be represented by the best.

Again, my personal opinion, I would not want to be represented by a funeral director/mortician/coroner.... I can see it now....."Why come in my dear pretty....how may I comfort or help you in this time of need?" LOL :noway:

As far as my experiences in lawsuits...it is best leave the lawyers out of it if at all possible. In the end, after the dust settles, the judicial system is the one who makes the REAL money.

Wow! Has it gotten REALLY quiet here or is it just me? :popcorn:

I have a question here for everyone. Why did this not become a legal issue?
Tom beat it up on the SYC site.
http://www.classicautomotiverestoration.com/turn_key_camaro.html

Because it did not directly affect what HE was doing!

On post 100 by Joe 58 you may notice the sponsors names are on the car very big. a few weeks later we all had to remove the names until the sponsors could get things together after Houstons Platts terrible crash in Ga.
Does the Yenko family want to have to keep track of all that goes on with the TM rights ? This is just one more area that most do not understand.
How come None of the families are ever distraught or have to get legal council until the Lil King of the SYC gets involved? Why? for what? Everything you seem to read comes from Tom. Is Sandlin backing this one also? Or do you have a new fish to suck from? Isnt freedom of speach a nice concept? :yes:LL

What I find interesting is that Lyle stated in another post that he "withdrew" his application for the Yenko TM because he figured it wasn't the right thing to do, he did not mention that it was deined. I guess he forgot that detail. Also, whenever there is a fiasco with something like the trademark issues, there is always one common denominator. I wonder who the SYC got to assist the Yenko family as he stated , because I know he is not shelling out his own money to help, he never has just other peoples, i.e Steve S. etc. I am glad that this discussion is in public. It is very informative to those who want to learn a little about trademarks and also sets the record straight as to who owns what. Very good thread and informative to many readers.

Wow! Has it gotten REALLY quiet here or is it just me? :popcorn:

Val.
The mods on TC have warned us time & time again not to bring issues from other sites to this one....expained in the 'please read' thread at the top.
Most of us don't want them to eliminate the COPO & Dealer thread so we get real quiet when we seem to be pushing the envelope.
Going back under my rock now:boring:

Jude,
I wouldn't really call this thread "pushing the envelope". I would say it's a civil yet pointed discussion as it relates to TM issues and the New Camaro Yenko Tribute project. It's a good and informative thread and educational to many.

Jude,
I wouldn't really call this thread "pushing the envelope". I would say it's a civil yet pointed discussion as it relates to TM issues and the New Camaro Yenko Tribute project. It's a good and informative thread and educational to many.

You are already on thin ice here, maybe you are not the best judge of what is or isn't pushing things in this forum Clint. :D

I agree the site rules need to be followed at all times.

Some of these issues go back many years but it is important to discuss them as they are related to the preservation of Camaro history.

The commercial interest don’t always have the best interest of the hobby in mind so the hobbyist need a place to express their opinions.

It's all good!

Good Information and Discussion, and good that it can be discussed in an open forum.

Even BETTER that the Harrell family is sharing some information from back then.

:)

more please! :)

Rich

Just got back from taking the 69 Harrell Camaro for some freshening up.

Dennis. No matter what forum things get posted on, if they are clean and truthful, at what point does it get bad? Jude brings up a good point but also it stresses a point that came from the former and the SYC site. Do as we want or go away. I am not saying this is going on. I am asking a question. Yes, it is old news and we are SICK of it, but some newcomers do not know all of what really has transpired along with many others. Everytime the Harrell name comes up, TC bashes it. Unfortunately, it is almost to hard to put into words, And we lived it! I would bet to say that the Yenko family only knows very little about what has really gone down over the years. If anyone has done anything to hurt the Harrell cars its TC and some of his SYC.
The fact that Tom can blab to everyone in the industry that The Harrells are greedy and will sue you is one that does slay me. We have never sued anyone. In fact, Val was sent a warning by Tom due to she was selling Dick Harrell tshirts at a race in 2004 at St Louis. He said he was witness to Val selling t-shirts that had Fred Gibb on the shirts (that would be her 1969 Dick Harrell Camaro funny car with Gibb logo on the door, and Porterfield's Harrell Gibb 1969 ZL Camaro w/Gibb logo on the door (just as he has Harrell) on his SYC stuff. Because the track is in Illinois, he stated she had violated Gibb state TMs. This was after Val trademarked the Gibb name for Connie Gibb. Then Tom threatens Val to drop the Gibb TM or be sued. Val assigned the mark to Connie who has all but lost interest. Notice when Tom talks about the Gibbs, its only Helen and Nancy! Who is the dividing party? WHY? He knows Connie is on to him.
Tom never admitted to the fake car but did drop the asking price from over $200k to just over $50k and sold it. Have we sued Jim Parks for displaying it? NO! He only went with Tom to look like a bigger fool and put the Fred Gibb name on it instead of Courtesy. He now shows a car that never ever existed! Thats worse than any clone you could imagine. Its now not even a clone car.

Just got back from taking the 69 Harrell Camaro for some freshening up.

Dennis. No matter what forum things get posted on, if they are clean and truthful, at what point does it get bad? Jude brings up a good point but also it stresses a point that came from the former and the SYC site. Do as we want or go away. I am not saying this is going on. I am asking a question. Yes, it is old news and we are SICK of it, but some newcomers do not know all of what really has transpired along with many others. Everytime the Harrell name comes up, TC bashes it. Unfortunately, it is almost to hard to put into words, And we lived it! I would bet to say that the Yenko family only knows very little about what has really gone down over the years. If anyone has done anything to hurt the Harrell cars its TC and some of his SYC.
The fact that Tom can blab to everyone in the industry that The Harrells are greedy and will sue you is one that does slay me. We have never sued anyone. In fact, Val was sent a warning by Tom due to she was selling Dick Harrell tshirts at a race in 2004 at St Louis. He said he was witness to Val selling t-shirts that had Fred Gibb on the shirts (that would be her 1969 Dick Harrell Camaro funny car with Gibb logo on the door, and Porterfield's Harrell Gibb 1969 ZL Camaro w/Gibb logo on the door (just as he has Harrell) on his SYC stuff. Because the track is in Illinois, he stated she had violated Gibb state TMs. This was after Val trademarked the Gibb name for Connie Gibb. Then Tom threatens Val to drop the Gibb TM or be sued. Val assigned the mark to Connie who has all but lost interest. Notice when Tom talks about the Gibbs, its only Helen and Nancy! Who is the dividing party? WHY? He knows Connie is on to him.
Tom never admitted to the fake car but did drop the asking price from over $200k to just over $50k and sold it. Have we sued Jim Parks for displaying it? NO! He only went with Tom to look like a bigger fool and put the Fred Gibb name on it instead of Courtesy. He now shows a car that never ever existed! Thats worse than any clone you could imagine. Its now not even a clone car.
WOW!!! Theres alot of bad history. I find it interesting. I dont understand the purpose of half of it. Valerie is a Harrell how can someone sue her for use of her name? If a car was built by Dick Harrell and it had the GIBB name on it when it was built /raced whatever, How can someone make you remove the name if you are restoring this car to spec? This blows my mind. How could that poor lady be sued for restoring a car her dad built which bears the name of the dealership that sponsered him:wacko::noway: I just dont get it.

Just got back from taking the 69 Harrell Camaro for some freshening up.

Dennis. No matter what forum things get posted on, if they are clean and truthful, at what point does it get bad? Jude brings up a good point but also it stresses a point that came from the former and the SYC site. Do as we want or go away. I am not saying this is going on. I am asking a question. Yes, it is old news and we are SICK of it, but some newcomers do not know all of what really has transpired along with many others. Everytime the Harrell name comes up, TC bashes it. Unfortunately, it is almost to hard to put into words, And we lived it! I would bet to say that the Yenko family only knows very little about what has really gone down over the years. If anyone has done anything to hurt the Harrell cars its TC and some of his SYC.
The fact that Tom can blab to everyone in the industry that The Harrells are greedy and will sue you is one that does slay me. We have never sued anyone. In fact, Val was sent a warning by Tom due to she was selling Dick Harrell tshirts at a race in 2004 at St Louis. He said he was witness to Val selling t-shirts that had Fred Gibb on the shirts (that would be her 1969 Dick Harrell Camaro funny car with Gibb logo on the door, and Porterfield's Harrell Gibb 1969 ZL Camaro w/Gibb logo on the door (just as he has Harrell) on his SYC stuff. Because the track is in Illinois, he stated she had violated Gibb state TMs. This was after Val trademarked the Gibb name for Connie Gibb. Then Tom threatens Val to drop the Gibb TM or be sued. Val assigned the mark to Connie who has all but lost interest. Notice when Tom talks about the Gibbs, its only Helen and Nancy! Who is the dividing party? WHY? He knows Connie is on to him.
Tom never admitted to the fake car but did drop the asking price from over $200k to just over $50k and sold it. Have we sued Jim Parks for displaying it? NO! He only went with Tom to look like a bigger fool and put the Fred Gibb name on it instead of Courtesy. He now shows a car that never ever existed! Thats worse than any clone you could imagine. Its now not even a clone car.

I can't (nobody involved on Team Camaro can) control what anyone says on another forum or any other web site. I can control what goes on here, this site will not be used to air all this laundry. All this he said, she said finger point is grade school at best and doesn't even make a good soap opera!

It has nothing to do with taking sides, I don't want to hear any of it from anyone! When car talk regresses to nothing more than the stuff you just posted it really takes any interest out of the super car subject.

With a few exceptions the folks coming to this forum are strangers here on a mission and I am so sick of it I'm ready to make it my mission to remove this forum. You are here and here only to further your mission! Be honest if I closed this forum would you be back? The bottom line, I don't care who did what or said what to who and this is not the place to set the record straight. If this comes off sounding angry it's not directed directly at you, it's the ongoing BS that a few keep bringing here that has me fed up...

Dennis. Heard loud clear and respectfully! Aring dirty laundry and clearing the record are 2 close but different items. Sorry, I guess sometimes too much information is not good. No one wants to hear their wife or husband is cheating but sure is good to know what you have.
FYI to all here. Valerie and I have had our words over these post please do not take it out on her for what I have said What started to be a fun hobby became no fun 5 years ago. Best regards LL

Dennis,

We meant no disrespect to Team Camaro whatsoever. Yes, I am a newbie and I did not come here to bash any one. I was sent a link to this thread and out of curiosity here we are. When I read some of the posts, we debated whether or not to respond.

Maybe we should not have posted at all and just sat & watched.....however, we tried to answer the guys truthfully as to the questions that were being asked. We let our emotions get carried away, which is hard to do when you have had to live it & your livelihood has been destroyed.

It is difficult to keep the answers simple because it is not quite that easy to answer the questions vaguely. Maybe we should have not responded at all. It does appears like a she said, he said session, yet, some had questions I was trying to respond as honestly as possible. Instead, we could have posted actual attorney letters, public record legal documents & let the members be the judge instead of answer with our opinion. Most importantly, we were not trying to air dirty laundry; only set the record straight to the answers asked.

I apologize if we went over the top. We meant no harm to Team Camaro. I have actual documents that back up everything we have posted here instead of quotes. Actually, this is the first time I have been over on Team Camaro and I like what you have done with the website AND I am not trying to blow smoke...I don't need to impress anyone.... some can like me or don't...it a free country.

After replying to this thread I started digging around and saw the post on the Lead Sled and commented on that thread. Then I saw the kewl Yenko/Harrell/Gibb Car Found thread and what an awesome story! Those were the first photographs & story that Belk posted that I have seen of the car.

Like everyone else, we are jazzed that there are new 2010 Camaros coming out. Like what Stefano has done with the Nickey Camaro. And for obvious reasons, why I prefer the GMCI/Classic Industries Yenko Camaro....they are a stout reputable company. To me it is about integrity .

I cannot vouch whether or not GMCI/Classic has been in touch with the Yenko family. Maybe they have. I would seriously like to speak to Lynn & Hope Yenko and reunite with them. I have a great relationship with Connie Gibb. Since I lost my little sister May 2007, & because of the Gibb ties, Connie has always been like a big sister to me. Enough of that as you guys probably do not care to hear about all the mushy stuff anyway...but again, that was all part of the Harrell/Gibb history too.

I am sorry if myself, Dale or if some of the members bent the rules, asked things that should not have been asked & upset certain members. Please do not take it out on the members who commented on issues I have had to deal with.

All I can say is that the Harrell name has been both a blessing and a curse with the last 10 years being mostly a curse. I have fought for my father's original 1969 Camaro funny car through two separate divorces. The last divorce in 2000, was over the '69 DH Camaro & the DH trademarks. I am not a trademark expert, but I have lived through 3 court battles because of the Harrell name ... this is not counting the legal issues my mother went through over my Dad's estate after he was killed in his race car. Unfortunately, there is a lot to Dick Harrell's history that comes with being born with the Harrell name. At times, I wish I was born with a with a common name such as Smith or Jones; or born with a silver spoon; or the frills; the trophies; the money won, the glory, world records set & how many cars we owned & how many were built. Sometimes I wish I just had a nice simple, boring, peaceful life.

Some here were just curious and like my father I tried to be honest to a fault.

I apologize to you and any one on this board that I may have offended.

Sincerely,
Valerie Harrell

On a positive note, my father made into the 2010 International Drag Racing Hall of Fame

http://www.garlits.com/hof.htm

Today, I spoke with Don Garlits who was on his way to the SEMA show. He will be attending the SEMA show breakfast tomorrow morning and then signing autographs at the NHRA display around noon tomorrow (Weds. November 4th).

We will be stopping by to see if NHRA can use our help, plus, visiting with GMCI group & the Yenko Camaro among others. If any one would like Garlits autograph, let me know & we will get one for you. Just private message me here & let me know.
Valerie

Val.
The mods on TC have warned us time & time again not to bring issues from other sites to this one....expained in the 'please read' thread at the top.
Most of us don't want them to eliminate the COPO & Dealer thread so we get real quiet when we seem to be pushing the envelope.
Going back under my rock now:boring:

Hey Jude, (Wait ... that's one of my favorite songs) :yes:

Thanks.....
I just read the "Please Read" thread.

Sorry if I got you in any trouble.

Guess I run too much 'Wide Open Throttle' & assume everyone else is like that too.

I'll take some % out the nitro & calm down. :)

Thanks friend...
Val

Dennis,

We meant no disrespect to Team Camaro whatsoever. Yes, I am a newbie and I did not come here to bash any one. I was sent a link to this thread and out of curiosity here we are. When I read some of the posts, we debated whether or not to respond. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ......SNIP........................................ ...........................................
Some here were just curious and like my father I tried to be honest to a fault.

I apologize to you and any one on this board that I may have offended.

Sincerely,
Valerie Harrell

:thumbsup: Class Act!

Please stay around a while and share your memories. Even the "mushy" stuff.
It would be really cool to see all of the "super" familes, even Joel R, at a reunion.

Heck, write a book (everyone else is! :) )

Thanks for sharing.

Rich

Guess I should have posted under this thread:


http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs078.snc3/14531_1262758882164_1025484149_844317_1028637_n.jp g

While I do appreciate your concern for me, "my embarrassment", the rest I feel is really none of your business. Sorry.

But are you really?

Wow, Interesting read. I have learned a lot. Thanks folks!:thumbsup: