I installed windows 7 pro on a "test dummy" machine yesterday... successfully.

Today I pulled the 80 gig hard drive out of my laptop, slapped in a 250, did 3 partitions, put xp on C and this afternoon completed a dual boot xp - win 7 system on the laptop I'm using right this moment.

Both were clean installs. Win7 is VERY smart about hardware and drivers and such. While I spent half the day chasing laptop drivers for xp, Win7 conjured them all out of thin air and everything on the laptop works. The dummy machine, a 2 year old asus athlon 64 board, auto installed everything with no need for the asus support dvd.

On the dummy machine, we run a high end graphics workflow management system. After 3 tries, win7 suggested that perhaps this program should run as administrator. When I agreed, it made it so, permanently. The program, which was made for XP and is a major hassle to get to run on vista, runs just fine on Win7.

When I plugged my lil webcam into the laptop, it thought about it, failed to install it, then came back a few minutes later with a suggestion that the proper driver could be downloaded from "this link" and the link did in fact go to the driver download on creative labs website.

So far, so good. tomorrow, I'm gonna try an upgrade, on my main workstation in the office, from vista ultimate 64 bit to Win 7 ultimate 64 bit. Wish me luck.

Has anyone else ventured into 7 yet?

Is it me, is Microsoft math challenged, or did they just decide to skip vista?
We had nt FOUR
Windows 2000 showed as windows FIVE
XP showed as Window SIX
Vista does not and never had a number
And now we have Windows SEVEN

Jim...

Yes...I did testing for MS on Win7 and was running RC1 on this machine before removing it. The final version we tested was good until 2010 but required many upgrades/updates. It actually ran slower than Vista on my desktop and laptop after the updates. Full clean install is best ! When the final release is out, it will be shipped to me.


Kev

Oh BTW...
Everyone knows that Vista was incomplete when released and that is why Windows7 is so good. The bugs from Vista were fixed and the add on of 7 stuff completed it. Just when I got use to using Windows Mail, its been removed from 7 and now is called Mail Live. I don't like the live version :(


Kev

Jim...
When the final release is out, it will be shipped to me.


Kev

Kev, final release is out. If you have a maps subscription, you can download it here https://www.microsoft.com/msppdd/home.aspx login with your windows live / partner id.

Yeah have been playing with it...vista sucks on netwrks
I have been around since Dos /Dos shell 311 etc
98 se came out MS need something quick for the minillium as xp was nt ready with milliuim which was a stuff up...XP came out I actually scored the 3rd copy ever sold..well it was free promotion..the 1st 10 copys
NZ is the 1st country to see dawn of the day...m8 and I lines up at night...something diffent to do lol..
Anyway XP certainly was a step up and reliable....
Vista is like milluium works but a dud.
Windows 7 like dos shell/95/98 /xp I like..its like the move from 95 to 98 and 98 to XP.

Windows 7?
Gee.... didn't know there was a 'new' version. Just shows what happens when you leave the IT field and never look back. ;)

I love XP. If 7 is half as good, I'll get it. I agree Vista is a very strange OS and does networking all wrong.
Maybe they'll leave Office alone for a few years so I can get used to all the stupid changes.

I dont wanna change my XP its flawless... wife's Vista sucks...
MS leave me alone :(

Supposedly W7 has less stringent resource requirements than Vista does. THAT'S a good thing..... for a change.
Don't think I'm ready for a quad-core upgrade yet.
:rolleyes:

I dont wanna change my XP its flawless
Even thu 7 impresses over vista, I realy dont see the advantage of changing on a network with DC /AD...
I have never figured ouy MS with the start menu...the 98 far better for user freindly
R clk start/properties/classic taskbar tick quick launch.
I understand adding admin permissions...lets face it 99% of users dont follow manufactures recommendations.
Dont surf/ daily work under a admin user...with access to system files... create users with limitted abilty, if need to load a prog or drive, switch to Admin to do so...once the machine is setup its very rare one needs to go to admin..
Also a O/s needs just to be well laid out and user friendly, uncomplicated...like 98 and XP....I think the marketting guys have lost the plot on presentation, getting the coders to add in a heap of pretty unneeded stuff just to clutter and complicate things.
Then change names of stuff, change and complicate how to get to it.....
But hey this BS sells and makes profits.

K.I.S.S Keep It Simple Stupid

ok, I'm officially impressed. After 2 successful clean installs, today I did an upgrade on my main workstation. This is a fairly robust system, athlon 64 x2 with 8 gb ram, upgrading from Vista ultimate 64 bit to Win7 ultimate 64 bit.

I didn't even bother to do a backup.

The upgrade took 2 hours, and completed flawlessly. everything works, even my ancient microtek scanner and my new webcam.

And the system is FAST now. UNBELIEVABLY fast, considering nothing changed but the OS, and it was an upgrade not a clean install.
And it's network and server stuff that is fast. opening a record or doing a search in our contact manager is instant, where it used to bog terribly. an aged recievables is up before I can click ok. I did a customer history report, all customers for the quarter, it took seven seconds. That right, 7 seconds. used to take a minute or more.

I think it's miller time.

I've been on Windows7 since beta. It is a very impressive operating system and has tons of cool features. I will be upgrading all my home machines in the near future.

A few Cool features and improvements:
Internet explorer tab hooks
Window handling and drag docking etc
application grouping
improved resource handling
comprehensive resource monitoring and logging
Very stable!

I'm a little late to the party...:)

My new Dell has Windows 7 - the more I use it the more I like it. My old Dell system was XP.

Biggest pet peeve - the e-mailer on Win 7 is weak - called Windows Live. I searched for Outlook, Outlook Express only to find out that its not part of Win7. WTF? Microsoft got us all hooked on Outlook and now its not integrated into Win7?

I run an Earthlink email and its not compatible with Win7:mad:

In fact, Win 7 will migrate your Vista emails but not XP e-mails.
Anyone else run into this?

Tom

Is it me, is Microsoft math challenged, or did they just decide to skip vista?
We had nt FOUR
Windows 2000 showed as windows FIVE
XP showed as Window SIX
Vista does not and never had a number
And now we have Windows SEVEN

As a geek, I could not help but correct this.

Windows 7 is actually v6.1.
Windows Vista was v6.0.
Windows XP is 5.1.

Notice I said 'was' for Vista, and 'is' for XP/7. XP is the best OS ever created, but perhaps with time Windows 7 will replace it. I still use XP. When my machine goes up in flames one day, I'll upgrade.

For fellow geeks, click here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms724833(VS.85).aspx

-Kevin

We are having issues with shared folders and printers on a couple networks with a mix of W7 and XP...Set up all works fine ..till reboot

Win 7 is nice but XP and ubuntu are still my prefered OS.

An OS or a program is a tool....
A shot gun works just as good as the model with all the hand engraving on it
And a clean tool box in the workshop looks a lot better than 1 covered in stickers.

I like windows live mail better than outlook express - don't try to install outlook express on your Win7 it doesn't like it - had to do a fresh install afterwards. You can import to Windows live but not from Outlook express, only from Outlook.

I upgraded my video editting desk top to Win7 64 bit and it was very smooth - no hickups or driver issues. This has the OS on a RAID10 array running on a 3ware 9650se, data on a RAID 5 on the ICH10R on board, and a single drive for back up storage, with 8gb of ram and overclocked Q6600 from 2.6 to 3.33ghz. I can't say I have any regrets, Win7 is much better than XP64. The media player is nicer, it will even play by AVCHD files without blinking.

I like windows live mail better than outlook express - don't try to install outlook express on your Win7 it doesn't like it - had to do a fresh install afterwards. You can import to Windows live but not from Outlook express, only from Outlook.

So should I try to convert from outlook express to outlook on the old computer and then import those outlook files into Win7?

That's what I did and it worked fine for me - import from outlook espress to outlook and then export to a PST file from outlook you contacts and email (I think that's the file format) then move the file over and import the file to Windows live. It's nice to be able to see all your email and contacts from any computer with access to the net, even mail you have already read stays in 'the cloud' ready for you to see - Windows live will sync all folders on all computers in your house if you have them running Win7.

Yo8 can down load mail live and import outlook express folders/mail/address book, mail settings etc into it.

I'll give it a try, also did some searching and apparently Outlook 2010 in the works that will operate in Win 7.

I'll give it a try, also did some searching and apparently Outlook 2010 in the works that will operate in Win 7.

FWIW, I'm running the entire Office 2003 suite in Win7, including Outlook.

As a geek, I could not help but correct this.

Windows 7 is actually v6.1.
Windows Vista was v6.0.
Windows XP is 5.1.

Notice I said 'was' for Vista, and 'is' for XP/7. XP is the best OS ever created, but perhaps with time Windows 7 will replace it. I still use XP. When my machine goes up in flames one day, I'll upgrade.

For fellow geeks, click here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms724833(VS.85).aspx

-Kevin

Somewhere in there is Windows ME.....and I know what I called it.

Outlook works in Win7 - Outlook express does not. Windows live Mail does everything Outlook does and more.

Yo8 can down load mail live and import outlook express folders/mail/address book, mail settings etc into it.I don't think you can import from outlook express, I tried and it didn't work.

Windows Live mail?

Tell me more.
I'm using outlook 07 ONLY for my JimM@firstgens.com address.
And then I end up using outlook todo's and contacts for forum business.

The only "reason" is syncing with my windows mobile.

I "thought" Windows live was for HOTMAIL, which I do not use?

Does windows live work with pop mail? Yahoo mail? what else?

Windows Live mail?


I "thought" Windows live was for HOTMAIL, which I do not use?

Does windows live work with pop mail? Yahoo mail? what else?

I use windows Live Mail. Yes, you can import most other e-mail accounts to open in it. At first I hated it and was going to buy Outlook Express (I'm on XP) but then realized I could customize it and more, same as Outlook.

Jeff.

Originally Posted by Steptoe
Yo8 can down load mail live and import outlook express folders/mail/address book, mail settings etc into it.

I don't think you can import from outlook express, I tried and it didn't work.
you open OE then export ....then use those files to import.

I will say one thing about Mr. Gates he was a marketing genius with the product selling that he was involved with.

With that said, I have been in the IT industry like some of you from the early days of DOS 3.1 and before with IBM and TRS-80. i have been in and out of the industry to take a break from "burn out" so that i will want to touch a computer again.

I for one am not fond of the "pushy sales methods" "Tech Support $$$$$$" not to mention the "its not our fault its your third party software". M$ has been and always will be the Car Salesman of the computer world, trying to have you buy next years model bigger better faster blah blah blah. It's code has gotten fatter and sloppy in design. Not to mention the limit of 26 letter limit in the alphabet.

windows 98 195 mb
Windows NT4 250 mb
Windows 2000 600 mb
Windows Vista 3Gb- 6Gb
windows 7 5Gb - 10Gb


i have been a linux user for years now. Gentoo (http://www.gentoo.org/),Debian (http://www.debian.org/), RedHat (http://www.redhat.com/),Knoppix live cd/DVD (http://www.knoppix.net/) or Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/)



Just not a big fan of Mirco$oft

Windows Live mail?

I "thought" Windows live was for HOTMAIL, which I do not use?

Does windows live work with pop mail? Yahoo mail? what else?I use Windows live for 2email accounts and can see them all on the same page inside separate twisties - it works with my pop email from Mediacom and with my windows live account xxxx.live.com It's really very nice, especially being able to see all my email and contacts and calender from any where I can get web access - even mail I've already downloaded at home and put in the 'trash' if I want to. Best of all it's free - the only reason it's not bundled with Win7 is the MS Monopoly law suits.

I will say one thing about Mr. Gates he was a marketing genius with the product selling that he was involved with.

With that said, I have been in the IT industry like some of you from the early days of DOS 3.1 and before with IBM and TRS-80. i have been in and out of the industry to take a break from "burn out" so that i will want to touch a computer again.

I for one am not fond of the "pushy sales methods" "Tech Support $$$$$$" not to mention the "its not our fault its your third party software". M$ has been and always will be the Car Salesman of the computer world, trying to have you buy next years model bigger better faster blah blah blah. It's code has gotten fatter and sloppy in design. Not to mention the limit of 26 letter limit in the alphabet.

windows 98 195 mb
Windows NT4 250 mb
Windows 2000 600 mb
Windows Vista 3Gb- 6Gb
windows 7 5Gb - 10Gb


i have been a linux user for years now. Gentoo (http://www.gentoo.org/),Debian (http://www.debian.org/), RedHat (http://www.redhat.com/),Knoppix live cd/DVD (http://www.knoppix.net/) or Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/)



Just not a big fan of Mirco

When you're a car dealer that is not a bad thing. Thank you Mr. Gates, you may own the world, I'll be plenty comfortable on the crumbs you drop.

I use Windows live for 2email accounts and can see them all on the same page inside separate twisties - it works with my pop email from Mediacom and with my windows live account xxxx.live.com It's really very nice, especially being able to see all my email and contacts and calender from any where I can get web access - even mail I've already downloaded at home and put in the 'trash' if I want to. Best of all it's free - the only reason it's not bundled with Win7 is the MS Monopoly law suits.

I'll give it a shot.

Any idea if it will sync with my phone?

That's the biggie, I need my contacts list to sync from the phone to the pc. Win7 and outlook 2007 just do that, I don't even have to think about it. Laptop and phone are in the same building (with wireless) they just sync.

Phone is a touch pro 2 with win mobile 6.5

With that said, I have been in the IT industry like some of you from the early days of DOS 3.1 and before with IBM and TRS-80. i have been in and out of the industry to take a break from "burn out" so that i will want to touch a computer again.

Do you mean Win 3.11 or dos/dosshell 6.1
Yeah I started with dos then dos shell

trying to have you buy next years model bigger better faster blah blah blah. It's code has gotten fatter and sloppy in design. Not to mention the limit of 26 letter limit in the alphabet.
Its not just MS it seems software programers forget the end use and bloat with heaps of crap that will never be used...take nero....what Im seeing now is a lot of open source getting far more popular, going back to KISS (keep it simple stupid) like image burn

I'll give it a shot.



Any idea if it will sync with my phone?



That's the biggie, I need my contacts list to sync from the phone to the pc. Win7 and outlook 2007 just do that, I don't even have to think about it. Laptop and phone are in the same building (with wireless) they just sync.



Phone is a touch pro 2 with win mobile 6.5


I can't tell you anything really about the sync with a phone, I don't use my phone for mail. Try it and see - if it doesn't work and you don't like it use a restore point to undo the installation and no harm done. Or, if you have Win7 Proffesional - you can install XP Mode and try any application on it without effecting the Win7 OS - I use XP mode for one old application that didn't run right on Win7 64 bit - it's quite smooth really compared to the other virtual machines I've tried, can't tell it's not the real XP on my computer.