Hi there

Q no. 1 - Can it be right when i´m reading in another forum, http://camaropacecars.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2590094833/m/4080052355, that my 1969 Los Angeles Pace Car, should not have the valve covers in ribbed aluminum "Corvette Style".????

Q no. 2 - Can anyone tell me the right part number incl. the correct date on a water pump for the same Pace Car above. ??


Thank you very much
Tom

Tom - your car didn't come from the factory with the finned valve covers... Can't help with the other question.

Tom - your car didn't come from the factory with the finned valve covers... Can't help with the other question.

Damn - now I need to get some new covers...:pout:

there is no difference between the drivetrain of a Pace Car than any other '69 including valve covers.

there is no difference between the drivetrain of a Pace Car than any other '69 including valve covers.

???

A '69 pace car is an RS/SS, it is either a 350 or a 396 and will have the associated drivetrain which is very different than say a non-SS car for example; "307 - powerglide - 10 bolt" or an "inline 6 - manual 3 speed - 10 bolt"

Q - 1 Answer : Correct,as by most common. My pacer has plain valve covers. Though,
if your car had an engine dress up kit/accessory purchased with it, then it could
have came from factory with the Aluminum valve covers (without drippers !) Only
70s camaros and corvettes had the dripper design, and then the replacement and
aftermarket alum. valve covers had the drippers, which isnt correct for a factory
"original" restoration project.

Q - 2 Answer : The water pump date is below the cast number, and should be 2-4 weeks
range before build date.

the water pump you need is a "692" and yes the ideal build date would be 2-4 weeks before your build date, however dates alittle further out are very acceptable

Q - 1 Answer : Correct,as by most common. My pacer has plain valve covers. Though,
if your car had an engine dress up kit/accessory purchased with it, then it could have came from the factory with the aluminum valve covers

The only way the aluminum valve covers could be had on an SS was to buy them over the parts counter and install then yourself. The engine dress up was not installed on the assembly line and therefor not factory correct/original.

If they were dealer installed when the car was purchased then I might consider them correct to the car. Still not original or factory and even then you need paperwork to prove it.

If im wrong im sure someone will set me straight.

The only way the aluminum valve covers could be had on an SS was to buy them over the parts counter and install then yourself. The engine dress up was not installed on the assembly line and therefor not factory correct/original.

If they were dealer installed when the car was purchased then I might consider them correct to the car. Still not original or factory and even then you need paperwork to prove it.

If im wrong im sure someone will set me straight.

Jeremiah is totally correct for 69. Every once in a while the mythical engine dress up kit gets mentioned in here. I think it was published in some Camaro book back in the 80's and the author was confusing it with the 68 SS small block or something.

the water pump you need is a "692" and yes the ideal build date would be 2-4 weeks before your build date, however dates alittle further out are very acceptable

Most if not all of the Pace Cars got Tonawanda built engines. The 3927170 pump is also acceptable. I would say the timeframe is more like 0-2 weeks before your engine was cast.

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A '69 pace car is an RS/SS, it is either a 350 or a 396 and will have the associated drivetrain which is very different than say a non-SS car for example; "307 - powerglide - 10 bolt" or an "inline 6 - manual 3 speed - 10 bolt"

what I meant was, a Pace Car with a 350 wouldn't have anything different than a regular coupe with a 350. Same with 396. I don't get to sound smart on here too often. Stop raining on my parade!

what I meant was, a Pace Car with a 350 wouldn't have anything different than a regular coupe with a 350. Same with 396. I don't get to sound smart on here too often. Stop raining on my parade!

You're in SoCal and can use all the rain you can get down there! ;) I really just didn't get what you were trying to say, wasn't trying to pick on you... :beers:

not to hijack the thread, but are you sure all Pace cars were RS cars?

Yes, they were, they were all SS's with the RS option added it was a mandatory option for the pace cars.

In 67 not all of the pace cars were SS's though. The batch of 10 small blocks that went to Canada that was built in June of 67 were just RS's with a 327.

there used to be a couple nice Pace cars here in the want ads, haven't seen any in a while. Ok, NOW I'm done hijacking this thread.

In 67 not all of the pace cars were SS's though. The batch of 10 small blocks that went to Canada that was built in June of 67 were just RS's with a 327.I did not know that. You learn something new here everyday. :)

Well, I havent bought any new books lately. But on page 81 of some old 1990s camaro book called something like "definite 69 Z / SS fact book", he states that SS350s could have been ordered with a "special engine decor package". Thats were the myth began. If there is an updated version of newer research done and facts changed, someone please let me know.

There was one 67 or 69 Pace Car that was neither an SS or RS.

It was a promotional give away by Sears Roebuck.

I have the article at home about it.

Almost certain it was a 69.



not to hijack the thread, but are you sure all Pace cars were RS cars?

Jerry's new book indicates the option for aluminum valve covers never exsisted

Well, I havent bought any new books lately. But on page 81 of some old 1990s camaro book called something like "definite 69 Z / SS fact book" ... If there is an updated version of newer research done and facts changed, someone please let me know.

Jerry's new book indicates that option never exsisted

^^^ - What he said :thumbsup:

Jerry completely re-edited his book(s) and re-released them in early 2008 with many changes, additions and corrections of previously incorrect statement/information.
If you don't have the 2008 vesion, you don't have some corrct info ;)

There was one 67 or 69 Pace Car that was neither an SS or RS.

It was a promotional give away by Sears Roebuck.

I have the article at home about it.

Almost certain it was a 69.

Never heard of such a car or promotion, looking forward to hearing more on this, maybe a scan of the article... thanks,

Never heard of such a car or promotion, looking forward to hearing more on this, maybe a scan of the article... thanks,

Dennis did you know that in 68 they made 50 COPO camaros in pink? Playboy had them done in pink to give to the Playmates. From what I've heard they gave away about 15 of them rest were given to dealers and sold off. A guy on Pro-Touring has one heres a link to his build thread: http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42059 and a picture showing its history - unfortunatly he wont be restoring this to the original color :ohttp://www.fquick.com/images/vehicles/full/17778197358.jpg

who knows maybe Yall knew about it maybe not, wonder if the wheels were pink too?
OH, H E double hockeystick - sorry to Hijack

Required "Indy Sport Convertible" a.k.a. Pace Car equipment from CRG:

http://www.camaros.org/images/69pacer/69pacer_intro.jpg

Dennis did you know that in 68 they made 50 COPO camaros in pink? Playboy had them done in pink to give to the Playmates. ...

... who knows maybe Yall knew about it maybe not, wonder if the wheels were pink too?
OH, H E double hockeystick - sorry to Hijack

Yeah Dennis, didn't "know" that :rolleyes:


:popcorn:

Sears gave the car away, it was a 67. It wasn't really a pace car, it was part of the "pace setter program" It was a non RS, 6 cylinder, white convertible with a blue interior. Can't remember if it was even a deluxe interior. It had as much in common with a pace car, as a ford does to a Chevrolet.

Well, I havent bought any new books lately. But on page 81 of some old 1990s camaro book called something like "definite 69 Z / SS fact book", he states that SS350s could have been ordered with a "special engine decor package". Thats were the myth began. If there is an updated version of newer research done and facts changed, someone please let me know.

Would have been just a chrome air cleaner lid and chrome oil cap.

Would have been just a chrome air cleaner lid and chrome oil cap.

Not a chrome oil cap, they were painted just like the valve covers.

The was no special engine decor package. The 69 SS came with a chrome air cleaner lid and that was standard.

The was no optional chrome package!!:D

Not a chrome oil cap, they were painted just like the valve covers.

The was no special engine decor package. The 69 SS came with a chrome air cleaner lid and that was standard.

The was no optional chrome package!!:D


The 69 LM1 also got the chrome air cleaner lid standard :)

Rich

Not a chrome oil cap, they were painted just like the valve covers.

The was no special engine decor package. The 69 SS came with a chrome air cleaner lid and that was standard.

The was no optional chrome package!!:D

Unless it had the special ducted hood. The ZL2 option came with a black lid where a standard open element had the chrome.

Again.. correct me if im wrong?

Dennis did you know that in 68 they made 50 COPO camaros in pink? Playboy had them done in pink to give to the Playmates. From what I've heard they gave away about 15 of them rest were given to dealers and sold off. A guy on Pro-Touring has one heres a link to his build thread: http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42059 and a picture showing its history - unfortunatly he wont be restoring this to the original color :ohttp://www.fquick.com/images/vehicles/full/17778197358.jpg

who knows maybe Yall knew about it maybe not, wonder if the wheels were pink too?
OH, H E double hockeystick - sorry to Hijack
Thats interesting. When I had my 69 RS/SS that was orange with original orange houndstooth and white stripes I was asked if it was the Harley Davidson Camaro? Supposedly one of the Davidson brothers owned a 69 Camaro that was ordered in that collor combo?

Sorry to get off topic.

Pretty sure in 69 only the L78 and Z28 when ordered without the ZL2 hood were the only cars that had an open element air cleaner with the chrome lid. There was no black top open element air cleaner.

I found the article. It is the June 1990 International Camaro Club news letter, "In The Fast Lane". I was member years ago. Anyway, it is indeed a 67 with non-custom interior and a blue top. The car is a non SS/RS and it came with a 327. The only thing that it really shared with the pace car was the ermine white paint and blue accents, as well as the factory installed Official Pace Car decals. Sears of course being a large corporation persuaded GM to make this happen. If not a true pace car, a neat car nonetheless. I am surprised that it has never been discussed here.


Sears gave the car away, it was a 67. It wasn't really a pace car, it was part of the "pace setter program" It was a non RS, 6 cylinder, white convertible with a blue interior. Can't remember if it was even a deluxe interior. It had as much in common with a pace car, as a ford does to a Chevrolet.

The factory wouldn't have installed the decals. Dealers did that in dealer prep.

The way I understood it was that this obviously was not the typical Pace Car replica. Kurt, do you the the story on this particular car?

The factory wouldn't have installed the decals. Dealers did that in dealer prep.

Not to hijack this already hijacked thread, but I can't believe Playboy would pay for 50 COPOs. I'm surprised Hefner even knew what a COPO was. I bet most of those cars were wrecked the first week they showed up at the Playboy Mansion.

I've seen no evidence to support the 50 car Playboy order. I'm a big doubter on that one.
The 67 Sears car was a giveaway. Sears probably said make it look kinda like the pacers, but cheap. So the colors matched and that's about it.

Pretty sure in 69 only the L78 and Z28 when ordered without the ZL2 hood were the only cars that had an open element air cleaner with the chrome lid. There was no black top open element air cleaner.

I think you mean EXCEPT the ZL2 hood equipped cars, because all ZL2 cars, small block or big block, had the black top open element air cleaner lid.

Getting back to the question about the valve covers, a LOT of people over the years "upgraded" the very PLAIN looking orange valve covers the 1969 SS350 came with. The valve covers were the same an all small blocks in 69 from the 307, 327 to the L48 350. The 302 was the only engine in 69 that got the finned covers OEM.

A trivia item is that every year, 67-69, the 302 had DIFFERENT valve covers ... 67's were chrome Chevrolet script covers, 68's were the chrome smooth valve covers and the 69's got the finned aluminum valve covers (same covers used on the 69 350-350 hp Corvette)

I think you mean EXCEPT the ZL2 hood equipped cars, because all ZL2 cars, small block or big block, had the black top open element air cleaner lid.
You miss read it, thats exactly what he said.

This is not new news to most, but I think the confusion Ref the valve covers comes from some older literature; I have the reprinted '69 option booklet that shows the options and prices, including Z-27 @$281.00, "including bright engine accents"- then elsewhere it describes these as "finned aluminum valve covers"...then on page 156 of the Dobbins/ Incremona book " CAMARO 1967-1969 FACT BOOK" they show a photo of a car with the finned covers...and Michael Lamm's book "The Great Camaro" has the same Info on page 54. I think these were excellent attempts to pin down the history of these cars back in the '80's, although in the case of the valve covers it just did not make it into production after seemingly being in Promo literature.

they DO have "bright engine accents" ... the non cowl hood SS & LM1 cars got a chrome air cleaner lid ... and the big blocks got chrome valve covers along with the chrome air cleaner lid (non cowl hood cars)