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: Hotchkiss lowering rear 1.5" or 3"


68problemchild
Oct 2nd, 09, 07:04 PM
Any photos of this? My original leafs are so old, I am afraid new drop leafs springs may raise my car! Not sure what to put on 1.5 lower or 3"?

17" old school rims with 275/40/17

68 vert

Also, suggested shock brand?

Thank you all!!!

PS, after posting, saw the 69 photos and comments from Hotchkiss on 3" springs. No info on 68's though.

ProdigyCustoms
Oct 2nd, 09, 08:55 PM
You fear of your car sitting higher then it does now with 1 1/2" springs is well founded. Often times original springs are saging more then 1 1/2" from original, especially mono leaf springs. The 1 1/2" drop is from stock orignal which is pretty damn high.

For shocks it is a no brainer, Hotchkis / Bilstien are valved for their springs. If you want some adjustability I can do QA1 12 way shocks.

Which ever you decide we do have all Hotchkis and QA1 on a killer sale.

For reference, here is a pair of 67s we did with the 1 1/2" Hotchkis kits.


http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/DSC_0182-1.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/DSC_0239-1.jpg

TJS69
Oct 2nd, 09, 10:56 PM
17" Wheels are old school ? I would say 14" or 15" is old school. :)

68problemchild
Oct 3rd, 09, 04:05 PM
MB old school is the brand used alot on this site.

TJS69
Oct 3rd, 09, 08:41 PM
I see now ! That still is a strange name for something that isn't really "old school".

K and K
Oct 3rd, 09, 10:12 PM
Hotchkis recommends that their 3" drop leafs be used with a 3" drop up fornt. Of course the standard drop spring up front is 2". Curious how people are gaining an extra inch. (um....that came out wrong)

Rhino
Oct 4th, 09, 09:16 PM
Frank,
How much drop does the front of the black '67 have? That's close to the height I'm looking for in the front.

joe clance
Oct 4th, 09, 09:21 PM
Hotchkis recommends that their 3" drop leafs be used with a 3" drop up fornt. Curious how people are gaining an extra inch. (um....that came out wrong)

They are probably removing the lower bump stops from the lower "a" arms. i had to severly reduce mine with the hotchkis 2" drop springs.

ProdigyCustoms
Oct 5th, 09, 06:07 AM
Frank,
How much drop does the front of the black '67 have? That's close to the height I'm looking for in the front.

Both those car have 17" wheels and both cars have Hotchkis TVS kits on them. So the standard 1 1/2" to 2" drop

Melrose RS
Oct 5th, 09, 08:27 AM
Frank, Can you run the Hotchkiss rear swaybar with a stock 12Bolt that has the factory traction bar? Also, can the Hotchkiss rear multi-leafs be used with a single leaf bracketed 12Bolt? Thanks-

Rhino
Oct 5th, 09, 10:32 AM
Both those car have 17" wheels and both cars have Hotchkis TVS kits on them. So the standard 1 1/2" to 2" drop

Thanks for the info. Maybe I won't need to go as low as I had expected.
Do you happen to know the difference in these pics between the two cars? The front of the black one looks noticeably lower than the blue.

on a side note... do you typically do a staggered drop? IMO, the rear should go down another 1.5" to 2". Would this be a total of 1.5-2 front and 3-3.5 rear?

ProdigyCustoms
Oct 5th, 09, 02:39 PM
I think it is different camera angle and wheel well molding and no wheel well moldings. They are pretty close to the same.

As for staggering, that is the regular TVS kit.

Hotchkis
Oct 5th, 09, 05:20 PM
Prodigy Customs has got it covered. Nice looking cars!

Melrose RS - The rear sway bar cannot be used on the 1967 Camaro with the traction bar in place. If you remove the traction bar the sway bar can be used. Our Leafsprings can be used on Mono or Multi leaf cars. You can review the instructions (http://www.hotchkis.net/_uploaded_files/2407cinstructions424238335file.pdf) for specific tips on trimming the pads.

http://www.hotchkis.net/_uploaded_files/69_camaro_3_f_r_drop.jpg

Melrose RS
Oct 5th, 09, 07:04 PM
Prodigy Customs has got it covered. Nice looking cars!

Melrose RS - The rear sway bar cannot be used on the 1967 Camaro with the traction bar in place. If you remove the traction bar the sway bar can be used. Our Leafsprings can be used on Mono or Multi leaf cars. You can review the instructions (http://www.hotchkis.net/_uploaded_files/2407cinstructions424238335file.pdf) for specific tips on trimming the pads.



Thanks, but I still need clarification. When you say "remove the traction bar" do you mean unbolt it or must the bracket which is welded to the axle tube be permanently cut off?

Thanks again.

68problemchild
Oct 5th, 09, 07:43 PM
So the big question is, if you use the 2" Lowering springs in the front that every one has been doing, do you put 1.5 drop or 3" drop in the rear leafs?

ProdigyCustoms
Oct 5th, 09, 07:47 PM
Both those car have the 1 1/2" springs

69RalleySport
Oct 5th, 09, 10:55 PM
Is the Hotchkis 3" drop lower than the DSE 3" drop leaf spring?

Any feedback would be most appreciated!
Dave

K and K
Oct 6th, 09, 12:24 AM
Really good to see a comparison pic between 1.5 and 3 or even just a 67/8 with the 3" drop leafs. Prodigy told me the 3" leafs are on back order so maybe some 67/8 has them on? If so a pic would be great.
Big question is what does 3" drop do to performance? 1.5" has been touted by GW and others as what was acceptable drop without destroying handling.
I just put in Hotchkis 2" drop front springs and would like to stick with em for the rear.

68Lemans blue
Oct 6th, 09, 11:22 AM
You need to cut the bracket off the rear end,I did ,my 12 bolt was from a 67...Happy motoring

Side note: you drop your car to much, you may half to reset pinion angle

Melrose RS
Oct 6th, 09, 12:51 PM
You need to cut the bracket off the rear end,I did ,my 12 bolt was from a 67...Happy motoring

Side note: you drop your car to much, you may half to reset pinion angle

Thanks, I was afraid of that...:(

ProdigyCustoms
Oct 6th, 09, 05:53 PM
I have not used Hotchkis 3" drop springs yet so I hate to pass judgement. In general I do not like 3" drop springs. I think the flatten the spring to much and make then over react.

joe clance
Oct 6th, 09, 07:55 PM
I have not used Hotchkis 3" drop springs yet so I hate to pass judgement. In general I do not like 3" drop springs. I think the flatten the spring to much and make then over react.

i agree, however the hotchkis spring is a very stout spring pack. Close attention to the arc and resting angle of the rear shackle is going to be just as critical!

Hotchkis
Oct 7th, 09, 05:09 PM
I have not used Hotchkis 3" drop springs yet so I hate to pass judgement. In general I do not like 3" drop springs. I think the flatten the spring to much and make then over react.

What you are saying is true for many drop springs. You'll be happy to know that the 3” leaf springs for the 67-69 Camaro have a similar arch to our 1.5” drop spring. Where we achieved the additional drop is in the design of the bushing eyes.

The original 1.5” drop spring uses a front bushing with a turned up eye (standard), and a berlin eye in the rear.

The 3” leafs use a Berlin front eye, and a reversed rear eye. The change in eye orientation to the leaf equals the additional drop.

We feel very strongly about performance, and would never design a product "just for looks" if it had a negative impact on handling.

68problemchild
Oct 11th, 09, 06:43 AM
It would be nice o the know the measurement from center axle (center wheel hub) to lip of fender on the 3" drop and the 1.5". I assume the 1.5 would be 1.5 less but you know what happens when we assume...

This way we can eyeball the look from our current stance. I know I like mine where its at but my springs are 40 years old.

heyinternetman
Oct 15th, 09, 08:58 PM
I was thinking about using a hotchkiss 1.5" kit on a 67 with 255/60/16 wheel/tire combo. I also am putting a 9" ford rear in it. Do you think all that will fit well? My current leaf springs are pretty shot.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3509/4015033419_fe4f390e3b.jpg

Yes, it does go up and back down, it's not the camera angle, my back right looks more like an S than a U!

Radcannon
Oct 15th, 09, 09:08 PM
3 in in the rear man. I put 1.5 in and it raised my car.

Also measure your springs out of the car to make sure they have the same spring deformation under no load. Mine were off from hotchkis and the car sits just under a 1/2 down on one side

68problemchild
Oct 19th, 09, 06:23 PM
Crap. I have the 1.5 on order from Hotchkiss. Do you have a measurement on the 3" from Center wheel to fender?

Mine sits 15" now with the old springs and that is where I like it.

Thanks!!