Finally back today...... (sorry, it was a one time favor for me, I can't get them run regularly)

Some of you may remember the X66D80 Hugger Orange Camaro VIN 12437N661188 (odd vin) that had several motion mods on it.

Throughout the last few years several people have tried to buy it, but no one "knew" anything about it. :)

Joel was paid his fee, but refuses to give any paperwork one way or the other, ie, "Inconclusive"

Car was bought out of New York (actual), and was supposed to be a well known race car from the day (heresay).

Here's the latest update:

The NICB shows Curry Chevrolet from Hempstead NY (Long Island) as the originating dealer for this car. Dealer code 27079 (zone 27 dealer 079). Info from a 1968 Long Island Newsday ad per chevelles.com

There is still a Curry Chevrolet in Scarsdale NY, but they have a different zone/dealer code.
02163 (zone 02 dealer 163). Originated on 1970.

For some reason the Horsepower field is blank on the NICB instead of listing the HP??

Shipping date 6/26/1969


If anyone has any info on this dealer (or the car :) ) please let me know.

Thanks!

Rich

FYI, there was a curry Chevrolet in Yorktown heights ( northern westchester, NY) also all through the 60s to the 90s that was a sister dealer to the one on central ave in scarsdale which is still open as i pass it regularly

Holy crap,Hempstead LI is NOT to far from Baldwin Chevrolet,Dealership transfer!! Rich,Check your email sent you a Curry Chevrolet Dealership ad that was in a old Raceway Park Englishtown NJ program.Got it from Bob S who owns the original Salty Shaker 55 T bird with the Carman Rotonda 427 Chevy tunnel ram.Enjoy,check the name out in the ad,gotta find that guy!!!! Thanks for sending the NICB report,never saw one like that,most are verble and don't have all the info you have!!

Hey you'll see the word Yenko in the ad too!

Joel gives III answers,no,yes,maybe!

I was real surprised to see a line for horsepower. On my report that line had all zero's. Has anyone seen other reports and are the horsepower lines populated?

Thanks for the ad.

Rich

Pic of Curry ad:
thanks again Dan, where do you find all these ads!

http://www.69lm1.com/pics/ad.jpg

Rich,

Other than the originating dealer, did the NICB really produce any helpful information that you didn't have before? I am not familiar with the information contained in them. I have the plain jane JL8 car that I would love to get some information on and I was wondering how hard I should go after the NICB. I know how hard they are to get.

Gregg

Like I said above, there was a line for horsepower. If someone were researching a COPO then if it were a 69 Camaro VIN with 425hp, that would be useful.

I know I have heard that the NICB reports often have data omitted, and in some cases come back blank.

So, I would think if someone were looking to prove a Z28 or a L78 then that line (if in the report) would be the only other helpfull information.

It's not like GM of Canada where it lists all of the RPO's.



Rich

Is there another thread on this car? I searched but could not find it. I tried e-mailing NICB on my car no less than 6 times asking for just some insight or guidance on about how to get info on mine. Not even a response.

Wasn't this Camaro advertised as being sold out of Baldwin Auto?

I have not heard of an old NICB report showing HP so maybe it is a new style form?
I have not seen a 60's NICB that shows HP.

Wasn't this Camaro advertised as being sold out of Baldwin Auto?
I have not heard of an old NICB report showing HP so maybe it is a new style form?
I have not seen a 60's NICB that shows HP.

Yes it was advertised as such. Of course,a long shot would be a dealer transfer as both of these dealers were on Long Island.

At this point, all indications are of a car that was Motion Modded after the sale, either as a walk in or most likely the owner just bought motion parts from the shop and added them. With no proof, it really does not matter. It is just a cool car "day 2".

Being one VIN off from a COPO does not mean anything either.

There is a definate line for HP labeled "horsepower" and there are four "0000"'s populating that field. I have never seen another NICB report before, so I do not know if that field is normally there, and if so, if it is populated.

Rich

Hey Rich went to Google images and found some neat stuff,not sure if its true but it leads me to believe that Curry had a bunch of Dealerships.Looks like the Scarsdale location is still in Business could the Hempstead Location which is much closer to Baldwin LI been another Location Curry closed back in the day.Maybe this Hempstead location closed sometime after 1969,anybody know.Looks like the Curry family had Dealerships for over 50 years!

Called over there and they said that the Scarsdale location opened in 70 and the Hempstead location closed in late 69. Wonder if they could have dumped their inventory for the move?

Rich

Rich...I'm a Police Officer in the state of Mass...is it true that law enforcement can get NICB reports? If so, how would I go about it? Thanks

Rich,Good info.Makes sense they were advertising 1970 Yenko's at the new location.

Rich...I'm a Police Officer in the state of Mass...is it true that law enforcement can get NICB reports? If so, how would I go about it? Thanks

Basically, here's what I found out:
(this was just my experience, others may differ)

1. You have to have not just a police officer, but a sgt or above in the auto theft division who has access to the NICB database with a username and password.

2. You have to have a case number assigned to an active investigation on that vehicle.

3. As soon as they know you are working on a classic car, they (NICB) get squirrelly. Especially as soon as you ask for a written report.

4. They may call up the chain and make sure it is a legit request, so there is some risk if the unit CO is not in the loop.


I have been told by a few people here that hard copy NICB reports have become almost impossible to get. Most of the time all you can get is the info verbal or from the computer screen. I was lucky and got a written (printed) report on this car.

While I was working on this with the Lt in that division, we did see that there is a whole section for Insurance Agents to sign in? . I was wondering if anyone has tried that route?

Rich

Here is a screen shot of the site redacted:

http://www.69lm1.com/pics/NICBsite.jpg

Here are scans of the report redacted (several people have asked for copies and several warned to giving copies ie fraud):

http://www.69lm1.com/pics/nicbrd.jpg

http://www.69lm1.com/pics/nicb2rd.jpg


Rich

Rich...thanks for that great info. Always heard about a NICB report but that's the first time I actually seen one. Great work on getting one.

It looks like NICB changed their format or something.

That looks a lot different then the older ones I've seen.

I've seen several, this is a different format.
It looks like that's a report form that was generated by entering in the data from the microfiche.

Do you know anything about the racing history of the car?I know a few old timers that raced Pro Stock and Modified Production back in the day,and they might know the car if yuo give me more info.

Rich,Go to Team Chevelle,Copo section,guy from Hempstead NY just posted under 1972 Chevelle SS.Maybe he can help you in your investigation of Curry Chevrolet in Hempstead.Its a long shot but he mention a car cruise he was at in that area recently.

Last edited by click; Today at 08:32 AM. Reason: Sorry Rich, no street racing stories, promotions or links on our site.

You gotta be fricken kidding me? RichS was giving me a link to a site which may help me find some history on my car.

No Links or Promotions?

Hell, half the people here put links in their signature, from CRG to that detriot site.

I guess no one can mention R**** Ju*K any more either huh?

You just love busting me up huh?

You gotta be fricken kidding me? RichS was giving me a link to a site which may help me find some history on my car.

No Links or Promotions?

Hell, half the people here put links in their signature, from CRG to that detriot site.

I guess no one can mention R**** Ju*K any more either huh?

You just love busting me up huh?

Rich, the site policy is no links to sites that support illegal activities. Period. The post was reported by several other members and was handled. Deal with it. He could have PM'd you the link.

Rich,I have to say you posting your computer printed NICB report for everyone to see is Proof positve you got the NICB on your car.Most are verble. Thanks for sharing this Special Document for everyone!!!

Hey Rich went to Google images and found some neat stuff,not sure if its true but it leads me to believe that Curry had a bunch of Dealerships.Looks like the Scarsdale location is still in Business could the Hempstead Location which is much closer to Baldwin LI been another Location Curry closed back in the day.Maybe this Hempstead location closed sometime after 1969,anybody know.Looks like the Curry family had Dealerships for over 50 years!

I have some misc. paperwork from the Curry Chevrolet of Hempstead (not camaro stuff). I have an invoice from 68. It has a cool picture of the front of the dealer on the invoice and order sheet. I was mentioning this thread to my father and he said that he was buying parts for his 66 chevelle ss396 from there starting in 73 and he worked right across the street from the dealer at National Cash Register. He thinks it was open well into the 70's and possibly into the 80's.

Warren

Hi Warren, I understand that Curry was not known as a "HiPo" dealer, but does your dad remember any motion modded cars from Curry?

Any memory of who the sales or service manager was from back then?

The dealer codes show it (Hempstead Curry) closing in 70 and the "other" curry opening in 70. I wonder if they just opened a second location?

Rich

While we are back on the topic, anybody know what the "All Black, Special" Z-28's were?

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Rich

While we are back on the topic, anybody know what the "All Black, Special" Z-28's were?

Rich

My understanding of it was it meant a "Triple-Black" (top/bottom/interior) color combo - very desirable at the time - and come to think about it, now also ;)

Curry Chevrolet
626 Fulton ave
Hempstead NY 11551 office

Curry Chevrolet
530 Fulton ave
Hempstead NY 11551 zone 27 dealer 079 routing t/a 11

Hmmm. Looks like the Chevelle site no longer has the dealer codes on closed dealers listed?

You can look up zone 27, but 079 or 79 comes back blank now. If you search all zone 27 dealers you can find Curry at the Hempstead location but the dealer code now shows "closed" instead of the 079 that I am pretty sure was there before?

Anyone have another web source that lists the dealers and zone codes?

Tks,

Rich

What I have been told (by Insurance adjuster) is you call them with a VIN and they can tell you the date shipped and to what dealer. They can't tell you if its a Z28 or SS396. The HP line is likely because in some states HP was taxed but from my understanding is they used a formula to list the HP, they did not list the advertised HP of the car model.

Police supposedly can do a nationwide search state by state using a VIN. But saying that, doing it for personal reasons can possibly get you in a whole heap of trouble unless you have a legitimate reason for doing the search.

http://www.detroithorsepower.com/forum/index.php?topic=4208.0

Looks like the ad also states that they sell Yenko Deuces and have a HiPo shop "With the Super Secret Know How". Maybe they were a little more HiPo than I thought?

Rich

What I have been told (by Insurance adjuster) is you call them with a VIN and they can tell you the date shipped and to what dealer. They can't tell you if its a Z28 or SS396. The HP line is likely because in some states HP was taxed but from my understanding is they used a formula to list the HP, they did not list the advertised HP of the car model.

Police supposedly can do a nationwide search state by state using a VIN. But saying that, doing it for personal reasons can possibly get you in a whole heap of trouble unless you have a legitimate reason for doing the search.

I called. You can only get information such as if the car was ever stolen or any known claims.

They won't give out the date shipped or to what dealer to the owner and they won't give that to an insurance agent either.

While we are back on the topic, anybody know what the "All Black, Special" Z-28's were?

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Rich black wasn't offered as a standard color in 70. i believe the procedure for gmad was Wait until the dealer orders added up and shot the black in groups after taking the finished body off the end of the body line and massaged them a little better for the black paint . and another thought , the cars may also be a stripe delete car also as the claim is "ALL" black and stripes were standard in 70

http://www.detroithorsepower.com/forum/index.php?topic=4208.0

Since we're being civil this buildsheet is for an LS6 Chevelle SUPERTUNED with add ons by Motion Performance.I believe there is also a Motion Vette from Curry out there so yes they were either dealer trades or taken to Motion.The more that pop up I'm more than likely to believe Curry and Baldwin had a dealer trade program in place.JMO

That is good info Tim. Thanks for sharing.

Since we're being civil this buildsheet is for an LS6 Chevelle SUPERTUNED with add ons by Motion Performance.I believe there is also a Motion Vette from Curry out there so yes they were either dealer trades or taken to Motion.The more that pop up I'm more than likely to believe Curry and Baldwin had a dealer trade program in place.JMO

Thanks for sharing, even though we have not always seen eye to eye.

I appreciate it.

This car may be nothing, but Tom Clary was trying to buy it a while back too. Then some "caller id blocked" guy, supposedly from California, was trying to buy it as well later on but knew nothing on it either.

Joel still will not give a up or down in writing on the car, and I have even offered to pay for a SECOND "certification" as long as there is a written report (up down or inconclusive) given.

Still digging.....

Rich

black wasn't offered as a standard color in 70. ...

That was true for the early/mid year, but I think I recall a GM memo stating that Tuxedo Black was introducted into the color selections towards the end of the 1970 model run due to numerous customer orders ...
Probably wrong and it was for trucks or something :o


... some "caller id blocked" guy, supposedly from California ...

Rich

That guy calls me all the time also :mad:

I have obtained MANY NICB reports in the past years (2008 and before) associated with my prior work (now retired), and I have never seen a HP entry before. Maybe its something new, or state related as indicated above.

I called. You can only get information such as if the car was ever stolen or any known claims.

They won't give out the date shipped or to what dealer to the owner and they won't give that to an insurance agent either.

Supposedly true. The investigation would have to have a reason to ask for that info as the only reason for maintain the db is for criminal investigation and not for providing the public with free info.