Hi I have a 1996 pontiac Firebird with a v6 motor can anyone help me find parts for motor like cams heads or bolt on parts any help will be greatly appreciated or any tips too no i will not sell it for a v8 i want to make it fast without nos please help thanks

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MZXN1BIRD 96 firebird

i aint an expert on these engines(or any other, for that matter), but i think a lot of stuff interchanges with grand nationals..try hanging out at a GN board- but come here for the best advice.the guys here seem to know what's going on. I really don't know any GN boards or sites, but do a search for "buick grand national" and see what turns up.

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1971 Nova(looks like 69 camaro from underneath!)
355sb, vortec heads, HOT cam,T-10 tranny, 3.70 gears 16" IROC wheels

thanks man but i dont know because the buick Gn is an older carb version and i dont know if anything will work off of it on my motor
thanks any one reading this help me man please

any pont chevy or buic motors that are a 3800 v6 parts help or tips thanks a bundle man thanks

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MZXN1BIRD 96 firebird

the GN was GM's first attempt at sequential multi port EFI...that is what made them so awesome.i do think a lot of the bits and pieces-including turbos and stuff-will fit on your car, altho it may take a bit of work. another option to pursue would be supercharged parts off newer cars like bonnevilles and grand prix's, but i don't know how much different they package things for fwd.the only way to know is to research it.

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1971 Nova(looks like 69 camaro from underneath!)
355sb, vortec heads, HOT cam,T-10 tranny, 3.70 gears 16" IROC wheels

hey do you think that the heads will interchange i found a place that sells performance heads for a 231 buick gn and i wonder will they fit on my 231 3800 firebird motor what do you think let me know and the difference in the gtp gran prix is the motor is a L67 3800 mine is a L36 3800 the difference is that the L67 can handel a lot of boost from a super or turbo the L36 mine can only hold 9 max lbs of boost
so any more help would be great thank you much

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MZXN1BIRD 96 firebird

Try the super charger from the pontiac grand prixs, buick regals. Same moter just has a blower on top of it. They light the tires on those pontiac GPs will easy.

look dude the pont. grand prix motors are a 3800 but it isnot the same motor look it up it is a l67 motor built with different parts than mine which is a l36 motor built for birds and camaros it has totaly different parts internaly to allow it to handel the blower,the blower is not interchangable because the computer is different and the motor cant handel that much compression thanks though any one else got any ideas help if you can thanks to all please if your are reading this and thinking somthing please post it i appreciate your thoughts post your ideas

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MZXN1BIRD 96 firebird

if all you want is cheap and easy power with minimal effort, either do the smart thing and get a v8 car and live with 2-3 less mpg, or get NOS. maybe someone makes headers or something for it- i think borla does, but you gotta pay a premium for the right to buy their stuff. flowmaster and borla make exhaust for it i think. cams are around...cold air kits... or, like i said before, look into the GN thing..or just put a big wing and ugly rims, with a stripe running over the hood and roof-slightly offset to the drivers side- and make it a ricer...just kidding..oh, yeah- vortech makes blowers for them.i would say get a v8 car. cheaper and easier and will give more grins per $$$ spent.unless you are young, then insurance will kill.

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1971 Nova(looks like 69 camaro from underneath!)
355sb, vortec heads, HOT cam,T-10 tranny, 3.70 gears 16" IROC wheels

im 18 insurance is killin me now you said they make cams do you or any one else know where to get the specific parts you aree mentioning give me addresses or places to searchpluss i had a ricer and i wrecked it because the suspension broke at high speeds and rolled this car is better and i have a challange there are too many people with stock v8's that think they are the bomb well i want to blow ou there spot with a v6 that dose not have nitro but any suggestions are welcome

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MZXN1BIRD 96 firebird

call summit, jegs, etc...ask them if they can help. read magazines-i prefer petersen mags(HOT ROD,CAR CRAFT, CHEVY HIGH PERFORMANCE), and maybe the one for late model GM's( i forget what it is called-gm hi tech, or something like that). look thru adds in those mags, and start dreaming. if you want to get serious and make it faster easily,just shed a few pounds off it. sound deadener,AC,etc all can come out.even lose the poor excuse for a back seat. loud stereos add a lot of weight..look at it this way- it is just a base car, and is only going down in value anyway.maybe save up money and stuff a v8 under the hood someday..what the insurance man don't know won't hurt you money wise.

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1971 Nova(looks like 69 camaro from underneath!)
355sb, vortec heads, HOT cam,T-10 tranny, 3.70 gears 16" IROC wheels

check out his site for 3800 and 3.8 litre info http://www.gnttype.org/ . i think they could help you figure out what can be done- they have a discussion board just like this one.

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1971 Nova(looks like 69 camaro from underneath!)
355sb, vortec heads, HOT cam,T-10 tranny, 3.70 gears 16" IROC wheels

Try RK-Sports they got tons of stuff for that car. and you can get hi performance cams from crane cam for that engine i was looking into hi performance stuff for my old v6 car but all i could find is new v6 stuff. stuff is every where i can't remeber the page but some dude had his 3800 running 12's in the quarter on all engine but id try RK-Sports if you want headers, CraneCam for cam,K&N Fiktercharger System, and maybe a injection cleaning service to free lost horses. http://www.rksports.com http://www.cranecams.com

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1984 305 Carburated Camaro Z28

thanks guys you are all a great help to me if you know any one or runn acrost any new info you find please let me know come one every one else help me out if you read this dont be shy

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MZXN1BIRD 96 firebird

crane cams dose not have cams for my car the only have cams for the old buick and the old chevy 3.8 which it directly said not for use on computer controled vehicles my motor is a 1996 3800 serise II that is computer controled and fuel injected come on you guys mean to tell me that they dont make any thing good for my car like heads and cams and strokers and piston upgrades and underdrive pulleys and anything of motor upgrades that can be used when rebuilding a high mile motor come on yall help me with suggestions price is no option if you know somthing to do just tell me i need to know man heeelllllpppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!please thanks guys

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MZXN1BIRD 96 firebird

If price is no option go to the rksports page i posted they got a bolt on supercharge kit that'll put some kick in you car. and they got other thing check them out no heads or anything what you need to do is just get your heads ported, biger injectors and that super charger than you be hiting 300rwhp i am guessing. around 40%hp gain but if you want cheaper stuff you just gotta go with K&N Filtercharger best bang for the buck i got one for my car and loved it. And you can get B&M shift kit make it feel more powerfull a nice cat back from flowmaster will try and make it sound better but easiest way, is do what i did so insurance can't kill you, buy an old v8 car. Or also if money doesn't matter buy a turn key motor drop it in your car and don't tell the insurance people they don't have to know they go by the vin # and it says it's a v6.

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1984 305 Carburated Camaro Z28
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thanks man ill prob do that as soon as my money gets right what can be done to a head at a machine or race shop besides polishing and porting to improve performance . Can a cam be specially fground for my car since i cant find one who can do that. Where can i get pistons if i bore my block 30 over . will i need a different crank or can mine be machined what type of plugs are best will i have to upgrade my ignition what lb injectors then where can i get e fp regulator for a v6 then what else will i need some one talk to me just tell me all you know

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MZXN1BIRD 96 firebird

Try Thrasher Engineering. They are doing a lot of work on the supercharged 3.8

I doubt that much of anything off the old GN and GNX cars will work with your 3800 (not to mention that these parts are neither inexpensive NOR easy to come by). Keep in mind that you have the Series II 3800 which was largely redesigned from the Series I engine....so, I seriously doubt heads and such things will interchange.

I believe the only internal differences between the supercharged 3800s and the naturally aspirated 3800s are pistons and maybe heads. I believe the supercharged 3800s have a slightly higher compression ratio. We have a 94 Bonneville SSE that has the naturally aspirated Series I 3800. The compression ratio in this engine is 8.5:1. The supercharged Series I engines had a slightly higher compression ratio of 9.0:1. I cannot tell you what the specifics of the Series II engines are, but suspect that the supercharged Series II versions would also have slightly higher compression ratios (since my girlfriend's 1998 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP with the supercharged Series II engine requires 93 octane gas).

If all aftermarket avenues fail, and you are just dying to tear into your engine, you may try to obtain a set of pistons and heads (if they are different) from a supercharged Series II engine and swap them into your block. You might also contact Comp Cams (I tried to access their website tonight, but it was down) to see what they can do for you. They can custom grind anything. However, you are going to run into numerous computer issues if you modify the internals of one of these engines (they have sensors everywhere - crank position sensors, camshaft position sensors, etc etc). I guarantee that the computer will not like an aftermarket cam. You could also have your heads ported and milled slightly to increase compression, but your computer is going to protest.

I think your engine building options are limited here, as these engines are largely family hauler sedan engines, and the aftermarket push is not very great for them.

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Justin Traunero
justin.traunero@furman.edu

-1967 Camaro SS350 clone

http://156.143.134.136/default.htm

thanks man i found a place that manufactures heads that are computer compatible. so that is coverd and you are right every time i think i found a good angle the computer bites me right in the butt so maby i will eventuall find a way arround all that if you happen to find any thing that will help me or any one finds anything that will help me just post it im sure im not the only one that is dying to read these articles about the 3800 II V6 i know a good number of people that want and are trying to find ways to get them as hopped up as they can get them and i am trying to find it all out if i find enough information i am going to past a info directory and q&a page for the L36 &L67 3800 serise II v6 motors to let all those searchers out there know all that i know to aid them on thir quest as they have done me so if you are reading this and you know somthing your not tellin me just tell me this info will eventually help all of mankind by way of V6 crased inter net goers world over so find it post it and if any one has a question email me directly if you just cant wait elmer@inteliport.com for me to post somthing all of you thanks for the help or input just keep it up post it all thanks

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MZXN1BIRD 96 firebird

thanks man i found a place that manufactures heads that are computer compatible. so that is coverd and you are right every time i think i found a good angle the computer bites me right in the butt so maby i will eventuall find a way arround all that if you happen to find any thing that will help me or any one finds anything that will help me just post it im sure im not the only one that is dying to read these articles about the 3800 II V6 i know a good number of people that want and are trying to find ways to get them as hopped up as they can get them and i am trying to find it all out if i find enough information i am going to past a info directory and q&a page for the L36 &L67 3800 serise II v6 motors to let all those searchers out there know all that i know to aid them on thir quest as they have done me so if you are reading this and you know somthing your not tellin me just tell me this info will eventually help all of mankind by way of V6 crased inter net goers world over so find it post it and if any one has a question email me directly if you just cant wait elmer@inteliport.com for me to post somthing all of you thanks for the help or input just keep it up post it all thanks

MZXN


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MZXN1BIRD 96 firebird

No direct experience with modifying these; just some ideas...

Having the heads you have now ported and rebuilt along with a fresh mult-angle valve job would add power at a decent cost. Computer should be able to cope.

Check to see what ratio rocker arms come stock and look into possibly switching to a higher ratio.

Check into the supercharger setup mentioned above and also check ATI, Vortech, Paxton, and Powerdyne to see if they offer anything for your application. A blower is kind of pricey but pretty much guarantees considerable hp.

Whatever you do, get the K&N and upgrade the exhaust. This will help with any level of mods you decide to go with.

I have upgraded the rear section of my exhaust and i plan to remove the cat and put headers from rk sport with the Y pipe then run hi flow 2 1\2" from the y all the way to the rear section and i found a site that sells a single O2 sensor simulator for my car , then i found a site that sells a hypertech power programmer for my model car
I also plan too buy the performance heads i found on another site I am going to change my thermostat to a hypertech 160 deg I found bolt on performance coils by jacobs performance I am putting iridum plugs and 8.5 mm plug wires eventually i will change to a possy rearend with a eaton non slip diff and put the rk sport alluminum drive shaft and all hothkis suspenson upgrades with poly bushings I may eventually change to a TCI Racing tranny same type as mine (4l60e) so if any one fee's any gaps or somthing i should do that i havent found tell me
the super or maby even NOS will come later i am trying raw power first so help with the raw power department
so guys post um if you gottem thanks a bunch

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MZXN1BIRD 96 firebird

not trying to be a prick but perhaps slow down when you type and break it up with a little punctuation it is hard to read when you just ramble on from one thought to another without slowing down it makes it seem like i am talkin to an excited 16 year old girl talking about her trip to band camp.
just trying to help. http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif

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1971 Nova(looks like 69 camaro from underneath!)
355sb, vortec heads, HOT cam,T-10 tranny, 3.70 gears 16" IROC wheels

ok so far my car has a k&N in the stock air box.
and a vortec cherry bomb 2 1/2" exhaust ran from the factory cat back to 3 1/2" crome slant cut tips.
and i have removed the Maf screen.
and have a rk sport air temp sensor module for boosted hp.

future plans for the car are as follows:
buy a hypertech power programmer that i found on the net.
put a 160 hypertech thermostat
put performance alluminum heads.
put a eaton posy unit with the stock gear ratio.
i found jacobs performance bolt in coils wires and irridum plugs.
put rksport headers and y pipe.
remove the cat and run straight from the y pipe to where i stoped befor.e
put a O2 sensor simulator in for the rear o2 sensor.
and i plan to buy the cold air intake with dual k&n filters
i also plan to put the Rk sport alluminum drive shaft in place of the 2 peice version that is in there stock.

If any one has any good things for me to do that i do not have mentoned to do let me know
thanks

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MZXN1BIRD 96 firebird

hey guys has any one found anything new today i hope so if you have just post it if you have any direct questions e-mail me at elmer@inteliport.com otherwise post it for all to see please post if you are reading this and you have any info on v6 performance or anything related thanks guys

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MZXN1BIRD 96 firebird
ok so far my car has a k&N in the stock air box.
and a vortec cherry bomb 2 1/2" exhaust ran from the factory cat back to 3 1/2" crome slant cut tips.
and i have removed the Maf screen.
and have a rk sport air temp sensor module for boosted hp.

i still think you should gut it- that would prove you are serious. put a pair of aluminum racing seats in it,aluminum door panels with roll up windows(or lexan), delete heater and stereo, and lightweight gauges and shifter and what not. put a set of 4.56 gears and a posi in the rear end,a few suspension tweaks here and there, and big, sticky wheels and tires.i almost got a v6 93 firebird last fall to do just this type of thing, except i was gonna take the engine out and put my 400 horse 355 in it.even with a stock v6, you'd be amazed how much faster it would be. about 800 pounds of useless junk would be gone..
sometimes, i am told, it is hard to tell when i am joking... http://www.camaros.net/forum/wink.gif

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1971 Nova(looks like 69 camaro from underneath!)
355sb, vortec heads, HOT cam,T-10 tranny, 3.70 gears 16" IROC wheels

well that could eventually be a possibility but for now it is my everyday driver so i like my conveineince of all the stuff like heat ac and all the normal stuff so if i ever turn it to an off road vehicle i might lighenit tremendously but for now i just want to performance the car and the maby ill see what i can do for weightso thanks again post all ideas if you got them

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MZXN1BIRD 96 firebird
ok so far my car has a k&N in the stock air box.
and a vortec cherry bomb 2 1/2" exhaust ran from the factory cat back to 3 1/2" crome slant cut tips.
and i have removed the Maf screen.
and have a rk sport air temp sensor module for boosted hp.

hey fellas has anyone seen ,herd , or found anything new yet well if you do let me know whats up. also if any one cares you can find some parts that can be bought from grand prix sights. but i havent found anything on any buick sites so if any one has any part locations for the 3800 II let us all know please thanks guys dont give up on me know there has to be someone out there that can tell us all somthing we dont know. so who are you and what do you know



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MZXN1BIRD 96 firebird
ok so far my car has a k&N in the stock air box.
and a vortec cherry bomb 2 1/2" exhaust ran from the factory cat back to 3 1/2" crome slant cut tips.
and i have removed the Maf screen.
and have a rk sport air temp sensor module for boosted hp.

Have all of you people given up hope on me please help dont quit now when we have came this far come on i need suggestions and options and places to look for any type of performance parts.

My latest idea was to find a wrecked firebird or camaro with the same motor as mine and performance that motor, out of the wrecked car when it is completed i want to put the performanced motor in my car, do you guys think that is a good idea or not.

Do any of you know where to find a cheep wrecked 3800 bird or camaro arround the northcarolina area any surrounding states or somewhere that will ship me the motor pretty cheap if you know, or have any ideas please tell me thanks guys.

Question everybody.

Is the 3800 engine the engine that is a low deck 231? Like where they shortened everything up like the 5.0 Ford so that it's reciprocating mass and valve train would be lighter so that it would be mechanically more efficient??

Does it have little short pushrods?

Just asking to learn something. pdq67

ok the 3800 serise is not low deck it is just an updated model of the old 231 i am not realy sure of the rod size but if some of the guys that i have talked to in this post could prob tell you if you guys know tell us please

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MZXN1BIRD 96 firebird
ok so far my car has a k&N in the stock air box.
and a vortec cherry bomb 2 1/2" exhaust ran from the factory cat back to 3 1/2" crome slant cut tips.
and i have removed the Maf screen.
and have a rk sport air temp sensor module for boosted hp.

I dont know what rear end ratio your car has, but when you put in the posi maybe a gear swap to a 3.73. With the over drive tranny you still get decent milage and the low first gear gives it a good take off.

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Sam

1984 4X4 s-10.
327 / 340hp, 340 ft lbs
700-r4 tranny 3.73 posi

have you guys forgotten about me whas up watcha ya know

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MZXN1BIRD 96 firebird
ok so far my car has a k&N in the stock air box.
and a vortec cherry bomb 2 1/2" exhaust ran from the factory cat back to 3 1/2" crome slant cut tips.
and i have removed the Maf screen.
and have a rk sport air temp sensor module for boosted hp.

Rod size: Don't remember what size. I do remember reading a quote from a GM engineer years ago that they actually shortened the rods in this motor at one point to save weight. Seems strange considering the current thinking on longer rods.