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PA67SS
Feb 5th, 10, 12:22 PM
Here is a pic of my trim tag (http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab197/dimsighted/DSCN1119.jpg) and the car (http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab197/dimsighted/102_1814.jpg) . As you can see it has the SS emblems, but also the 327 emblem. From what I read there were no SS cars with that engine correct? The 4P is what confuses me, being that I read that was the code implying it's an SS350.

So what do I have? lol

clwilcox33
Feb 5th, 10, 12:40 PM
Decode for body number: 154447

07C = Built the Third week of July.
67-12437 = Standard Interior Coupe.
NOR = Built in Norwood Ohio.
760 = Standard Black Bucket Seats.
Z = (A50) Strato Bucket Seats (without headrests).
Y-2 = Lower Color is Butternut Yellow and the Vinyl Top Color is Black.

Options:
3K = (Z21) Deluxe exterior trim
4P = (L48) SS 350


CRG would appreciate more information on your car. No individual vehicle data or contact information
is released without prior owner consent. We may contact you in the future should specific questions
arise about your vehicle.

Could you please provide us with the following:

Name:
e-mail address:
City, State:

If any of the drivetrain parts are original, could you share the information?
(See http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml for the location of these codes.)
Engine code:
Trans code:
Axle code:

Do you have any of the original documentation?
(Protect-O-Plate, Window Sticker, Invoice, any other)

The best way to send this data is to e-mail this file as an attachment.

Thank you!

bcm66
Feb 5th, 10, 03:37 PM
4P can be either the SS-350 and the 12-bolt L30/M20.
The L30/M20 combo means 327ci-275HP, 4-speed
Check here for more information.
http://www.camaros.org/l30m20.shtml#4P

My guess is someone added the SS emblems at some point. But I could be wrong.

rafbody
Feb 5th, 10, 04:03 PM
4P can be either the SS-350 and the 12-bolt L30/M20.
The L30/M20 combo means 327ci-275HP, 4-speed
Check here for more information.
http://www.camaros.org/l30m20.shtml#4P

My guess is someone added the SS emblems at some point. But I could be wrong.

There is no 2L (M20) on the tag so it is not an L30/M20 car.

bcm66
Feb 5th, 10, 04:36 PM
There is no 2L (M20) on the tag so it is not an L30/M20 car.

You may be correct. I never said this was an L30/M20 car.

I have seen some strange things before.

PA67SS - tell us more about the car. Can you tell if it was originally a 4 speed car? What is it now?

This one does have me confused. Why does it have both the 327 and SS emblems? Who would someone put 327 emblems on an SS 350 car?

68 Ragtop
Feb 5th, 10, 05:42 PM
Strange there is no transmission code in the 2 position.
That means no automatic, no 4 speed, and no floor shift.
Whats left, a three on the tree SS?

PowerWindows
Feb 6th, 10, 10:17 PM
More likely an L30 with a three on the tree...

Kurt S
Feb 7th, 10, 07:48 AM
More likely an L30 with a three on the tree...

No, the decoder (post #2) is correct. It's a SS350 car. Came with either a 3 on the tree or a column shift powerglide.

See http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#67Codes

bcm66
Feb 7th, 10, 08:18 AM
No, the decoder (post #2) is correct. It's a SS350 car. Came with either a 3 on the tree or a column shift powerglide.

See http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#67Codes

Kurt, how common would it be to have an SS 350 with a 3 on the tree or column shift PG? And why do you think there are 327 emblems on it?

click
Feb 7th, 10, 08:37 AM
someone was trying to downgrade their car's potential on the street with 327 enblems. Sleeper comes to mind :) My car has SS on it but its not an SS. People do funny things that only they will understand.

bcm66
Feb 7th, 10, 11:11 AM
Jim, would the holes for the 350 emblem and 327 emblem in the fender be in exactly the same location?

RS3SDL2MG
Feb 7th, 10, 12:50 PM
Jim, would the holes for the 350 emblem and 327 emblem in the fender be in exactly the same location?

YES , RS 327 and RS/SS 350 fender piercing (HOLES PUNCHED AT THE FACTORY) are the same , the R in RS has the same hole's as the S in SS
the 327/350 emblem hole's are the same , both got a V flag under the motor size that is the same too ,,

PowerWindows
Feb 8th, 10, 01:56 AM
Wouldn't a PG car (even a column shift) have a 2M on the TT?

Kurt S
Feb 8th, 10, 05:03 AM
There's quite a few non-console SS350's in the db.

Wouldn't a PG car (even a column shift) have a 2M on the TT?

No, see http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#67Codes

68 Ragtop
Feb 8th, 10, 08:41 AM
Wouldn't a PG car (even a column shift) have a 2M on the TT?
I thought the same thing at first as some of the older decoding documentation, like my first edition Jerry MacNeish book, has "2 M" listed simply as "automatic transmission".

The CRG online decoder has 2 M as:

PWR GLIDE AUTOMATIC
(NOR - only used in combination with D55)
(LOS - Powerglide or TH400)

Where D55 is the console, so only NOR cars with a console AND powerglide get the 2 M code, and LOS cars get 2 M with any automatic, regardless of console.

Its my opinion that the CRG decoder would be easier to read if for 2 M it simply had:

NOR - Power Glide with D55 only
LOS - Automatic Transmission (Power Glide or TH400, with or without D55)


Thats the beauty of the CRG online decoder, it gets updated and clarified as new information becomes available.
If you look at the chart, you will see that it has different fonts, probably from when it gets updated.

PowerWindows
Feb 8th, 10, 12:56 PM
Well, I learn something new everyday. That's what I like about this site.

Being originally from L.A. most of what I know pertains to Van Nuys built 67's (as that is what I'm most interested in).

Kurt S
Feb 8th, 10, 05:14 PM
The different fonts are also discussed on the page. :)
"* Fisher option codes that have been confirmed (via UOIT's) are shown with their UOIT descriptions in capital courier font letters."

68 Ragtop
Feb 8th, 10, 06:42 PM
Kurt, thanks for pointing that out, I totally missed that footnote.

CRG has some great info, but I find it easy to make a mistake if I am not familiar with the material. My suggestion was made to make it easier to understand at a quick glance.

Kurt S
Feb 9th, 10, 06:55 AM
Kurt, thanks for pointing that out, I totally missed that footnote.

CRG has some great info, but I find it easy to make a mistake if I am not familiar with the material. My suggestion was made to make it easier to understand at a quick glance.
Tell me how and I'll do it.
I've redone every major page on the site over the past 2 years and have almost completely converted from the FAQ format to the current format. I've worked hard on simplifying the appearance but there's always room for improvement.
The one thing we haven't done is to convert it to a decode by year - e.g. all 67 data together (paint, engine, interior, etc). That would be a major tear-up and I'm not convinced it would be an overall improvement.

Garfields Maro
Feb 10th, 10, 02:22 AM
This one does have me confused. Why does it have both the 327 and SS emblems? Who would someone put 327 emblems on an SS 350 car?

Maybe a venerable 327 now resides under the hood ??.....just a thought.;)