I have an 86 Iroc with a 350 good wrench 4 bolt main motor. My camaro has a 700R tranny, 3.42 gears, and a 600 edelbrock carb. I wanted to know what I should do to this motor to beat my friend's 2001 Trans Am ram air. All I know about my motor is that the valve cover says that it is the new 350 motor.

you need to find a way to make about 400 horses.
the easy way is nitrous.
the best way is to swap in a set of aluminum heads of some sort, a cam, an intake, and headers and exhaust...sorry for being so vague, but i am kind of tired..
or, you could put an LS1 in it, and upgrade it to LS6 specs(or better). it all depends on what your budget is.

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355sb, vortec heads, HOT cam,T-10 tranny, 3.70 gears 16" IROC wheels

Go undercover and stick a piece of 2x4 under his accelerator pedal. http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif Just kidding and welcome to the forum IROCANTZ. I share novaderrik's suggestions.

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[This message has been edited by ORENCH (edited 11-29-2001).]

Welcome to the site.

If you are running something with cast pistions (which is probably the case) it probably isn't a good idea to take the cheap and easy power boosting route of nitrous oxide.

I agree with what was said above, get some nice cylinder heads on there, a good cam, and make sure that your intake and exhaust are up to pace with the new head and cam package.

Man i feel your pain, i have this 71 firebird with a pontiac 400, headers, carb,cam, ignition, exhaust, heads, hooked to a nash five speed, traction bars, polyurethane, leaf springs, subrame connectors, all kinds of stuff, my friend has a WS6 with exhaust, chip, gears, throttle body, and beats my every time, by a car length or two, pisses me off, those cars are fast, that 350 isn't going to cutt it, you need a roller 383 or a real performance 350, to beat him. NOw i got this 468 in the garage, he won't know what hit him when i find a car for this engine!!! http://www.camaros.net/forum/eek.gif

Cody, what do you suppose makes these new cars fast. Is t the plastic they are made of. Or is it the gear ratios on the trans, and the heads. There has to be a way to beat these cars. Would taking an identical engine and putting a carb. on it make it just as fast?

What makes these cars so fast is there power to weight ratio. We own a 2001 Camaro SS and its fast. It will run 13.6 with a good driver. The LS1 is all AL. which is very light. Unlike the old '60's and '70's cars the gearing is done in the trany. I think the 1st gear in the 6 speed is 2.7 where as the m-22 is 2.2 So you can run 3.42 with the same effect as 4.11 in the m-22 and have much more top end left. The suspensions are so much better they get more power to the pavment. If you have an old car looking to beat a new HO car you are dreaming. Yes those old cars are fast but for comfort and a RADIO!!!! and equal performance you cant go wrong imo. If you cant beat them join um

I don't think anyone makes a carb intake for an LS1. The reason the LS1's are so fast is a number of things. A)Great power from the factory. Approximatly 350hp at the crank. B)The heads are superior to most 23* small block heads. The LS1 heads are 15* heads, I can't quote exact flow figures right now, but I'll look into that. C)The trannies are geared nice, especially the T56's. C)Modern suspension. They get the power to the ground pretty damn effectivly with a decent driver. Same can't be said for my car(without suspension work). The LS1 camaro's and firebirds aren't really any lighter than our stuff. Especially the convertables, which weigh upwards of 3900lbs. Anyways, gotta cut this short, I've got school in a few minutes.

Later,
Joe

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Well, you have one thing going for you with the 86 IROC. It is light, I think even lighter than the 4th gen f-bodies. To beat that firebreathing T/A, you will really need to get in there and do it right. Do it in stages, as it will cost, so start with a good performance exhaust and muffler, then move on and buy your high-po parts when you can afford to part with the cash. The engine will need to come out to install the juicy parts, and while you are at it, clean it up. Heads, cam, intake, etc. will get you moving, and once you start putting out the power, you may wish to look into some nice sticky tires to hook all that muscle to the road. What rear end do you plan to use? The 3.42 may be a bit deep for acceleration, but see how it does. Then later if you need one, a 4.11 or similar will feel like you just added 50 more HP!

i disagree, in my case i have a 67' so i'm already lighter then the new camaros which weigh in at about 3600lbs i've heard. when i finish my 355, it'll put out around 420HP hopefully 430-440. i'm putting in a Coil-over wishbone ladder bar suspension so it'll hook up better then they do, they have a coilspring panhard rear, without any traction devices.
the new overdrive transmissions they have are similar to a TH-350 in first gear, and most have a 2.90 rear so if you have a 3.73 you got them beat.
most of them cars can be put into the 12's quite easily, so you can beat them, you just have to build the right combo.

Yes the new cars are pretty fast, but to say they can't be beat is not true. They are not the fastest thing at the track or on the street around here. It really isn't that hard to make 350HP at the crank, the problem comes after that. The trannies are very efficient (don't suck up as much power as the older ones). 13.6 is not all that fast (sure it is respectable for a factory car). There are tons of older cars that run in the 12's and can be driven every day. How much does a nice new 4th gen cost? For less that half that you can be in the 12's with ease. Of course you won't have all the creature comforts. They are great cars, but they are very beatable. They love mods too and respond very well to them. Technology (electronic/computers, fuel injection)is what makes them faster than the old iron in stock form.

Royce

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69 Camaro 385ci
2000 GMC Z71
Link to my 70

http://profiles.yahoo.com/camaroman7d

First off, which crate motor is it, and what is the HP rated at.
the main things that free up HP are a bigger cam, and heads that flow better, you could also do yourself a big favor by putting in a set of headers and an aluminum edelbrock Performer RPM manifold.

I gotta feeling that you are trying to make the wrong car beat your buddy's LS1 powered T/A R-A car.

And Cody said it best w/ his mention of the 468 BB!

Personally I think that you need to start w/ a pre-smog car unless you have alotta money to put into it.

1. Will your rearend take 400+ hp? How about rear tires and rims?
2. Your cast pistons can, but for how long?
3. Better heads are a start. A very good and powerful cam is next that makes max mid-range to low top end power to say 6,000rpm! A good intake and carb. is needed. Four tube headers are a must as is a true hi-po dual exhaust system w/ maybe an "X-pipe" in it.
4. How bad will you bend up your car with this much power?
5. And the will ta spend the money and do it!
6. Can you put your car on a diet?

And the list goes on and on.

The easiest and probably the cheapest way to beat your buddy's car is to put a mildly warmed over 454 (you know, about 475hp) in it and be done with it. But the only prob. with this is will the 700-R4 stand the power?

Sorry I'm not more helpful. Good luck w/ your project should you decide to do it. pdq67

Thanks for the recognition! This friend of mine is SO COCKy he always runs his mouth, my 468 is rated at just under 500horse and he still thinks he will beat me, wait till i get in my nova and setup the suspension right. I am going to put him in his place! U need to probably redo the whole engine, unless that crate engine is a zz4 or similar. Ls1 are not similar to standard small block chevys at all, they have no distributor, and i don't think a carb would ever fit or work. Also the block and heads are both aluminum. They can be beat though, but you will need some cash, exhaust and a cam won't do it. New cars are not better than old schools! They are definetly dependable though. A new car will problably last longer, but the value depreciates greatly. Also who wants a car that everyone else has, everyone is exactly the same! You can customize a classic,do the work yourself and it is your own creation, not some ordinary car, new cars are a dime a dozen and in a few years will be outdated, unless you buy the new model everyear,

I forgot to mention that I have headers, a holley contender intake, flowmaster exhaust, and a mild cam. I forgot the specs on the cam, but I put the biggest one that I could before changing the stall converter. They told me that I should be able to beat older mustangs with my combo. I can beat some autos but I can't beat manuals. I am going to change the cam, heads, and stall converter in the tranny. Also, I am going to add a shift kit to the tranny. I want to throw in the ls1 motor in my car but it sounds like I would have to do a lot of modifying, so I'm just going to see what I can do to this motor. It only has 6000 miles on it so I don't want to bore it out.

LOL, trust me, a 3rd gen f-body is not the "wrong" car to beat the 4th gen with. The lightest of the lot, take a 89 Trans Am for expample with the turbo 3.8 engine, can still hold its own with the 4th gens, and just imagine what a 400+ HP engine can do for you in a similar car. Besides, emissions controls are not a factor anymore once you lose the computer and go back to basics. The 86 Camaro is a beauty, and there is no question in my mind that with a bit o' blood sweat & tears you can have that machine stomping your friends T/A; maybe not in top speed, but for sure in the 1/4 mile. It might cost you 3 or 4 grand (big deal!), but then what did he pay for his T/A? $30,000 or so?? And there you will be with your 12 second car for under $6000 from start to finish. Do it.

[This message has been edited by BreathWeapon (edited 11-30-2001).]

Three or four grand sounds a little optimistic but it can be done, those improvements that you are going to do will help a lot, don;t know if they will take care of that WS6?

BreathWeapon,
You are right, but will it still pass the smog patrol's inspection? Thats why I mentioned starting w/ the right car. Or throwing alotta money into what he has.

He, He!! I was thinking more along the lines of a '66/'67 Duece coupe w/ an aluminum headed 10.25 to 1 CR., hopped up SB. that can turn out say maybe 425hp! Heck, I bet that I could come up w/ a bored 283 and beat the LS1 in a Duece Coupe!! W/ an old fashioned carb. and all!

I don't know what an '86 IROC weighs but I bet it's heavier than my '67! And most certainly heavier than a Duece Coupe.

Please, not trying ta start anything, but you can make anything run if you want to bad enough. It's just easier to make pre-smog small cars run easier then most others. IMHO. pdq67

PS., That 283 would turn into a 302, Z-28 motor real quick, so think about. And if that isn't enough, maybe up to a 377" motor.

Cody, i have the same problems around here, with one of my friends with a 93 Z28. he runs his mouth and says how he's going to whoop me.
well recently i was running a time estimator on the computer when walked in to talk to my brother and goes "what are you doing" so i ran my numbers and something around 12.3 second 1/4 came up, ran his and it was around 14 seconds, so i havent heard much from him.
One of my other friends and I both gang up on him when he says he's going to do stuff to his Z, we tell him that we'll laugh when his 7.5" rear explodes, so he doesnt bother me much anymore about "beating" my car.

Another perspective here . . . build your car slowly and right - you'll probably eventually beat him. Even if you don't you'll have something he doesn't, the knowledge that you built the car yourself! For me that's most of the fun. Going fast and winning at the track is a blast too, but I really enjoy designing and building my own car.

If your sense of enjoyment only comes from beating someone else (granted, cocky people bug me too) then you'll never be satified, because there will always be someone faster. Enjoy!

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camaroman7d
List me one factory car that goes 13.6 in the 1/4 with air.

Cody there were over 20000 69 SS made in 1969
I know they seem very rare cause most of them rusted out or wrecked. I know for a fact the 2001 SS numbers were less than 20000 and you Get a cd player, highway gears with the same acceration as the old cars with 4.11. You cant live in the past its gone there is no more 50 cent 98 octane gas. I know I had muscle cars when i was young. I had a 69 pace car with the 396 and a 70 nova with the 396 and a cuda with a 440 6 pack. They were great! but untill you have tried both you cant speak out.I now haveSSCamaroand it is the fastest car i have ever owned and it rides the best gets 28 mpg and can cruise at 70 with 1500 rpm not 4500. It has AIR!! New isnt bad fellas. Old isnt that bad either but the way you guys talk its king of the world. Think for a sec 32 year old bushings, 32 year old gas tank, 32 yr old raditor i mean stuff is gonna go wrong and for what you put in for a total restro go get a new one.

Alot of factory cars ran or runs mid 13's or lower in the 1/4 mile with air.

Moe Moe Moe, I didn't bash a newer Camaro. The fact is they do have all the creature comforts (as I stated above), but they are NOT all that fast. If that is the fastest car you have ever had then, I can understand why you are so excited. I have had and do have faster cars, does that mean they are better? NO it means I like older cars personally. I have owned 6 (two presently) Camaros and loved them all (3 were 1970 <hence the name>, a 1967 RS/SS, 1969, and a 1991 RS). I also own a 2000 GMC Z71 truck, so I know what cruising in OD is all about with great mileage CD, A/C, the works. It is great daily transportation, but I see all kinds of them on the road (not what I call exciting). As far as old cars with old parts, My 70 doesn't have anything on it that is old. I started building the car a couple years ago from the ground up. By the way it also has OD (Gear Vendor) and I run circles around the 4th gens all the time. I don't know if maybe you missed the topic on this one, but the gentleman was asking how he could beat a 4th gen (LS1). I never once disrespected them in any way (I actually said they are pretty quick and they are easy to soup up). Thought about buying one myself but being 6'3" they are not the most comfortable vehicles. This topic was not about who's car is better, it isn't hard to go down to a dealership and finance a new Camaro (anyone with a decent job and credit can do that). Not everyone can tell you about every single part on their car and say they built it themselves (those are the people I respect). Your point about factory cars that run 13.6 with A/C doesn't mean much to me, but Viper and Corvette come to mind (what does that prove?). Have you actually run yours? What did it run? Here in California there are just way to many restictions and that is one of the main reasons I choose to modify older cars, I like to be able to do what I want to them and not have to pass any visual or sniffer tests. For those that don't/can't work on and modify their own cars maybe a NEW Camaro is just the ticket. It is the easy way, only takes a little $$, not talent or know how.

Royce

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70 Camaro 383ci
69 Camaro 385ci
2000 GMC Z71
Link to my 70

http://profiles.yahoo.com/camaroman7d

I had actually thought about the fact that once 69 was a new car, I know what you mean in another thirty years new cars now will be classics. I actually really like new WS6's and think they are good looking cars! I just can't stand people who don't know jack, go out and put a down payment on a new camaro and suddenly think they are hot stuff! That isn't their car, they just make payments on it, they have no personality to them, just another new car. I

For about todays iv been pulling my motor apart. Today i will go buy another cam, but maybe one that will give my car some balls. I was also looking at the vortex heads and some roller rockers. But maybe u all can give me some combos i could buy.Whatever u all think that could win buy at least 2 cars.Now my other friend just baught a 99corba mustang so know i need to beat him too.

I'm 300% with Royce & other opinions. Newer cars, great. Just wait a couple of years and the problems they develope, with all the gadgets they have is going to be a pain in the $$ compared to changing bushings and a radiator. One thing I like about prefering older cars is when you park in a mall, some people even try their keys in other folks newer cars cause they are all the same and abundant. No such thing happen to a first gen. Also a lot of members here have new cars, but are here cause of their old ones.
This is not bashing on newer models, it's IMHO

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IROC, If you are serious about making power (which it sounds like you are). You need to buy the best heads you can afford. Heads are the key to making power, You can buy the biggest baddest cam in the world, but if the heads won't support the flow then it will just be a waste. If you can come up with about $1200 there are several nice options out there for you (even less $$ will get you some nice heads). Of course everyone seems to like the AFR's haven't really heard a bad thing about them, I love my Dart Pro 1's, the new Trick Flows are supposed to be really nice as well. There is nothing wrong with the Vortecs, but for what you are trying to do I think you would be money and power ahead to step up a little. Do it right the first time, cause if you don't beat them you will just be spending more money until you can. You have to remember they will more than likely make some mods too, so you need to spank them bad. I know how you feel about these guys, it reminds me of when the 5.0 Mustang guys thought they had the fastest cars ever known to man. They are still out there but they are sure a lot more humble than they were before. New heads and nice healthy cam and you should be able to show them your rear bumper. Hang in there you'll catch them (they probably don't have much to spend on mods after making the $500 payment/insurance) LOL

Royce

Exactly how much money do you have to work with? I say roller cam, AFR heads, forged pistons, 100hp shot of nitrous, 373 in the rear, 2800 stall, 750 double pumper, msd ignition, super comp headers, uncoater or coated, 1.6 roller rockers, airgap rpm manifold, that should put you in the game, but thats a lot of money, and you need to put it all together correctly! go with a comp. cam, best cams! by far. I would like to mention, that personally The new firebird WS6 are the best looking cars out, they are also fast and reliable, but they don't have the American muscle car feel to them, the feel like big Hondas with V8's in them. But I would buy one as a daily driver.

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IMHO, very well put, Royce.

I don't think anybody is bashing anything here but the point is that all camaro's have axles but only a few have a '67 12 bolt!

I want to get a 2002, just so I will have a first one and a last one, but the suckers are "pricy". And it's not so much that, but that da-ned insurance stuff that is holding me back. AND I'M 54 years old!! pdq67

Let me dream, I would order mine just like I ordered my '67, but my wife would have a screaming fit! You know, no A/T, P/B, P/S or A/C. Just P/W's.

Heck, you can't even order them that way anymore.

I didnt notice that anyone ask this. How many miles are on the motor you've got? Do you have enough in you budget to buy heads since you already have the motor down. It will be cheaper later if you can put them on now instead of haveing to pull everything back off. Since you are already going to by a cam the head choice could defently give you alot of power when you get back together. How much has he beat you by? A car lenght are half track? This my help on what your goal needs to be.

Shane

I agree with what every one is saying. Geta set of gears, a set of heads and a good cam, carb, intake and you should be good.
Also I have a 1992 Eclipse that runs 13.1 in the quarter with the a/c on and is stock except for a little bit of work on the factory turbo and that's with street tires!!

I'm with Royce. If you intend to do this, make SURE you are going to win. There are a lot of parts out there that will allow you to keep up with your buddy and there are lot's of parts out there that will put you ahead of him. Way ahead!
If you are going to spend the money anyway, dig just a little deeper and insure that you will be a winner. TAKE NO PRISONERS!

Well they told me that i couldn`t put a roller cam in my motor, and i need to know the difference between 3.42 and 3.73 and how much would it be for me to change my 3.42 to 3.73

who did i think they have there facts all messed up

I have driven both 2002 Z28 Camaros and WS6 Trans Ams. I have to say after a good hot rodding the impressed me. What suprised me is I actually got more acceleration from a 96 Trans Am. As for a race is concerned not even that 96 can't be a well built third gen. When racing I say it DID have 170 hp. It USED to run 15's. I had a 383 built just looking for a car. I bougt a 1991 RS and had the motor out with in the first week. I have to say that you could have a very very good chance of beating him. Except those rich boys like to hide turbos in there cars so be careful. Run a simple nitrous kit and I don't think any street car will be much of a challenge.

Everyones times here are with a bit of work. Im looking for an old car I mean your first gens bone stock with the bone stock tires the bone stock exaust everything stock to come out and smoke me on the drag strip. I know for a fact the my 70 nova would only run 14's with a 375 horse 396 as my 2001 SS camaro will run mid 13's. SS camaors are not everywhere you look. Sure there are a **** load of Z28's and base models but the dealerships have to earn these models. They have to sell a quota to get these. I know im not the most well liked guy on this old camaro site but the facts are facts and 4th gen aint bad. I can see why you have trouble beating a LS1 bump that 320 hp up 15 and you have an SS camaro. Im still looking for that factory car to run a mid 13's and yes my camaro has been run it ran 13.6 with a poor driving imo( my son) And about trying keys in different cars NO WAY. These new car keys have computer chips in them that only match with that car. You cant sell me that. My camaro has a gps alarm on it that you cant disconnect and if you report it stoled you call GM they track it down with in secs. I do agree with you on this mod stuff they arnt fun to do with all that computer stuff but a factory car with 13.6 1/4's is good enough for me a street driver. All in all you 1st gens are great but ill take my 2001 over anything other than a yenko. And I have a statement from GM that states the 2001 camaro as the fastest production( meaning over 2000 built) camaro. Just a little food for thought

Hey can anybody give me some specs on a good cam for my motor. I would like to do 12`s in my car.

Well I know for a fact you can't change keys in those my key almost cost 166 to replace. As for the Nova with a 396 running 14's. I've seen bone stock ones with the old hard tires run in the elevens. It had a set of ordered 4.10's but still. I actually was looking at an SS z4c, high performance option all option t-top camaro, but my dealership decided to get greedy and raise the price twelve grand just to order one from the factory. Two months after my original invoice so I said screw it.

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Excuse me! when I say try different keys is when you rush to your car at a parking lot and by mistake you try to open other folk's car. I'm not saying with intentions to stole it, just too much cars looking the same. http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif

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I had a bone stock 70 with the 375 396 and i ran it with the dealer 4.11 and the 4 speed and it ran mid to low 14's. Novas are great for smoking tires on saturday night but hard to get down the track without smoking the tires on race day. New Camaros are spendy 29,900 for my new one with all options but i know the dealer.

[This message has been edited by MoeSS396 (edited 12-03-2001).]

Explain to me how a stock 396 Chevelle ran 13's with a 2.88 ratio. Did I mention that I have seen 327 Novas run 11's. Food for thought. The dealer wanted 39,500 for an SS ZRC.

what is a ZRC? I have a chevorlet book that states the chevelle SS 454 with 4.10 ran a 13.2 and it was the fastest production chevorlet ever built

Iroc guy, how much money do you have to spend, and exactly what setup (drivetrain) do you have? Why can't you use a roller cam, I would go for 4.11's that way you can use a high stall, cam, and free flowing heads with no problem, 342 to 373 might not be worth the money, probably if thats all you need is a gear change-175-300 bucks depending. LS1 are great, but too ordinary for me, also they are underated, they get about 300 at the rear wheels, they probalby have about 360 horse, and they are all aluminum which makes them very light, with a great drivetrain, you can't just loook at hp numbers.

The LS1 are getting 319-324 to the rear. I saw a few at a Dyno Day last spring. That's pretty good for Factory. The cars a quick.
I agree with BreathWeapon. Do the whole project in stages. If you can also get a hold of a 850 D/P mech. carb....this would be a major jump for you.
A friend of mine just did this on a 69 chevelle. Big difference. Get a good set of headers and a 2 1/2" exhaust to let the motor breath.
If all else fails, Give GM performance a call and order the ZZ-502 motor.
Like Cody said..He wouldn't know what the hell hit him.
I always hear.. What the hell do you have in the car?
I have the badges on the car but they're not sure what a Z-502 is. They do now. http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif
Good luck with your project. Have a blast.


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Giving the Younger guys a bad reputation one pair of tires at a time, Maybe even on Christmas Day if the roads are dry.
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[This message has been edited by mobiletools (edited 12-03-2001).]

I have 5g`s to spend on my car. I`ve been saving it for a down payment for a new SS but, I just dont like the payments so im going to put it all in my car.Im hoping to run at least 12`s I also got my hands on the top gun nos system.But I still want my motor to do all the work,and how do i change my 3.42 to 4.11

My 2 cents: I have a 67 CAMARO and I just bought a 2002 SS 35th ANIVERSARY CAMARO, I also have a 71 big block Chevelle that is a daily driver and goes 12.9. My view is best described as an analogy. My SS is like a razor, the others are BIG CLUBS. Both get the job done in different ways. I love 'em all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I`m thinking of just selling my motor and puting my 5g`s on a down payment on a new 2002 SS.

best way to beat them cheap...check sig!!!

just joking all in fun seriously though we have a similar post on the corral forum,these vehicles are very fast with just a few mods and good suspension and tires.not hard to make a low 12 sec car.

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best et=11.94
best mph=115.18
rwhp=327
rwtq=333

So it takes a 5.slow http://www.camaros.net/forum/wink.gif to beat a LS1, is that what your saying Roger?
I dont know, I think you'll have a tuff time getting these guys to
sell their Camaros and buy Ford (sorry for saying the F word)
Mustangs so they can beat up on SL1s - that would be sacreledge!
Coming over here, trying to make us join the dark side, you should be
ashamed of you self, you just cant trust these 5.0 guys http://www.camaros.net/forum/wink.gif

Hey Roger, when you gonna drop a SB chevy in that Mustang
of your and run some 10.90s http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif

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DAILY DRIVER: 91 B4C CAMARO, 305TPI, TREMEC 5-SPD, 342 GEARS, K&N, CRANK PULLEY, EDELBROCK HEADERS, FLOWMASTER, ET=14.1@98 60FT=2.06
SOON TO BE 383 W/ SUPERRAM

small block chevy??!!

rafal as my 1 year old would say...gickie!!!

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89 mustang gt,stock shortblock,f303 cam,explorer heads(ported),edelbrock rpm intake,75mm tb,77mm maf,long tube headers,x-pipe,4.10 gears,3180lbs,26x10 et streets

best et=11.94
best mph=115.18
rwhp=327
rwtq=333

Man unless you have 428 in the ford (windsor stroked) then I don't want to hear about it. Because that small block chevy would wipe the floor with you. We can always match ets see whose better. Camaros you actually have an accident and live.

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Its hard to say if you should sell the engine and buy a new one. 5 will definetly get you the power you want! that is good money to work with, if you are going to stick with the iroc, let us know, give you some more reponse. if not good luck, oh yeah Crustangs suck! I had a 5.0 as my first car, fun but not really that fast, pieces of crap, ford really does make some ****ty cars, look at all of their recalls: they lied about the cobra, all of the explorers were **** , and now they recall the focus? Some of those 5.0's are fast, but they are still like hondas with V8's might as well buy a rice rocket, all those mustang guys like all the wings and bodykits and stickers anyway. I think the 5.0 are good cheap everyday drivers that you can beat the hell out of, they are good at doing donuts but thats about it, also everyone dumps all this money into them, and when its time to sell them they aren't worth jack!

yes i love doing dohnuts at the track with my 5ft high wing and momo's....(sarcasm)

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89 mustang gt,stock shortblock,f303 cam,explorer heads(ported),edelbrock rpm intake,75mm tb,77mm maf,long tube headers,x-pipe,4.10 gears,3180lbs,26x10 et streets

best et=11.94
best mph=115.18
rwhp=327
rwtq=333

Does anybody know which is faster?The SS CAMARO,OR THE WS6 TRANS AM WITH RAM AIR.

u guys need to settle down on the mustang thing, i dont like them eather, but he was just playing around.
but the ws6 ram air is a little faster beacuse of aero dynamics, but i like they ss looks a lot more, the ram air looks like nostrals.

SS camaro is cooler looking, i personally dont like the look of ram air hoods, looks like a nose pulled back (i guess it makes sense!) put a cowl hood on the SS and it'll be badass. the LS1's are nice motors, and you can improve there performance easily.

Since no one seems to responding with good combos take a look at this http://www.ryanscarpage.50megs.com/afr.html
If you want to stay with 350 cid and have it somewhat streetable I'd look at combos 12-14. Should put you in high 12s in quarter provided you have adequate traction. You need ~400 hp or more in order to beat those LS1s.

ROG30Y
Is that why you were going around in circles in the water box http://www.camaros.net/forum/wink.gif - and thats with a big hood, not wing.
Looks to me like your 11sec 5.0 is good for wuppin' up on some 12sec LS1s too - right.
I'd say 11s are pretty good for a cylinder head that only flows 213cfm http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif

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67RS CAMARO - STREET CAR, 502 PUMPGAS, HYD. ROLLER, TH350 w/ATI 10" 12-BOLT w/373 ET= 10.47@129 60FT=1.55 ~ ON MOTOR, ET-STREETs w/MUFFLERS
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DAILY DRIVER: 91 B4C CAMARO, 305TPI, TREMEC 5-SPD, 342 GEARS, K&N, CRANK PULLEY, EDELBROCK HEADERS, FLOWMASTER, ET=14.1@98 60FT=2.06
SOON TO BE 383 W/ SUPERRAM

Has anyone else lost to a lightning? Ok I know it is hard enough to beat an ls1, but with my camaro (figures below) what would I need to do to beat my friend's 00 lightning. That thing pisses me off, its fast. I have 327 30 over, fairly mild cam, 2.02 heads, 600 cfm carb, 9: 1 compression, and I am only running a fan and alternator. t350 aluminum driveshaft and really crappy gears (2500 rpm at 70 mph) and I have 2.5" 2 chamber flowmasters that dump down in front of the axle. 265 tires. Whew that was a lot now what do I need to beat him?

The new SS camaros have Ram air and do have 5 more stock horsepower then the WS-6

myproject68,

The guy that I bought my car back from said in a letter to me way before he decided to get rid of it to me, that he had a south Calif. drag strip 12.9 second quarter mile time-slip on my car!

The engine in the car was only a .040" over 327 w/ 1.94"/1.50" valve double hump heads, a stock, cast-iron 300hp/327 AFB manifold w/ an aluminum adapter and a 600 cfm 1850 Holley and Hooker 1.625" four tube headers! And when I gave the engine to my air-head nephew, the cam was a little Crane 290/218, 454" lift Blazer hydraulic! He said that the time-slip was with a set of small drag slicks and by running the dog-sh-t outta it!

My car has an M-20 and 3.31 rear gears so the sucker musta ran real well for a little warmed over 327!

Anybody think the 12.9 time-slip is valid?? Come back, please. pdq67

Moess396, they both have ramair, and the exact same engine and drivetrain, the exact same horsepower ratings, also I think the ws6 look way better than the ss

myproject68,

Welcome to the site. There are definately some ways to make more power, which will help, but I would say get your chassis and the rest of your drivetrain in line first. Put some gears in the rear and if you have a stock converter, you might want to swap it out for a little looser one (match your future cam ideas, or just go with something around 2500rpm, which is pretty standard).

After that, turn your focus to the engine.

thanks boodle. Actually, I was an avid post"er" on this site a ffew months back but then college started and I forgot my old sign on name so here I am agian with my 2nd post. Thanks for the info. Im keepin my car forever, imports dont have a chance, Im going pro-touring all the way, whoo hoo!

I know they have the same engine and both have ram air i was answering a previous question dont those 35th camaros look like **** ? Man alive stickers? that is all they are is a stickered up red SS. Not even a clear coat over the stickers!!! How do you wax it? GM really did a crap job on that and Im looking for a dale E edtion the one with the 385 horse vette motor.

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Hey! I kind like my 35th SS. when SLP is done with em they are up to 345 horse. The looks grow on ya. Mine is already worth 10 grand more than I paid!!!!!!

Well, not to be a pain in the a$$ but, I just gotta ask, weren't the Z11's just stickered up SS's?????

LOL

I had an '85 IROC-Z and the first thing I did when I got home was to get out the heat gun and remove all those crappy decals and stripes!! Make mine plain black, thanks! (I did run right out and buy another set to put back on when I re-sold it though!)

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How do you wax it man? Red has to be waxed every other wash for a nice shiny look. Its almost as bad as black heheh. Well I think they look tacky as hell. And about being 10 grand higher already hahaaha. I live in North Dakota pop of the whole state 500000 and are local chevy dealership had 4 of these ugly things only 1 is sold. I can get you one for 31g's if u want another. Or you can buy a regular SS for 28,900 and put a bunch of stickers on it for 10 bucks and u got a 35th. Better yet buy a 2001 and put the stickers on it hehehe. You better have gotton the 6 speed!!! That should have been manditory.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MoeSS396:
How do you wax it man? Red has to be waxed every other wash for a nice shiny look. Its almost as bad as black heheh. Well I think they look tacky as hell. And about being 10 grand higher already hahaaha. I live in North Dakota pop of the whole state 500000 and are local chevy dealership had 4 of these ugly things only 1 is sold. I can get you one for 31g's if u want another. Or you can buy a regular SS for 28,900 and put a bunch of stickers on it for 10 bucks and u got a 35th. Better yet buy a 2001 and put the stickers on it hehehe. You better have gotton the 6 speed!!! That should have been manditory.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey if you can get me one for around 31 g's I'll go there today. Just tell me where to go or who to call.

What are some good combo`s for a 350 4 bolt main motor to run 11`s with 3.42 and a 700r tranny,in a 3800 pound car.

One more thing does any body know any goodies to to put in the 700r I want it to handle the power of doing 11`s

Moe you must have a lot of friends!!!!!
Anyway they are numbered and certified If you have a dealer thats selling them for that He is more ignorant than you are about collecting cars and limited production runs!
Dont get me wrong I would rather have a 502 under the hood and on and on. but the reality is that it ain't gonna happen. And if you think that a man trans with a drop top is a good idea, you obviously have no intention of keeping the car for 30-40 years. The thing would be a rattle trap.

Could somebody tell me the difference between 3.42 and 3.73?

A little bit of difference, for instance,on the freeway with 342 you might cruise at 3000 rpm going about 65, with 373 you might be at about 3400rpm at the same speed, you have more get up with the 373, its like changing gears on a bicycle, if you put it eon the big gears, it is hard to pedal but once you get going it really moves, this is like a 273 gear, if you switch to the small gears, you can pedal really fast at first and get going, but once you get going fast, you are just spinning the pedal really fast and not going anywhere, this would be like a 411 gear, but this is what transmisiions do they switch the gears for you like when on the bike, you start off in a high gear and then switch, there is a decent difference between the 373 and 342 if you have a stick i definelty suggest 373 if you have a automatic and want to go fast on the freeway or get good gas mileage go with the 342

Gateway Chevorlet Fargo ND zip code would be 58103 or 58102 just look it up at the chevy site for the number. T-top or convertable Both autos and the t-top will be sold at 31000 is the best price he would give me but i have a 2001 black SS which looks better anyway Ask for Brad Sather.

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Those new camaros are butt ugly to me, i took a close look and sat in one at the car show in sanfransico, i was not impressed, the stickers actually don't look to bad, its that bland red paint, and those rims! grooosss, a set of ZR1/98 ss rims would look waaay better, i personally think that the WS6 is one of the best looking cars GM has put out in years! But i would take an old 68 rs/ss convertible over any new car, any day.

You thing we agree on cody those cars are ugly!!!!

Hi aobut the rearend gearing for my th350 68 camaro. I currentyl am at about 2400 on the freeway so I think I have 2:7? or 2:6? gears in my car. Would I notice a huge difference if I went to 3.42s and supposedly went to aobut 3000 rpm? Or should I go for the 3.73's. I know it was mentioned that 3.73's are bout 3400 on the freeway, but I have a recently rebuilt and sligtly pumped up 327 so would 3400 on the freeway be bad for my car? I have about 340 horses and non posi right now. So I guess another question would be if I got posi and the 3.42's or the 3.73s what would be my ET's? THanks I know that was a lot of questions but to summarize

I have a car I drive maybe 6 times a month, should I got with posi and 3.42's or 3.73., and what would by difference in ET's be

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68 Camaro 327 30 over about 340 horses, shift kit, but friggin 2:6? gears and no posi. This christmas will be my rearend's christmas.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by myproject68:
Has anyone else lost to a lightning? Ok I know it is hard enough to beat an ls1, but with my camaro (figures below) what would I need to do to beat my friend's 00 lightning. That thing pisses me off, its fast. I have 327 30 over, fairly mild cam, 2.02 heads, 600 cfm carb, 9: 1 compression, and I am only running a fan and alternator. t350 aluminum driveshaft and really crappy gears (2500 rpm at 70 mph) and I have 2.5" 2 chamber flowmasters that dump down in front of the axle. 265 tires. Whew that was a lot now what do I need to beat him?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I haven't lost to a Lightning yet. LOL Haahaahaahaahaa
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'68 SS L78
'01 Lightning
http://imagehost.auctionwatch.com/preview/ri/rickauto/Litesurf.JPG

Yenko HHA, I didnt catch on to your reply until I saw that you have a lightning. Ok so what does your camaro have, and can it beat your lightning? I would never own a ford, but if I were held at gunpoint at a ford dealership, Id get a lightning. If you read above how do you think I would do against one, if I had 3.73 gears and posi?

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68 Camaro 327 30 over about 340 horses, shift kit, but friggin 2:6? gears and no posi. This christmas will be my rearend's christmas.

3.73 is as deep is i would go. I like the 3.55 ratio. Ford finally made a truck to beat a chevy car? ill believe it when i get beat. You can always do to a 3.73 and run big tires or run 3.55 and run some smaller tires.

Rick, that Lightning is a BEAUTY, but to be fair with chevy fans I'll race it against another pick-up. What about a Chevy Syclone? http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif I've heard those are pretty fast too...

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Are there 3.55 gears for an 8.2 inch rearend, isnt the 8.2 inch the 3.42s and 3.73's? If i went 3.73's in my 68 with th350 about how many rpm would I be running and would it be good to run at the rpm on the freeway.

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68 Camaro 327 30 over about 340 horses, shift kit, but friggin 2:6? gears and no posi. This christmas will be my rearend's christmas.

Do not build that 8.2, it will be a waste of money, you need to go to a junkyard and get a nova rearend, find somewhere a old posi from a 8..5 and order a set of 3.73, and have it put alll together, do a search on this in engine and drivetrain.

Thanks Cody. I eventually am going to do a 12 bolt when I get my hands on a BB in 3-5 years. You live in Berkeley? I go to UC berkeley as a mechanical engineering major, hoping to work for GM and keep the Camaro and Vette tickin, HOPEFULLY. I bet Ill proabably work for maxwell house coffee showing people how to grind coffee beans, but we'll see. My Camaro is with me for life and it will never stop getting more "pro-touring-ish." I Live in Sacramento thats why my profile say that. Ok cool

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68 Camaro 327 30 over about 340 horses, shift kit, but friggin 2:6? gears and no posi. This christmas will be my rearend's christmas.

Thats cool, sac isn't too far from here, i am going to put a 500 horse big block in a 71 nova and use the stock 8.5, with drag radials,and gears and posi, a 12 bolt would be nice, but i think the 10 bolt will hold up, if you do some scavaging and search around you can do the whole conversion, gears multileaf springs/plates, driveshaft shortening, gears, rearend, gears, posi, u joint, for under a grand, around 800. If you do the installation yourself, 800 for everything is cheap, you can reuse or axles and brakes from the 8.2, me and my friend just finished doing this exact thing less than a week ago, do a search on this sight, there is tons of info, good luck on your engineering, i go to local jr. college, I hate school! rather be working on my car, but don't want to end up as a full time grease monkey!

I wanted to ask u all if a 454 big block fits in a 86 iroc. My friends dad is selling it for real cheap $350, but I have to pull it out of his truck and it runs real good it only has 35,000 miles on it.

if it is a stock truck big block, it probalby wont be all that great, but if you rebuild it , it could work, don't know about putting one in a iroc, but it probably isn't that hard

I'd think the cheapest way out would be to go with a set of 305 heads, with the larger size valves (1.94 I), (makes just under 10:1 wit a flat top) go with about 290^ When you blow your rear apart, plan on changing the gears out to 3.73's
Good lucK
John

About how much hp can the 700r withstand

I`ve just put 75shot of nos in my car about 2 days ago, my car moves but I dont feel like I can beat my buddy`s car.