: help me build my 427!
zack 68 Aug 11th, 03, 10:55 AM i have a ? for yous guys. right now i have a 383 in my 68 camaro wich will be a daily driver. it has a mild cam and 76cc heads which have been ported and a 650cfm carter competition carb. my plans for the future will be to get a 427 fuel inject it and maybe go with a supercharger or twin turbo setup. which do you recomend (sc or turbo) and why. also what type of pistons heads and cam would you suggest for this setup? also what fuel injection setups would you recommend? i want to start of with the 427 block(what block would you recomend) and build it up slowly so i can get experience on building engines(i have friends that are mechanics so i'm not going in blind). the build up will take some time but i want to do most of it myself. all your info is greatly appreciated.
thanks again
zack 68
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J early Aug 12th, 03, 07:25 AM Zack,
The questions you ask are not only daunting for the newbe but for the advanced crew as well. Superchargers and turbos not only double the cost of a build up(can you say 8,000 bucks or more) but require a whole new body of knowledge. All I can say is read and research. There is no way you can actually get all the info you need to build on a forum like this, not to mention there are dozens of opinions about how things should be done and which is better.
I think last month car craft had a forced induction shoot out, check that out and good luck!
zack 68 Aug 12th, 03, 12:31 PM wow, i guess i'll try researching books and magazines to get a good basic understanding of the inner workings of these components. can you suggest any books or sources that might include a simular buildup. i've seen articles on the 2001 supercar Camaros with 427's producing about 600 horses,in them and i want something simular to this. even if it costs me $8,000 it will be built over several years so that won't really matter.
thanks zack 68
btw if i get a 427 block, what other buildups for this engine will be sweet without the twin turbos or supercharger. like i said right now it is a daily driver but eventually it will be a weekend toy so everyday reliability and fuel economy wont be a factor.
cavemanmoron Aug 12th, 03, 12:44 PM near the Midland\/odessa airport there used to be a recycling place,where you could scrounge parts,
they would weigh your truck/van on the way in/out,and you paid by the pound.
I wonder if they still do this!
I got some spare rims,and tires,and an intake manifold there a "few" years ago.
kinzli Aug 12th, 03, 04:48 PM How about building a 10:1 540 or something? You'd have major reliability, tons of torque, and easy to tune. Building a turbo or blower motor adds to the complexity obviously but also cost and drivability to some degree.
A big cubic inch motor gives you tons of torque and you can make big HP up the RPM range for the cost of a decent block/crank.
zack 68 Aug 12th, 03, 06:26 PM if i go with a straight big block, do you have any suggestions on names or brands on blocks and were to get good deals on big blocks?
zack 68
Alligator Aug 13th, 03, 07:19 AM If you want streetable 600HP, I would choose from 2 options for the novice:
1. Centrifugal Supercharged SB with carb.
There are some guys in the forum with these setups and they work fine. Just search this site for more info.
2. Carburated Big Big Block ~540 CID. More displacement = more HP.
zack 68 Aug 13th, 03, 05:33 PM OK i saw some of the links about centrifugal superchargers and i'm intrested. what manufacturers produce these types of superchargers? i did see that vortec makes a universal SC but does anyone else make simular
superchargers? i talked to our local shops and they suggested a small block 350 or 383 and build it up to accomidate the supercharger.
what do you think?
zack 68 :cool:
J early Aug 14th, 03, 03:10 AM I am not speaking from experience but I have heard good things about Procharger, check out their site www.procharger.com (http://www.procharger.com)
This type of set up can easily meet your needs and have decent street manners. And as for the big block idea, don't waste your time with a 427. This is the same block as a 454 but with a different crank. Go for the cubic inches. A stock block with 4 bolt mains should hold up , small or big block.
zack 68 Aug 14th, 03, 03:22 AM thats kinda what the guy at the local shop told me also. he kinda shyed away from a 427 and told me just to go with a 454 or a stout 350 or 383 for my buildup. might just be his opinion but he said he leans more toward small blocks because the parts are less expensive and it would probably be a good starting point for me to learn about engine building
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pdq67 Aug 14th, 03, 10:12 AM Zack,
Here is what I would really like to build if my 496 BB doesn't give me that third gear kick in the seat that I am looking for!!
A 598 made out of an aftermarket standard deck height Merlin or Dart block that WILL bore to 4.6".. I only want it to be a street motor so would make it at like 10.0 to 1 CR due to aluminum heads for pump gas use...
Next, a 4.5" stroked crank rotating ***'y that will fit said block!!
Add a set of probably around 360/380cc intake port aluminum heads, a solid cam in the 240/250 duration b/c I am scared of eating a street solid roller cam!!
Install a big single plane and maybe an old 950 or 1050 cfm, Holley Three-barrel and some good fitting large headers too.......
The sucker should idle like a stocker AND look just like a 396!! He, He!!
AND if you do your own work, it isn't all that expensive when you get to picking and choosing parts b/c it isn't really a "balls-out" race motor....!!
Check Speed-O-Motive out but beware that you need to be sure of what you buy!! Parts vs a rotating ***'y and other needed things like bearings, gaskets, etc..., sorta thing, that's all....
pdq67
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