: Original GM Dash Pad for 1968 Camaro
Hot Rod Todd Aug 26th, 10, 05:45 AM My original black dashpad is in really nice shape. It is even still soft and plyable. I can post pictures but should not need to. Have not seen an orignal sell on ebay. Can you guys give opinions as to what you think it is worth? I know you can get repros for $250 and up but they are not an exact match. Tell me what you think.
1968guppy Aug 26th, 10, 06:06 AM It cost about $400.00 to restore one. And an after market in CI cost about $200. So I would give about double of what an aftermarket is worth. $400.00.
Sauron67MM Aug 26th, 10, 06:36 AM No one is restoring them to match the profiles and shape of the origionals. Anything else but an origional stands out like a cheap rug on a bald man. It's worth far more than $400 if no cracks and supple.
aburgess Aug 26th, 10, 07:05 AM No one is restoring them to match the profiles and shape of the origionals. Anything else but an origional stands out like a cheap rug on a bald man. It's worth far more than $400 if no cracks and supple.
I don't know about that - I got mine restored at JustDashes cost a little more than $400 and it looks brand new - exactly the same as it did.
If the dash is without cracks and still pliable - between $400 and $600. If it has cracks then less.
Sauron67MM Aug 26th, 10, 07:41 AM I don't know about that - I got mine restored at JustDashes cost a little more than $400 and it looks brand new - exactly the same as it did.
If the dash is without cracks and still pliable - between $400 and $600. If it has cracks then less.
Did they perfect their restoration process? They looked bloated. I'm talking about dead on accurate, exact radii and an absolute 100% match to factory profile. I had a customer's car here, the dash was done by Just Dashes and it looked like it was on steroids. As soon as I looked inside it was obvious. Side by side it's night and day. I have an excellent origional one on the shelf. This comes up often. http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=179188&highlight=steroids CRG is down but anything but an origional gets flagged in judging. JD does a good job doing them over but they are not accurate. So no one is restoring them, they are refurbishing them.
Hot Rod Todd Aug 26th, 10, 07:49 AM When Jerry Macneish looked at mine he said it was very rare to see an original in the shape mine was in . He also added that just dashes looked bloated and that others have incorrect grain. I have not even tried to clean the dust off mine so no armor all or anything has been put on it. The dash pad is the crown jewel to the interior and you are looking at it while in the driver seat.
aburgess Aug 26th, 10, 08:56 AM Did they perfect their restoration process? They looked bloated. I'm talking about dead on accurate, exact radii and an absolute 100% match to factory profile. I had a customer's car here, the dash was done by Just Dashes and it looked like it was on steroids. As soon as I looked inside it was obvious. Side by side it's night and day. I have an excellent origional one on the shelf. This comes up often. http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=179188&highlight=steroids CRG is down but anything but an origional gets flagged in judging. JD does a good job doing them over but they are not accurate. So no one is restoring them, they are refurbishing them.
Interesting question - I don't have an original one to compare it to. I thought it was spot on when it came back but without something to compare it with I wouldn't be able to tell.
Hot Rod Todd Aug 26th, 10, 11:12 AM Interesting question - I don't have an original one to compare it to. I thought it was spot on when it came back but without something to compare it with I wouldn't be able to tell.
http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv26/hotrodtoddz28/Dash/dash4.jpg
http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv26/hotrodtoddz28/Dash/dash3.jpg
http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv26/hotrodtoddz28/Dash/dash2.jpg
http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv26/hotrodtoddz28/Dash/dash.jpg
1968guppy Aug 26th, 10, 11:30 AM @Scott. You are using the thread http://www.camaros.net/forums/showth...light=steroids as an example in many topics but you have removed the photobucket photos of your original dash in that thread.
In any event, it is difficult to construct any arguments on pictures alone since the actual dash cannot be viewed up front in person. But if we are to have any constructive opinions, then it would be good to see your pictures and not just one-side of the visual discussion.
You state that it is bloated and puffed out. In some pictures it does appear that way but here is a side view of my dash after restoration.
http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww88/guppy_68/Picture461.jpg
Sauron67MM Aug 26th, 10, 12:24 PM Yea, I deleted them. Other sites are more convenient and don't require a host and pics are stored indefinately from one's own files. I rarely use PB. Your direct side view shows a greater convex profile than an origional. Origional tops and front before meeting radii are dead flat. And the radii are smaller. I don't even need to see a side by side comparison in person, I can pick either out instantly. I'm not alone. Presently I don't have time to do the pics immediately. Illumination of the pads does not always portray them correctly and it takes multiple shots to nail it. Next time you are at a show take inventory. People don't really have much of a choice since that's all that is offered. I'd pull the thread with Jerry's substantiation on this matter but CRG is down. Anyone with an origional pad knows the difference.:)
aburgess Aug 26th, 10, 03:17 PM Here are a few pics - of a JD restored dash.
ZZMike Aug 26th, 10, 03:23 PM Well call me dopey, but that looks like my original dash. :beers:
Sauron67MM Aug 26th, 10, 04:23 PM Here are a few pics - of a JD restored dash.
The deliniation of every line, edge radius, sharpness of lineal intersections, and flats is not identical to origional. Very noticeable in the first pic by aburgess. Similar of course; identical, absolutely not. My question is: Does anyone with the above pictured refurbished dashes have an origional in excellent condition to which theirs can be compared? Look at one when you have a chance. I'm not saying repros looks like a balloon ready to burst, but there is no doubt a difference. Perhaps the number of aftermarket pads is so overwhelming no one sees origional ones anymore. I don't even have a 68 anymore but I keep an origional dashpad just in case because I don't want an aftermarket one.
aburgess Aug 26th, 10, 04:47 PM The deliniation of every line, edge radius, sharpness of lineal intersections, and flats is not identical to origional. Very noticeable in the first pic by aburgess. Similar of course; identical, absolutely not. My question is: Does anyone with the above pictured refurbished dashes have an origional in excellent condition to which theirs can be compared? Look at one when you have a chance. I'm not saying repros looks like a balloon ready to burst, but there is no doubt a difference. Perhaps the number of aftermarket pads is so overwhelming no one sees origional ones anymore. I don't even have a 68 anymore but I keep an origional dashpad just in case because I don't want an aftermarket one.
Man - I don't see much difference in the pictures at all. Perhaps it we had two side by side. So the real question is: is it that original dashes are old and deflated (worn out) or that JD and like refurbers just do it wrong or ?
And to Hot Rod Todd's original question - if he has an original dash without cracks that is still pliable - what's it really worth? Could be thousands to the right individual...
Sauron67MM Aug 26th, 10, 05:02 PM Man - I don't see much difference in the pictures at all. Perhaps it we had two side by side. So the real question is: is it that original dashes are old and deflated (worn out) or that JD and like refurbers just do it wrong or ?
And to Hot Rod Todd's original question - if he has an original dash without cracks that is still pliable - what's it really worth? Could be thousands to the right individual...
Having one in front of you helps for comparison. They are not more crisp or flattened out from age. I'm nobody on this screen but Jerry M's post at CRG confirms the difference and the repro's unacceptabe appearance. At least as far as judging goes. I would think most would take his word for it.
okiemark Aug 26th, 10, 05:30 PM if it's the crown jewel of your interior why are you selling it?
I'm interested, do you have a price in mind?
Sauron67MM Aug 26th, 10, 06:01 PM As well as all my other contour differences stated, see Todd's third picture. Note the thin black shadow radius line on the beginning of drop of the leg. There is a sharp delineation edge in the GM ones not achieved in repros. Sharpness or softness of edges and shadow thickness define shape. (I do artwork and it's necessary practice) I only point this out because without physical examination, these differences cannot always be represented well by the camera.
ZZMike Aug 26th, 10, 06:17 PM Yeah, and if I look really close I can see a bunny rabbit head, and there's a turtle!!!!!
ZZMike Aug 26th, 10, 06:18 PM Back to the topic at hand, if it were mine, I would not settle for less than 750 bucks. It is worth it to the right person.
71maligreen Aug 26th, 10, 07:34 PM guess i will keep my original with the 2 small cracks!!!
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/Tonystoys123/Picture1409.jpg
Hot Rod Todd Aug 26th, 10, 07:41 PM A lot of people are interested. I am considering parting my project car out.
if it's the crown jewel of your interior why are you selling it?
I'm interested, do you have a price in mind?
Hot Rod Todd Aug 27th, 10, 08:32 AM So, lots of talk and a range of $400 to thousands. Anybody else?
Sauron67MM Aug 27th, 10, 08:47 AM Put it on the chopping block with a high reserve and let it rip. Anyone who wants it is going to battle over it with other bidders. That's what I'll do with mine if I get sick of looking at it. Unless I get a reasonable offer. If I want something I burp for it. Unless I have time to search and am lucky enough to come across something in my travels. Items such as this that are not easily attainable and make a strong visual impact command high prices.
Garfields Maro Aug 28th, 10, 02:28 AM A lot of people are interested. I am considering parting my project car out.
Another 68 Z bites the dust eh ??....this is too sad.:(:( And not just another but a Jerry Certified, BLACK, RS to boot !
Sorry, it's none of my business in the first place but a mighty fine example of what the hobby has become....$$$
As for the dash pad, maybe some folks would buy it as is. Personally, I wouldn't until it'd been thoroughly cleaned....I'd be afraid it'd crack by the time I got it cleaned up.
Do what ya gotta do Todd...best of luck.....
Hot Rod Todd Aug 28th, 10, 06:23 AM I know it is a super rare Z but I have not found a buyer yet. I have a ton of $$$ invested in it. I have neither the time or skills to properly replace the rusted areas. I have not sold a single part yet just exploring the possibility. I would rather repair it and keep it but just no time or money to spend on it. Thanks Gar for the guilt trip!
Garfields Maro Aug 28th, 10, 11:10 PM Sorry...but I'm feelin a bit guilty for bringing it up ! lol...As mentioned, it's none of my business. I imagine you've been struggling with the guilty part of it long before I showed up. And the sad truth is, it probably would bring more $$ by parting in todays economy....not sure ?
What do you need out of it ? Don't recall seeing it advertised....
If a person isn't too hard up for the coin, I'd suggest setting on it, atleast until the economy improves. There's many of us here, who put our projects on the backburner for lack of time or money or both. Also, over time, you may decide maybe you can do alot of the work yourself. Years ago, when I first got mine, I had no intention of doing the paint & bodywork, but over the years I took up the trade, practicing on other projects, etc. I completed the paint work a couple years ago, very pleased, no regrets. Still on the "backburner" tho...;)
'bout all I can say.....again, best of luck !
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