I started to install my new Holley Electric Blue Fuel Pump in my 1969 Camaro this weekend, but couldn't find a real good location. I have the put the project on hold until I can get some more information.

Has anyone installed an electric in a 69 Camaro? Specifically, where did you mount the pump? What did you use for filters?

Finally, the pump suggest gravity feeding the fuel, but I am not sure how this will be possible since the fuel lin exits from the top of the tank. Will this present a problem?

Thanks for the help

I placed mine near the gas tank mounted in the subframe. Always mount as close as possible to the tank and at the same level of it or lower, if possible. Also try to locate it so the outfeed side of the pump (tube looking to the front of car) is a little higher than the infeed to keep it full at all times. Remember to install a good relay & a 12 volts fused #12 awg wire to protect your toy in case of a shortcut.

It is ok that the line is t the top of the tank. If this is an original small bock car, the line is 5/16". You can mount it between the tank and the rear end housing just to the right of the center. Stay clear of any exhaust pipes that may be back there. If you ever see underneath a stock eliminator car, that is how you will do it. You will need to make a braket. I would use the fram HPG1 filter, mount it a head of the pump. You can use a pipe fitting between them. It will also have the 3/8" pipe thread. Galen

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67 Camaro street car
10:50's @ 128 on motor w/383 cid
79 Z28 w/383 9.1:1 3.73:1 Restoring stock apearance
13:40's @ 101 stock exh.& intake& Qjet
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Camaro Lover

Why is it necessary to have a relay for the pump ? I have had a Holley pump on mine for almost two years. I ran a fused 10 gauge wire that is energized when the ignition switch is on, with no relay. I haven't had any problems, but am I missing something important here ? Thanks.

Relays are good for making sure of full voltage and its source. Let me explain a bit. You find a "key on" ignition wire in you engine compartment and what to use it for, say you electric fans. Yes, you might just be able to connect the positive on you fans to this wire, BUT all the fans current would be drawn through that wire. Not a real good idea. With a relay, you could use that same wire to turn the relay on. The relay would then route power from a another connected source, like the battery. Now the current goes from the battery, to the relay and then the fan, not your ignition.

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Mark

1992 Firebird 355/Six Speed
1991 RS 350 / 700-R4
1987 Toyota Pickup 383 / 500 + HP 10.963 @ 119.95 Slicks / 11.997 @ 114.23 Radials
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Ron, What Mark says is correct and a very good idea. You will notice that the fans would run faster, the Fuel Pump would have more output w/ less load. Headlights would be brighter also. Galen

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S/B Chevy Lover
67 Camaro street car
10:50's @ 128 on motor w/383 cid
79 Z28 w/383 9.1:1 3.73:1 Restoring stock apearance
13:40's @ 101 stock exh.& intake& Qjet
smog legal
Camaro Lover

Thanks Guys. Sorry if I've turned this into an "Electrical" post. I have noticed that when I'm idling with the turn signal on, I can hear the fuel pump surging. I also have an electric fan that I have wired the same way as the pump, except that I have a rocker switch in the circuit. When I turn the fan on, I see the volts really drop on my gauge inside, but when I check at the battery, it still reads 14 volts. If I understand correctly, what you guys are saying is to run a wire from the battery to the relay, and from there to the pump ? Should there be a fuse in this wire, and can the relay be mounted under the dash ? Thanks, Ron

Ron, You can use the 30 amp Bosch relays. Any large elctrical house will have them, a Speed Shop will carry the ones in the B.G. Packages w/a harnes and Painless, Madd all have them too. I think someone just bought Madd indutries I heard. I could draw out the diagram and scan it to send. I am not sure I could explain it right. I will do that when I get back later. Galen

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S/B Chevy Lover
67 Camaro street car
10:50's @ 128 on motor w/383 cid
79 Z28 w/383 9.1:1 3.73:1 Restoring stock apearance
13:40's @ 101 stock exh.& intake& Qjet
smog legal
Camaro Lover

RLRR,

I too have a Holley BLUE pump that is mounted back by the gas tank. If I had to do it over again though I would get a Mallory Electric because that Holley is so damn LOUD!!!! I also shold have isolated the pump from the frame with rubber mounts but I didn't yet so it is probably louder than it should be anyway.

I had the Holley and the Mallory. When I put the 383 in, I went for a Barry Grant pump. Works great and you cannot hear it.

For each of you parts, fan, pump, etc, use a seperate relay, with a seperate power feed.


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Mark

1992 Firebird 355/Six Speed
1991 RS 350 / 700-R4
1987 Toyota Pickup 383 / 500 + HP 10.963 @ 119.95 Slicks / 11.997 @ 114.23 Radials
http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/~racer383/

I had a mallory pump - it went out recently. I replaced it with an older Holley blue pump that was noisy as hell even when rubber isolated. It also eventually went out. I setteled on a Holley red pump (that's all the local shop had and I was shut down!). It too generates a bit of noise, but isn't as obnoxious as the blue pump was. I've installed it and a Mallory filter just in front of the gas tank, before the axle. You can see a picture of the installation at http://users.ev1.net/~martyp/69Camaro/Marty.htm Note this page takes a while to load because of some large pics....

Marty

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Marty

69 Camaro, 350, TrickFlow heads, T5, 3.73

[This message has been edited by 69CamaroSS (edited 10-30-2000).]

Mark,

I think I will try that Barry Grant fuel pump. I have the 750DP Speed Demon carb now and it is a DREAM!!!

Thnaks for the info!!!

Also MARTY,
I noticed you changed out your pulleys. Whose did you use, what are they (polished, chrome???), and how did they align???



[This message has been edited by sr71bb (edited 10-31-2000).]

I really got tired of the noise from my Holly blue, just installed a Holley mechanical. Works great and took a lot of worry off my shoulders of getting stranded because of a fuel pump failure. I also still carry around a set of points and a condenser just incase my Crane ignition system goes out. I have the XR700 electronic conversion from Crane. I have had no problems, but the first time you get out of town a little I know it is going to breakdown. My lack of faith in the two items are not from experience but lack of. Any one with experience in these items?

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Thanks to everyone for the great advice. I've decided to make a bracket, plumb some 3/8 braided line,use the fram filter, and get a relay.

Thanks for the help everyone.

Used to to carry the conversion for my MSD around. It allowed me to jump back to normal ignition if it failed. I have run my truck on the street HARD since early 94' and never lost a fuel pump or MSD box. I think there has been leaps and bounds in the durability of these products over the past ten years of so. Not that is still may not be a good idea to carry these parts, but I just have never seen the need to use them.

I did lose a Holley blue once, on the way back from the track. At the time, I was running one blue for the motor and one blue for the NOS. A quick change of the fuel lines and off I went. changed to Barry Grant after the next pay check though.

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Mark

1992 Firebird 355/Six Speed
1991 RS 350 / 700-R4
1987 Toyota Pickup 383 / 500 + HP 10.963 @ 119.95 Slicks / 11.997 @ 114.23 Radials
http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/~racer383/

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SR71,

I bought the March underdrive pulleys. They lined up great. Solved all my problems once I got a new water pump. "Seemed" that it was a bit snappier with the underdrives. I've got a picture or two on my web site.

Marty http://users.ev1.net/~martyp/69Camaro/Marty.htm

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Marty

69 Camaro, 350, TrickFlow heads, T5, 3.73

Thanks Marty,

I thought those were March's. I was playing around with the idea of their serpentine belt system but NO WAY that's worth $1.100.00 to me at least.

I talked to the March REP and he said those V-belt pulleys were machine finished with a clear coat on them and required NO MAINTENANCE and WOULD NOT dull.

Marty, have you found that to be true on your pulleys????

SR71,

I've not had the pulleys very long. But the look great and I haven't had to do anything to them. If you noticed, I havent' yet installed the alternator pulley. When I measured the original and the March one, they weren't direct replacement. The March one has a raised portion on the back. I talked to March and they suggested that I have a local machine shop cut it down. I've not had the time to do this as of yet. I'm guessing that it's related to the old style altenator???

Marty

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Marty

69 Camaro, 350, TrickFlow heads, T5, 3.73

Thanks Marty!!!