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: Fake or Real?


68RS/SS_396
Oct 11th, 10, 12:37 PM
Hey guys, new to the muscle car game, purchased a 68 camaro and have a few questions about the orginality of the trim tag as it seems prevelant to have a repro trim tag and trying to decide if I've fallen victim as well. It was listed as a RS/SS with a different 396 put in by a PO. I'm getting the title history on the vehicle with prior owners tomorrow, but was curious as to what the experts thought of my trim tag. 18119 here is a link to it as well.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54626750@N02/5072802544/

Thank you in advance

john68
Oct 11th, 10, 12:51 PM
First I do NOT know tags, I have a 68, 04A build, Body # 110787, I have the broadcast
sheet. Drove home from the dealer NEW, It had the rare V8, and radio delete. Still have it.

JeffD
Oct 11th, 10, 02:51 PM
Looks like a real GM trim tag to me. It also looks like that tag might have been taken off the firewall at some point. That's just a guess based on the different thickness/texture of paint on the surrounding firewall, plus the appearance of the rivets.

I think your VIN should be near the range from N408000 to N409500 to be a good pairing with that trim tag.

kettbo
Oct 11th, 10, 03:00 PM
Looks like a real GM trim tag to me. It also looks like that tag might have been taken off the firewall at some point. That's just a guess based on the different thickness/texture of paint on the surrounding firewall, plus the appearance of the rivets.

I think your VIN should be near the range from N408000 to N409500 to be a good pairing with that trim tag.


Here is my Norwood trim tag
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs801.snc4/68154_156786464354474_100000693631228_321102_66092 72_n.jpg

FWIW, the 68 Trim Tag says next to nothing about what the car came with!
Interior
Body paint
Top color
month/week
nothing on any 68 to say SS, RS, SS/RS, Z-28

78MBA
Oct 11th, 10, 03:51 PM
IMO the tag is real and it does not appear to have ever been off of the firewall.

YenkoSC
Oct 11th, 10, 03:51 PM
There isn't really a reason to fake a 69 trim tag as you can't tell any options from them.

1969 RS/SS DROPTOP
Oct 11th, 10, 04:04 PM
There isn't really a reason to fake a 69 trim tag as you can't tell any options from them.

You mean 68.

68RS/SS_396
Oct 12th, 10, 05:34 PM
here is another question that I've searched on the forum and the net for and cant find. I'm hoping this is the right location that I took the picture of.

to the best i can see the block reads 8855272 with a GM4 CONV right above it... Any help would be appreciated. What kind of block is this?

Jeremiah
Oct 12th, 10, 07:49 PM
It looks to me like it has been removed at some point and re installed?

Original tag or not, I cant tell?

DanW
Oct 12th, 10, 09:22 PM
Did you enhance or darken the numbers digitally in the photo? Could the numbers be 3955272? (1969 396 block) That is the closest number I can find for a block number.

bcm66
Oct 13th, 10, 12:05 AM
here is another question that I've searched on the forum and the net for and cant find. I'm hoping this is the right location that I took the picture of.

to the best i can see the block reads 8855272 with a GM4 CONV right above it... Any help would be appreciated. What kind of block is this?

Is there anything stamped on the front pad of the engine block in front of the passenger side cylinder head?

As already mentioned, could be a 1969 396 block if casting number is 3955272. But really hard to tell from the picture you posted.

DOUG G
Oct 13th, 10, 02:25 AM
I agree with the tag possibly being removed at some point....but as said,tag gives no clues:noway:

Mine...

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/Dougs68Camaro/camarotag02.jpg

YenkoSC
Oct 13th, 10, 02:45 AM
You mean 68.

Yeh...mistake.

The tag does look real though.

68RS/SS_396
Oct 13th, 10, 08:02 AM
I have not altered the picture of the casting number at all... There is a number on the front passengers side of the block which is 3548 if that helps

Doug I see you have an original British green as well, do you go back to the original color?

DOUG G
Oct 13th, 10, 09:50 AM
No. :)
Check signature

3forme
Oct 13th, 10, 02:27 PM
Justin, check the casting date on the motor. Passenger side low on the block.
An example would be L 6 8 which would be Dec 6, 68. It looks to be a 69 396 to me.

68RS/SS_396
Oct 13th, 10, 03:40 PM
Thank you guys, I will try and check the casting date when I get home, tho it may be difficult since the motor is still in the car... I still think the numbers are 8855272, I've asked a few people at work, who know nothing about camaro's and they keep coming up with the same number without me telling them. here is a link to my flckr account with a few more pictures to help out. http://www.flickr.com/photos/54626750@N02/5079099889/in/photostream/
I just cant find ANYthing with this casting number, and I really hope that this is the correct location that I took the picture. It is on the back of the block on the drivers side right by the bellhousing(?) of the transmission.

pjbizjak
Oct 13th, 10, 05:05 PM
Take as small wire brush and brush the casting number and I think you will find that it's a 3955272.

68RS/SS_396
Oct 13th, 10, 05:25 PM
If it is 3955272 then that makes it a '69 396/375hp motor right? Or possibly a Light Duty truck motor?

DanW
Oct 13th, 10, 06:22 PM
Thank you guys, I will try and check the casting date when I get home, tho it may be difficult since the motor is still in the car... I still think the numbers are 8855272, I've asked a few people at work, who know nothing about camaro's and they keep coming up with the same number without me telling them. here is a link to my flckr account with a few more pictures to help out. http://www.flickr.com/photos/54626750@N02/5079099889/in/photostream/
I just cant find ANYthing with this casting number, and I really hope that this is the correct location that I took the picture. It is on the back of the block on the drivers side right by the bellhousing(?) of the transmission.

I think you will see in this picture
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54626750@N02/5079099249/in/photostream/lightbox/
that it is 3955272.

Are there any numbers stamped on the block on the passenger front engine pad next to the head or near the oil filter? If so, post some pics.

bcm66
Oct 14th, 10, 12:09 AM
He was already asked about the front pad of the block and here is what he said. :)

I have not altered the picture of the casting number at all... There is a number on the front passengers side of the block which is 3548 if that helps

Try cleaning that area a bit more to see if there is anything else. There should be more that just 3548 there.

That casting number was used for the 396/402 in part of the 1969 model year for Camaro, Chevelle, Nova and full size - all hp ratings including 325 hp, 350 hp, 375 hp and also 265 hp (with 2 barrel carb).

If it is 3955272 then that makes it a '69 396/375hp motor right? Or possibly a Light Duty truck motor?

Block would have to have 4 bolt main caps from the factory to be a 375 hp block.

Petes L48
Oct 14th, 10, 08:32 AM
Going way out on a limb here, but any chance that block is a marine application and the casting really is 8855272, and the stamp pad does only have 4 digits?

68camaroz28
Oct 16th, 10, 04:27 AM
Why not additionally check some other date code items like the rear and trans and compare to trim tag date?

JohnZ
Oct 16th, 10, 05:33 PM
Going way out on a limb here, but any chance that block is a marine application and the casting really is 8855272, and the stamp pad does only have 4 digits?

Nope. There was never a block casting number that started with 885; it's 3955272. The 3548 on the front pad is most likely a rebuilder's code.

:beers:

68RS/SS_396
Oct 18th, 10, 08:26 AM
Sorry for not posting these sooner, but I was able to get a picture of the only other numbers I saw yesterday and here it is

mahunt
Oct 18th, 10, 11:08 AM
Is that a second gen motor mount?