12437911544003

ST 99 12437 NOR 209227

TR 712 52

12B X11


Listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-CAMARO-SS-350-GARNET-RED-X11-/220715984194?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorie s&hash=item3363b2a542#ht_500wt_976

For as little good as it would do I reported it to e-bay.

Thanks Ryan, every report helps ...

I just reported it as well

Im not saying its right to sell those tags, but what is the reason on reporting it? Just trying to broaden my knowledge concepts is all so please dont get mad..

Im not saying its right to sell those tags, but what is the reason on reporting it?
...

I'm trying to figure out if you're kidding - but just in case your not;
??? Soooo, why would someone want a 'loose' VIN :confused:
Oh, I know ... to create a BOGUS vehicle to rip someone off :thumbsup:

And not only is it 'not right' - it is Illegal in all states ;)

see? some people think it is ok

unbelievable

It is unlawful for one

Im not saying its right to sell those tags, but what is the reason on reporting it? Just trying to broaden my knowledge concepts is all so please dont get mad..

It is illegal to remove a VIN plate from a vehicle and put it on another car. They can build a plain jane 6cyl to the specs of the trim tag and it could be worth more. Especially if it is a z or big block etc. Also could swap the tags onto a stolen car.

12437911544003
ST 99 12437 NOR 209227
TR 712 52
12B X11

Rick, you have "11" instead of "N" above. It should be 124379N544003. And you also have ST 99 when it should be ST 69. Minor issues, but if someone is looking for this info later on with a search, they won't find it. You might want to edit the post.

Ed

I have added it to my database with the pic and info. I track these. Have been for quite a while.

When seeing these on ebay, it is very important to record the VIN and body number plus tag info here in the post. This stuff can be searchable down the road. If you report it to ebay and they take the ad down, the info is lost forever and of no use to us here.

http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/500/medium/124379N544003.jpg

gone:

This listing (220715984194) has been removed, or this item is not available.

I have added it to my database with the pic and info. I track these. Have been for quite a while.


:thumbsup: Mike
Excellent point!

Since the OP had included the info (which I didn't even proof-read as Ed did :o ) I made a copy for my files, but didn't do a 'future search' post.

For future search:
VIN 124379N544003

Cowl;
ST 69 12437 NOR 209227
TR 712 52 B
12B X11
(note: added the 'B' for roof color)

And a few others made file inputs also ;)
19593

Rick, you have "11" instead of "N" above. It should be 124379N544003. And you also have ST 99 when it should be ST 69. Minor issues, but if someone is looking for this info later on with a search, they won't find it. You might want to edit the post.

Ed

Thanks ED for the heads up on this one; with my poor eye site trying to decifer the numbers I miss represented the "N" as an "11" by the time I got around to it my edit option was defunct. Not really a valid excuse as I should have known better just reading the information.

Thanks for the fix Vintage 68.

Rick

Did you happen to notice which state or city these were from?

Did you happen to notice which state or city these were from?

last registered in Iowa

it would probably be a good idea to track the seller / location too, they may try to slip them into another sale

Illegal is sugar coating it. It is a felony.

At least he could have spiffied them up. That VIN looks like it was torn out with a pair of bolt cutters. Whenever this stuff happenes,whoever sees it should print up a copy of the listing right away. Once it is pulled down we loose all the other info. I would be great to be able to show the listins,then investigate the seller and some of the other people he is doing business with.

Its a shame they are even able to list it on ebay. Does no one at ebay check these ads? I know they pull the guy selling his kidney or worse a kid?

why not auto theft?

They pull it if they catch it,but they dont really look at car parts. Pretty much the only thing that will raise a red flag for them would be if the actual title of the add said "VIN TAG FOR SALE" Other then that,they dont know much about what is being sold in their auctions. With about 5000 listings per second going on they cant check any of them. They rely on guys like us to drop a dime.

And lets face it,they arent experts either. If I listed a car on there right now with a picture of the dash VIN and a picture of the hidden VIN and they didnt match,the "experts" at Ebay wwould have no way of knowing what they were looking at. Same goes for bogus trim tags,restamped engines ect. Millions of dollars per year in fraud takes place in Ebay and other internet auctions every year.

Should Ebay be responsible to police the listings of ALL the cars they sell? Should they only sell cars that meet a certain criteria? How about guys who sell just the firewall of a rare car as a whole car? It techically has all the body numbers on that single chunk of car,but should somebody step up to the plate and say that it isnt really a car anymore? How about totatlly rotted out shells that were run over with bulldozers? I guess you could fix such a car,but shouldnt somebody step in and remove and destroy the tag because it would seem obvious that such a car would cost more to fix then it's worth? Who is the expert? How much metal can you cut off a car before it is just the tags? If this guy cut off just the firewall of the car from the dashpad area to under the brake booster and from the middle of the car and left,would having 2 square feet of original car left with the tag mean it is still a real car? What defines a real car in this hobby?

Gotta list the right VIN though.... :)
124379N564003

Anyone note the seller?

Took a look at the VIN plate, it is 124379N564003

These should be reported to the local police of the state they're for sale in with copies and links in e-mail or phone call. It IS ILLEGAL to remove a VIN from a vehicle.
If these sellers just get their add pulled Vs. the State Troopers knocking on their door they'll keep doing it.

Thank You.


Think about it..... your car gets stolen.....theif sells to someone for half what its worth and the guy "thinks" he got a deal. Whoops no title....no problem. Buy one off ebay, install it, and it's all OK :confused: :noway:
You're out a car (hope you had insurance and enough of it) Now the Ins.Co. is out $$$$ and rates go up. Vicious cycle :yes:

last registered in Iowa
Actually, the zip code on the IN title was 47630, Newburgh, IN, near Evansville. It was issued back in June 83, so who knows if the title was in the seller's name....
Title # 468487P.