Hi,

I have a 1968 Camaro RS with a non-matching numbers 350ci engine, is there any way of determining what size engine the car came with from the factory? :confused:

Cheers,
Matthew

Not unless you've got the Protecto Plate or the build sheet for the car. If the VIN starts with 123, the car was originally a 6 cylinder. If it starts with 124, it was originally a V8 car. There are clues to look for to help narrow it down. Where does the heater core come out at? Through the firewall, or through the heater core cover? How many fuel lines/size back to the tank are there? Does it have a 3x5" plate welded on the rear, drivers side frame rail? Where does the speedometer cable come through the firewall at?

Number of fuel lines and exhaust hanger plate doesn't apply to 68's. I go along with the rest tho. :)

Mathew, have a look at the chart in the following link for some of the clues.

http://camaros.org/diffs68.shtml

Not unless you've got the Protecto Plate or the build sheet for the car. If the VIN starts with 123, the car was originally a 6 cylinder. If it starts with 124, it was originally a V8 car. There are clues to look for to help narrow it down. Where does the heater core come out at? Through the firewall, or through the heater core cover? How many fuel lines/size back to the tank are there? Does it have a 3x5" plate welded on the rear, drivers side frame rail? Where does the speedometer cable come through the firewall at?

No Protect-O-Plate or build sheet. The VIN starts with 124, so I presume that is a factory V8?

Here is a photo of the engine (please excuse the mess!), does that help at all?

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t223/felixthadog/Camaro/Camaro_008.jpg

Matthew

Well, we can rule out a 302 as being the original engine. I don't know the 68s as wells as the 69s (as Gar pointed out). Looks like it is a drum brake car and has a SB radiator shroud, so I'd say it origianlly had a 327 in it. I'm not sure about the 68s having to have disc brakes with the SS option. If they didn't, it could've had a 350 in it, too. Again, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

As Brian said, any 327-210hp(2-bbl)-very common, 327-275hp (4-bbl)-common, or 350-300hp was installed.

However, the alternator shown (Long Water Pump) is on the wrong side, should be on drvr side (Short water Pump) as A/C compressor would be on pass side. Hence the reason no A/C comp installed. You have the A/C bracketry & comp?

As Brian said, any 327-210hp(2-bbl)-very common, 327-275hp (4-bbl)-common, or 350-300hp was installed.

However, the alternator shown (Long Water Pump) is on the wrong side, should be on drvr side (Short water Pump) as A/C compressor would be on pass side. Hence the reason no A/C comp installed. You have the A/C bracketry & comp?

No, I don't have the A/C brackets or compressor. Does having a Long Water Pump instead of a Short Water Pump mean anything in particular? I think it is likely that the car originally came with a 327, but I just wanted to see if I could confirm it.

Matthew

Well, we can rule out a 302 as being the original engine. I don't know the 68s as wells as the 69s (as Gar pointed out). Looks like it is a drum brake car and has a SB radiator shroud, so I'd say it origianlly had a 327 in it. I'm not sure about the 68s having to have disc brakes with the SS option. If they didn't, it could've had a 350 in it, too. Again, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Disc brakes were optional on the SS. I don't think the SB radiator shroud can determine if the original engine was 327 or 350, can it?

Matthew

Matthew, what transmission is in the car (and is it original)? Also, is it a 10 bolt or 12 bolt axle (and is it original)? More than likely the car started life as a LF7 (327/210), but it may have been an L30 (327/275). Does it have SS emblems on the front fender or does it have Rally Sport emblems? Same for the gas cap. Does it say SS or RS?

Ed

Matthew, what transmission is in the car (and is it original)? Also, is it a 10 bolt or 12 bolt axle (and is it original)? More than likely the car started life as a LF7 (327/210), but it may have been an L30 (327/275). Does it have SS emblems on the front fender or does it have Rally Sport emblems? Same for the gas cap. Does it say SS or RS?

Ed

It is an Auto transmission, I'm not sure what type though or if it is original. I think it is a 12-bolt but I would have to check. There are no emblems on the front fenders, just the SS badges on the side. The badge on the grille is SS350 and the Gas Cap is SS, but I know these can be aftermarket and doesn't guarantee the car is an SS.

Matthew

Get the numbers off the TRANSMISSION (http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#trans) and the AXLE (http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#axle) and we can go from there.

By the way, what's the VIN?

Ed

I don't think the SB radiator shroud can determine if the original engine was 327 or 350, can it?



No, they would have been the same.

By the way, what's the VIN?

Ed

The VIN is 124378L319348

Matthew

Matthew, the car was on ebay back in July of 07 and was described in the auction as a Rally Sport. (The pictures shown in the auction confirm that, since it had no SS emblems and only the RS gas cap.) Although it did have a 12 bolt at that time, since the car was an automatic transmission, it would have come with a 10 bolt, so it's not original to the car. However, check the numbers anyway. The transmission at that time was a Turbo 350, so again, it's not original to the car (should be a powerglide). So going by this, it's either an LF7 (327/210) or an L30 (327/275), no way to tell.

Can you send me a picture of the trim tag? I'd like to add it to the database.

Ed

Matthew, the car was on ebay back in July of 07 and was described in the auction as a Rally Sport. (The pictures shown in the auction confirm that, since it had no SS emblems and only the RS gas cap.) Although it did have a 12 bolt at that time, since the car was an automatic transmission, it would have come with a 10 bolt, so it's not original to the car. However, check the numbers anyway. The transmission at that time was a Turbo 350, so again, it's not original to the car (should be a powerglide). So going by this, it's either an LF7 (327/210) or an L30 (327/275), no way to tell.

Can you send me a picture of the trim tag? I'd like to add it to the database.

Ed

Hi Ed,

Thanks for the information, I presume the car was on US eBay? The car was imported to Australia in Sept '07 by the previous owner, so based on your info the previous owner put on the SS emblems and SS Gas Cap after it arrived here. I figured it was not a true SS but I just wanted to find out the history of the car. Do you know the User ID of the eBay seller in the US? It would be great to contact him and enquire about the car.

What database? :confused:

Matthew

The auction was in the US, and the seller was iicaption (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=iicaption&ftab=AllFeedback). Unfortunately, he's no longer registered so I'm not sure you'll be able to contact him.

The database is the CRG database we have.

Ed

The auction was in the US, and the seller was http://rover.ebay.com/ar/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?mpt=1847735773&adtype=1&size=1x1&type=3&campid=5336121784&toolid=10001 iicaption (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5336121784&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Ffeedback.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISA PI.dll%3FViewFeedback2%26userid%3Diicaption%26ftab %3DAllFeedback). Unfortunately, he's no longer registered so I'm not sure you'll be able to contact him.

The database is the CRG database we have.

Ed

If he's no longer registered on eBay, I won't be able to contact him :(

Did you save the listing and/or pictures, or do you have a good memory? :confused:

Matthew

Yes, I have the listing on my computer, along with the pictures of the car as it was then.

Ed

Yes, I have the listing on my computer, along with the pictures of the car as it was then.

Ed

Is there any chance of you emailing them to me?

Matthew

On its way...

Ed

On its way...

Ed

Hi Ed,

Thanks very much for the email :D

From the pics, it seems that the SS badges were already on the car when it was sold. I will probably replace them in the future with RS badges since the car is not an SS.

Matthew