local classic vette dealer (bondo-r-us?) has a 69 dick harrell car. 427 in a bright green (too light to be a rally and looks metalic). he's asking $60k. what's the avtual value? it looks to be in fair, but not #1 condition.
more.. i was at yenko.com and this may be the car on their website: http://www.yenko.net/grnhar.jpg

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[This message has been edited by mike brown (edited 07-29-2000).]

hi mike i haven,t heard of a dick harrell camaro,what is it??? i mean as far as options and that kind of stuff.they must be pretty rare. thanks

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think it's really just a copo (427 powered car) that was sold by Dick Harrell's Performance Center in Kansas City, MO.
not sure if he tuned them a little more than the average copo,
go here to find out more: http://www.yenko.net/harrell.html
and it says the color of the one i saw was Jade Metallic Green Camaro.

I know this car. I was interested in purchasing it around the first of the year. It appears to be a low mileage matching number COPO, BUT it has no Harrell docs. The story was it was purchased new in Kansas city and then taken to Dick Harrells shop for a super tune, emblems, etc. All of the owners are around and can verify it was tuned new from Harrell's shop, but w/out docs. IMO you would need to value it as a COPO camaro. BTW when I looked at it was $52,000 which is not a bad price for a matching number restored #2 27,000 mile COPO. I didn't buy it because I found another COPO at a better price. The car is Rally Green w/white interior turbo 400 on the column.

[This message has been edited by 70 RS/Z-28 (edited 07-29-2000).]

If you can get the number and codes from the engine, trans, and rear you can at least find out if it is a real COPO car. Also the vin number can rule out a fake COPO. It should be a Norwood or LA car and cannot be too early. Harrell did some COPO cars and some engine transplant cars. He also did some ZL1's with Fred Gibb.

Best I could tell, it was a matching number car and a real COPO. There have been a total of 4 owners and all are available to speak with and the original owner can verify that it went to Harrell's shop when new. The mod's at Dick Harrell's shop were minor and consisted of a supertune, installation of Jardine Headers and Sun gauges, along with the Harrell emblems. My opionion, is the history of the car is real, but there is no paperwork to back up the Harrell mods, so you can make the call as to what that does to value versus a typical COPO.

We are currently restoring two 1969 Dick Harrell built Camaro's. Both are very different models. One is an early [O1B] conversion car. It is a LeMans Blue SS 396. It was delievered to Harrell for conversion for Ed Black Chevrolet in New Mexico. It was a 396/375 horse M21 car. It was ordered with no spoilers, radio, console, etc the basic stripper. Harrell removed the original drivtrain and used a CE short block 512 427 using the 375 motor for the rest of the conversion. The carb was changes along with the intake. Doug Thorley headers were used in place of the original smog/manifolds. The cam was changed and the entire engine was blueprinted to Harrell's specs. The motor was painted with Glyptol on the inside. The conversion also included special Harrell rear spring clips,dash top mounted Sun tach,67 427 corvette style fiberglass hood, Edelbrock valve covers, extra cost Kelsey Stripper mag wheels, special exhaust and Harrell badging.
The second car is an O6A Fathom green COPO 427 Camaro automatic. This cars was converted by Harrell with most of the above equippment and used Halibrand mags and a very special American racing pedistal mounted aliminium air spoiler on the trunk.
Both of these cars are very rare and are documented examples. We only know of two other Harrell 69 Camaros, The mentioned Rallye Green one and a Daytona Yellow one. I feel that these are among the most special Camaros that were ever designed. Does anyone else know of any others? I would love to hear about them.
BKH

the one here, Horace Slay is the name of the dealer) is more of a lighter shade than the ralley green. as the yenko site stated it's Jade Metallic Green, but i'm sure it's the same car. has a white interior with a column shift auto. i would love to see pics of these other 2 being worked on if you have any.

The Slay's car is coded 79 79 PNT (Rallye Green)and is an 06A X-44 Norwood car at least according to the trim tag on the car.
The "Jade Green Metallic" is not a '69 Camaro color and was misprinted in a 1990 issue of Muscle Cars of the '60's / '70's when the car was featured.

[This message has been edited by 70 RS/Z-28 (edited 07-31-2000).]

There are some pics and info on Dick Harrell at his son-in-law and daught's web site. He was a big name drag racer in the 60's up to Sep.1971 when he was killed while racing his Funny car.
http://www.flyingdutchmanmotorsports.com/

Granted...it is kind of a bum picture...but it does look too light to be Rallye green. A possible repaint to a Jade Met. Green?


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i've looked at it up close at least 10 times. believe me, it's not ralley green. just too light and too metalic. the jade makes sense. still looks very good this color, but the paint job is showing it's age.

Brian,
I've heard of another of Harrel's cars floating around, but I don't recall much about it and don't have any data on it.

Bill Glowacki or McNeish might know more.

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www.camaros.org (http://www.camaros.org)

I have seen a documented Harrell LS/6 Monte Carlo and a few Harrell/Gibb 427 Nova's. These cars are very rare and are never seen that much. I have never seen the Rallye green car in person , but have a number of articles about the car. I have seen two articles about the Daytona Yellow car in Texas but again have not seen it. This may be the car that was advertised on the Yenko web site at 130K. The two cars that we are doing are about in the middle stages with the paint and body work being started. The drivline on one car is done and the other one is finishing up. I would be glad to post some pictures as the cars start to look like cars again. Harrell and Yenko teamed up to produce the first 427 Camaro's in 67. He also helped design cars for Nickey. The Harrell cars have a great history and we are happy that we are getting to restore two of his creations. We hope that people get to see what Harrell was all about by showing these cars together when they are done. They are without a doubt among the coolest cars we have ever had the pleasure of working on.

I am in charge of the site mentioned above with the picture of the Harrell Camaro ( http://www.yenko.net )...I will see if I can get a better scan of the car.

I messed with the picture with my program and its far from getting it to look good. So heres what I got, does this green look any clearer??

http://www.geocities.com/bellco52/grnhar2.JPG

Rob

Ah! Rallye Green!

ok, i went by the lot today. it looked more rallye green today than any other day i had seen it due to the overcast and rain (it figures). you tell me what you think. i've seen it in the bright sunshine and the color looks much lighter with sort of a gold metalic sheen than the pics show. by the way, check out their sign. nicest used car sign around. vette's been up there since i can remember and i've lived here since 1966. http://pages.prodigy.net/mtbmtb/dhcam.jpg



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Mike, great pictures. Having second thoughts about not buying it in January.

You guy's mention there's no documentation on this car being Harrel tuned. But if it has the badging along with the original owners statement of fact, wouldn't that be good enough? What would the original owner gain by falsifying that info? I don't know. If the car had everything visible, being badges, headers, tach and the other things mentioned by bkhpah, which in my opinion should be hard to duplicate, WITH original owners statement of fact, I wouldn't worry about it not being a Harrel car. That's just me. I know docs are nice, but I doubt every specially tuned car still has them . http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif
Hey mike, I wonder what the paint looks like on the top of that vette? Does it still have running gear? Interior? http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif

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Great pics mike! The car looks very straight and the I like the color.It does look a little light to be ralley green but that could be the lighting,my car looks lighter yellow in some of my pictures.
As far as the Docs go, they would be a big deal to me and to most guys looking to spend that much money. The fact it's a COPO car makes it big money,but a actual D.H. car makes it a special COPO and to the right guy much more valuable. I never thought I'd see an actual COPO on a car lot,I'm sure it comes inside after hours. I wonder how many people offer to buy the sign each day?(very unique and unuasual at todays 63-67 Vette prices)

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For a car of this value the docs are of vital importance to me and probably most people who would seriously consider buying the car. I'm personally confident it is legit, but god forbid if you paid the $$'s and one day needed to sell, w/out a Harrell invoice, the car would likely be valued as a normal COPO. A notarized affadavit from previous owners is nice, but the real Harrell paperwork really is needed. Unless you are Bill Gates or a dot com type, everyone generally wants to at least know they can break even on their musclecar "investment" if they had to sell. Also, the car no longer has the Jardine Headers, just normal BB exhaust manifolds. The only Harrell evidence is the emblems and the sun gauges. As mentioned before, I was VERY serious about the car, but found another COPO deal I could not pass up.

Mike, Thanks for the pictures, That was a great post. The two cars that we are working on both have a Sun tach, but are mounted on the dash top not the column. Also there are no pin stripes on either car. The fact that this COPO is auto on the column is just like the O6A car that we ar doing. Did you know the build date of the Rallye Green car? The Fathom car has the Harrell crests in the same location. What are the colors of the crests? There are three different styles. Red,white and blue. Red, white,blue and black. or Red, white, blue, and chrome. I am not sure from the pictures. The early 427 conversion car {O1B} has special "Built by Dick Harrell" plates rivited to the dash, header panel, and deck lid. The two cars we have also have the locking hood pins. We have only found four 1969 Harrell built Camaro's to this point, Two COPO and two conversion cars. All four are very different. I feel that the hand built cars may be worth more than the COPO modified cars. They tend to have more special parts than the COPO cars. Either way these are among the rarest cars we have worked on and we have done a lot of 427 cars. Harrell helped design the first 427 '67 Camaro's for Don Yenko/and Nickey Chevrolet. This is another great chapter in Camaro history.
BKH

70/RS-Z28..... Tell us about the COPO you could not pass up. :)

Brian, scroll up a couple of posts and you'll see the Mississippi Harrell COPO is an 06A, X-44 Norwood car. It had a sun tach 10,000 rpm and hood locks too.

Clill, my COPO is an X-11 car w/endura bumper, m-22, console, no gauges, manual steering (yuk) white w/standard black interior. It's a pretty original low mileage 2 owner car. MN block, UY curved neck radiator, BE rear, etc. 100% rust free, but an older laquer paint job. It was about 1/3 of the asking price of the Harrell car. I plan to detail and freshen it up a bit, enjoy it and then perhaps trade up to a Yenko or ZL-1 in the future.

Mike:

Nice pics! It just goes to show you how big a part light plays in just how the paint looks.

I looked for the original picture of the Harrell car in question, but I couldn't find it! Anyone have any idea what book/magazine I might gotten the picture out of? I looked ALL DAY yesterday and couldn't find it anywhere!

70 RS/Z-28:

I am ANXIOUS to see that Chevelle of yours at the Supercar Reunion! Maybe next year you can bring the COPO!?




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The car has had 2 magazine features. One was a nice color spread in July/Aug. 1991 issue "Musclecars of the '60's '70's". The other is the October 1991 issue of "Guide to Muscle Cars". Perhaps the Slay's will bring the car to the Supercar Reunion??

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bkhpah,
i think the the colors of the crests are Red,white and blue, but not sure, may be crome too, but no black.
stevo camaro,
the condition of the top side of the vette is "not too good". whole thing is getting in pretty bad shape, but remember it's been on top that sign for about 35 years. no motor or interior.
and i still say it's not exactly ralley green, but what the hell. glad everyone enjoyed the post, didn't think it would ever get this much reaction. maybe $60k's not as high a price as i thought.

Mike,
Did you happen to get the VIN for it?

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www.camaros.org (http://www.camaros.org)

Kurt, I've got this info along w/complete trim tag. Let me dig it out and I'll post it. I do not have the engine stampings though.