Ok I am the new Guy that bought a camaro and I don't have a clue as to what I have.
I was told it was a 1969 SS/RS that was converted to a Z-28 by the former, former owner this is what I have.

Vin # 124379N588714
Engine stamping V1410TDS C8F441305 or 6 not sure 5 or 6 for last digit
cowl plate

ST 69 12437 NOR 245602BDY
711 72 B PNT
01C X11


Carb 3959164-GE or DE hard to read
LIST 4346

The car has a center console W/ wood grain w/ 4 gauges, on the dash it has the speedo on the left, tach on the right and clock in the middle, high back bucket seats, cowl induction hood w/ 302 emblem, cowl induction air cleaner, Z-28 alum. intake, Z-28 Distributor, Disc breaks on front, rally wheels 7x15 front 8x15 rear, sway bars both front a rear, Z-28 emblems on both fenders and rear, front and rear spoiler, hugger orange w/ center stripes, no AC, no PS, but has PB, it has hide-a-way head lights that work! 4 speed trans, 12 bolt posi rear.

I really want to figure out what I have really got... If other info is needed just let me know I will try to answer them.
Thanks!
John

I didn't find a code match for 'TDS'. The date of V1410 isn't correct either.Double check the engine stampings.
What you have is a RS-Z/28 clone for sure.
The trim tag decodes as:
711 - standard black bucket interior.
72 B - Hugger Orange paint with black vinyl top.
01C - body built in January 1969, 3rd week.
X11 - non Z/28, non big block.

The RS equipment could be original. Does it have the reverse lights below the bumper?

Check the stampings on the 4 speed on the passenger side.
Check the stamping on the 12 bolt on the passenger side tube facing the front of the car. Also, the casting date on the pumpkin.

The car could have originally been an SS/RS 350.

By the way, WELCOME.

Welcome to Team Camaro John!

X11 is definitely not Z28. It probably WAS an SS/RS. http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#XnnCodes

I can't find that TDS engine suffix anywhere. SOmeone here will know. The C8F441305 is a partial VIN from the car that the engine came out of.
Here's the engine codes for 1969 Camaros: http://www.yearone.com/updatedsinglepages/Id_info/gm_engine_id/gmidimages/camaro69.jpg

Ok, I will check the numbers again I am pretty sure I copied them right, it looks like someone scratched all of the paint off clean so it was really easy to read.
Thanks for the info. Is this still a pretty good car even though someone converted it? Should I look to convert it back to an RS or SS which ever it may be and sell the Z-28 parts?
Thanks!
John

I'd be willing to bet it's an SS/RS. I guess it's up to you but I'd definitely put it back to the way the factory intended it to be - an SS/RS. If you want to restore it, there's a bunch of research you need to do. Getting rid of the Z28 stuff is easy.

The build sheet from Norwood (usually on top of the gas tank) is probably long gone but you should make an attempt to find it. People have found them in different spots on or in the car. It'll tell you EXACTLY how the car was built..... options, engine, trim, etc. It's gonna be very difficult, if not impossible, to determine what engine and transmission it came with unless you find that sheet or speak with the original owner. I would try to contact the original owner or as many past owners as you can find. See if any of them have the original POP, build sheet, window sticker, etc.
As DrDave said, look for the stamping on the front edge of the passenger side axle tube and the transmission codes\stampings. Date codes are most important as they'll help you determine whether they're correct for a 3rd week of January 1969 Camaro. They may help determine whether they're original to the car also. A 12-bolt rear could have come out of anything, as could have the tranny. Even though that trans and that rearend are correct, they may have come from another car altogether.

If you haven't already, spend a couple hours reading The Camaro Research Groups web site..... www.camaros.org (http://www.camaros.org) That's where you'll get definitive answers to most of you questions regarding what should\was part of the car the day it rolled off the assembly line.

Good luck!

V1410TDS
V - FLint Engine
14 - ?? 14th month??
1- Day of the month
TDS - Non existant code, must be a typo?

C8F441305
C - Chevrolet Truck
8 - Model year is 19?8, mabye 78, 88?
F - Flint Truck Assembly
441305 - Prodiction sequence number, last 6 digits of trucks VIN

TDS= 1980 350, 170hp, 4B, MT, truck.

Thanks everybody...
Great, now I guess I have a camaro pick-up truck... I guess on the bright side, trucks usally means 4 bolt mains!
LOL
John

Well the VIN does not point to a 1980 engine. And no the VIN is not wrong. It points to an engine used in a model year ending in an 8. If it is a 1980, then you have the VIN numbers incorrect or the TDS was used in more years than are recorded.

elcamino- The book that I have only goes to 1985. It could be a 1988 engine, but it seems odd that they would revive an old engine code. Of course, this book could be wrong, or incomplete.

Hi John,
Great Car. For the record, I would revert it back to the rs/ss body trim.
Could this have been a LM1 optioned car?
I have what I thought was a 69ss, same options (12bolt, 350, 4 speed). Turns out, as I understand it, that until late january 69 there was a option of "LM1" engine code that some have described to me as "sleeper" ss'.
There should be a valve under the drivers door. Also, is there a return on the fuel line?
-Rich
69 Camaro "LM1" optioned Hugger Orange
69 Camaro 427 "tribute" car.