A friend of mine is thinking of buying an old 69 Camaro that was a drag car. He wants to know if SS cars had chrome trim around the top of the doors at the roof line,wheel openings, and did all SS's have a tach? It is an automatic.

No, and No. Chrome trim around the wheelwells, and roofline is part of Z21 option. Tach's were part of U17. Neither were included in the SS's package.

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Mark Canning
1969 Indy Pace Car
350/300HP RPO Z11

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mark C:
No, and No. Chrome trim around the wheelwells, and roofline is part of Z21 option. Tach's were part of U17. Neither were included in the SS's package.

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thanks for ansering the trim question. He also would like to know if the consule had gauges, does that mean it had a tach as part of the package? & what is the "right" tach for a big b 375hp? Thanks, were both new to 1st gen Camaros

You could order the tach without the guages, this placed the fuel guage in the center of the driver's side dash where to optional clock would go. If you ordered the guages, you got a tach. The 396/375 hp tach had a 6,000 rpm redline with a 7,000 max early in production and 8,000 later.

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'69 SS 396/375hp L78 M21 3.73 Fathom green/medium green interior

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1331216&a=9901695&p=33013081

Were all 69 BB cars painted black in the tail light area? pt. code72 painted black in the back? Thanks, i'm new to this.

Yes, all BB got a black tailpan except black cars.
http://www.camaros.org/exterior.shtml#BlackoutPaint

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Kurt S.
CRG www.camaros.org (http://www.camaros.org)

My 69 L-78, which is Matching #'s, early production X-22, has a fuel feed and vapor return line, and a tach which has 5500 redline, 7k max.,

something's curious here. The L-78's all had Holley's which had no vapor return lines.

all of the date/build codes/stamps are correct, at the current time i am not using a stock fuel pump, so the vapor return is idle. any suggestions? I know the smaller hp BB's used the fuel pump with the vapor return

tcss396,
Sounds like you need to post some #'s so we can get to the bottom of things. I've never seen an L78 with 2 fuel lines.

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Kurt S.
CRG www.camaros.org (http://www.camaros.org)

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According to your numbers, you have a numbers match L78 engine. JH is the code for 4 speed, however, so something's wrong. Maybe they converted to auto for the drags. Look to see if there is evidence of a hole in the hump. Also, check the fuel line clips to see if they are the dual line type. If somewhere along the line, it was converted to Rochester, they probably jury-rigged the lines. Of course, it's possible that the plant just "screwed up" and put the wrong fuel lines on the car. Is the sending unit the2 line type?
I still say something's curious here.

I have checked the fuel clips , and they seem to be all factory bolted in, and the fuel lines all have that spiral -winding on them, i haven't seen any holes in the trans hump, except for the shifter, and that still only lets you take the key out when in reverse I haven't dropped the tank yet to see what's up there. ?????????

Where is the partial VIN stamped on the engine?

On the pad behind the alternator next to the Engine code, or down by the oil Filter?



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Mark Canning
1969 Indy Pace Car
350/300HP RPO Z11
My 69 Pace Car (http://www.townisp.com/~markcanning/camaro/7498pc4.jpg)

the partial VIN is on the pad behind the alternator, i haven't looked down by the oil filter.

I'm somewhat familiar with this car.
Has a tailpipe doubler plate.
Do you have the trans and axle #'s?
Can you send a closeup pic of the engine pad?

Are both lines hooked up to the sending unit? Should be able to see without dropping the tank.

Thanks!



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Kurt S.
CRG www.camaros.org (http://www.camaros.org)

Please tell me more... Yes it has a plate on the rear Driver's side, I believe the axle is out of a 67 BB, i can see where the arm was welded to the pass side tube, as far as the tranny #'s, i can't see any of significance on the passenger side. i do not know about the 2-lines hooked up to the tank, i'll check for sure. I will try to get as good of a picture i can of the engine pad, should i take the alternator off? ALso is there anything i should look for in particular on the pad? Thanks a bunch.

I'd check the axle code anyway. It will tell you what it was and it's cheap. It is located on the passenger side axle tube. Look under 'Decoding' on the CRG website for a great sketch of the location.

The trans code is on the passenger side, stamped on the rear edge of the maincase.

Yes, I'd pull the alternator for better access.
Look at the machine marks on the pad. What direction do they go in?


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Kurt S.
CRG www.camaros.org (http://www.camaros.org)

will do with the alternator, looking down from the passenger side fender standpoint, the machine marks run horizontally

[This message has been edited by tcss396 (edited 09-01-2001).]

has 2 lines on sending unit

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69 Camaro SS/RS 396 L-78
69 Chevelle SS 396

You said at first that it was a numbers matching L-78, but it has a 67 rear in it and you dont know the #'s on the transmission? What #'s match? What makes you think that that is the original motor? Sounds like a good candidate for a restamp or somebody swtched vin tags. I think that what you have there is a 325 or 350 BB car; since you have the double lines and even the sening unit is set up for the two lines. Also you should have a 7000 RPM tach with a 6000 RPM redline (for L-78). The low HP BB cars came with the 7000 /5,500 RPM redline tachs.The engine in your car was assembled the 4th of Dec. and the car was built the the 2nd week of dec. 1968; sounds a little close. I have a documented L-78 and the motor was assembled Aug. 20th 68 and the car was built the 2nd week of Sept. 1968 What casting # is your Block 440 or 272? Your partial vin should be located on the front engine block pad. What are the casting # and date codes of the heads? Do you have a 837 or 834 Alternator? What distributor do you have 498 or 499? Do you have a protecto plate?

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iknow for sure the car hasn't been retagged, the vin# matches the imprinted VIN on the firewall, the VIN is stamped on the front block pad of the engine, the broach marks apppear to be paralell with centerline of engine, the car was in "driven" and fixed as needed condition, until i took it apart to restore the body and interior, i adjusted the lifters when i first got the car and haven't taken the covers off since, we checked the numbers with a reference book , and they were correct as i recall. i have an hei distributor, and a new alternator is in it, i do not have any broadcast, build sheets or protecto-plate. as far as the rear end and tranny goes, i gave the axle a glance while looking at the fuel lines, and didn't go into any depth scraping it to see the numbers. i haven't looked at the tranny the block is stamped with 272 at the end of the casting #'s with a T right near it. I hope this helps. Thanks Tim

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What is the date code on the engine block? 272 would be the correct block for the car. Something is not right here, but I guess it could be an assembly plant mistake.

i will get casting date on the motor and post. Can't wait to get to the bottom of this ........

Block is 3955272 , date code is K18.
Has a 68 trans.
I don't have info on the rear.

Things were changed along the line with this car, may have been several years ago. Hard to tell without tracking down prior owners.

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Kurt S.
CRG www.camaros.org (http://www.camaros.org)

Kurt, this car is driving me crazy!! What's up? do you know who had this car prior to myself? Is it right? I did run a title search and traced back to a rhode island owner I spoke with him a couple of years ago.. he bought it from someone in CT. I found a ticket stub from a Southington Connecticut drive-in under the seat, that's as far back as I could get..

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Maybe KURT S has it on the CRG registry. I'm confused so many Kurts and so many numbers and years. You may have a Heinz 57.

if it's on the registry, what's that mean?
Heinz 57?

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Kurt,
I used to post under just 'Kurt' years ago on another bulletin board, until a different Kurt showed up. Now Kurt S is my email and my ID. http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif

As I had indicated before, I am familiar with the car, via conversations with the prior owner who lived in Boston. It is in the CRG database that I maintain. The only thing I knew that you probably didn't was the casting info.


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Kurt S.
CRG www.camaros.org (http://www.camaros.org)