I am currently looking at a Hugger orange RS
Z/28 on E-bay. I have been out of the Camaro circuit for 25 years (I owned a 68Z). The car is being sold as a RS Z/28 which I know is rare.
However as a RS it's missing the cowl induction hood, and the center console with the tic tock clock and floor gauges. In addition on the cowl tag there is no X77 or X33 as I understand denotes a true Z/28. Is the x missing because of the RS option? Any information would be appreciated.
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THEYAV

Steve,
Welcome to the site!!
Just a few points to consider.
The RS option has nothing to do with a cowl induction hood or a center console.
'69's didn't have a tic-tock-tac. I think that was one year only, '68 or '67.
The X77 and the X33 are codes for the Z28 for cars built in Norwood, not the Van Nuys built cars. The early '69 Norwood Z28's didn't have the X codes.
You will get more replies with more info. Unfortunatley I'm limited on time right now. You can also do a search which is located at the top of this page and find much info.
Original paperwork/protecto-plate will verify originality.
Good luck,
Doug

Steve - Early Norwood and LA built cars didn't get X codes. consoles, clocks and gauges are all optional and were not part of the RS package on any Camaro and Cowl hoods didn't come on a lot of '69 Z/28s... Welcome to TC by the way.

Thanks Doug,
My concern, I was under the inpression all Z/28 in 69 came with a tac and cowl induction hood.
I do remember stripes were an option, in 67/68/69 the vin # is 124379N533996. Was there 6 RPO option for 69 Z. In addition how rare is a 69 RS Z/28. Thanks for your time.

Thanks DjD hope to be a Z/28 owner again. 30K is a lot of $$$ I want to make sure I am not getting a clone. The car can be viewed on E-bay.
I have been into Corvette's the last 20plus years, my vert will be paid off soon wanted a vintage muscle car. By the way your forum is much more friendly
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THEYAV

The VIN appears to be close to when the X-coded tags were phased in, but it may have the early, non-coded tag. Tachs became mandatory later ( after January) so says some literature, but still did not require console and gauges. ZL-2 super scoop was never a mandatory option on the Z-28.

Might want to get someone local from this site or a local Camaro Club to go with you to inspect the car.

Good Luck-

Rob

Steve Yau,

Is this the car you are looking at on eBay?,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6161&item=4513110652&rd=1

Originally posted by steve yav:
Thanks Doug,
My concern, I was under the inpression all Z/28 in 69 came with a tac and cowl induction hood.
In addition how rare is a 69 RS Z/28. Thanks for your time. Steve,
The info. I've gathered over the years is only about 10%-15% of the '69 Z's came with the cowl hood. I have a '69 Hot Rod magazine that has a section about the '69 Z. The car they tested and pictured had a flat hood. I would say 95% of the '69 Z's have cowl hoods now.
Let us know if Dayton's link is the car you are considering.
Doug

Gentleman,
That's the car!! My 68 Z did not have the cowl hood, I can live with that, however I really like the gauage pack with console, this car doesn't have the gauage's either. Doug looks like you have what I am loking for, how many 69 RS Z/28 are out there?
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THE YAV

Always like this description in an ad.

" Engine, trans and rear end are matching number, correctly dated components for this car with clearly visible corresponding V.I.N. on engine block and transmission"

Do you see the word "ORIGINAL" anywhere in the description. If your seriously thinking about this car have someone who knows the engine, trans and axle stamps look at it before paying for it.

Note that the cowl tag on this car is a late style tag (large style) and it's an 11A tag. This is very early for the transition from the smaller (early style) tag to the larger style tag. Not impossible to have this style of tag this early but just be wary.

http://www.contemporarymotorcar.com/auctions/2004-12/011204/lg/l21.jpg

[ 12-20-2004, 06:13 AM: Message edited by: Mark C ]

Steve,
Sorry but I don't know how many RS Z/28's were made in '69. I do know close to 20,000 Z's were produced total. Mabe somebody else will chime in with an estimate.
Beautiful looking car you are looking at. I couldn't get any of the pictures to enlarge, I'll try again later.
My '69 is has white stripes with no vinyl top.
The black on orange looks great!!
Doug

Steve from what you're saying about the time you have been away from these cars I would suggest that you pay somone to look at any car you are thinking about buying. Don't get cought up in the fever and have to have that car or any other car for that matter. Ebay is full of clone cars and people get stung every day. I'm not saying that cars not real but you need to know what your buying. Any 69RS Z thats correct is most likley going to be over 50,000. I'm good friends with Jerry MacNeish and sometimes I go with him on some of his adventures and after he looks a car that some one paid 50k for and thay find out that it just another clone it makes you sick. He can tell you a lot of horror stories. Good luck

1969 Z/28's are a dime a dozen. If you're paying 30 grand for a car, you might as well pass on this one and wait for one that has the options you want.

Originally posted by TC member:
1969 Z/28's are a dime a dozen. If you're paying 30 grand for a car, you might as well pass on this one and wait for one that has the options you want. Steve, not quite a dime a dozen (at $30K and reserve not met), but there are plenty out there to be had. I would think that an original car would have the correct valve covers and oil fill cap (not tube). Any incorrect parts that need to be replaced, like distributors and alternators are very expensive right now. Just my $.02. graemlins/waving.gif

Before you buy, buy these books from Jerry MacNeish,
http://www.z28camaro.com/publications.html and do a lot of research to get familar with what's right and not.

A lot of clones/fakes are out there and they re-stamp numbers and repro everything from Trim Tags to Protecto Plates to Window Stickers to convince you its not.

The right, real cars are out there, just takes some hunting - which can be half the fun! I spent about 18-24 months finding my Z back in '89!

Good Luck!

Hans

Gentleman,
Thanks for the inputs, I will invest $22-25 dollars to insure I get a true Z. Another option is to build a clone RS Z and drive it.
However I don't want to get shuned in the Camaro
community.
I have nothing but time on my side, my first choice is to find a original, if not maybe building a clone.
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THEYAV

Steve,
We here at TC don't shun Camaro clone owners. We all have a love for the first generation Camaro's. Original, modified, cloned, orignal muscle cars with non-original drivetrains,etc. I'm an originality/numbers/date code nut, some could care less. To each his own, it's all good.
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Steve,

You need to re-read the post by "Green Z" earlier in this thread. Whenever I need a laugh, I log onto ebay motors and bring up all the 1969 camaros for sale. The "fake" car market is alive and prospering due to non-knowledgeable buyers. I view camaros into two categories, "pretty" and, "investment grade". If you are wanting an "investment grade" camaro, over eBay, you need to contact an expert and view the car in person BEFORE you bid. Here is what I mean. Take a look at this 1968 Z28 for sale on ebay,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6161&item=4513125607&rd=1

The seller states that this is a real Z28. Whoever buys this car will think they bought a real Z28.
Also, you will never be shunned for buying any camaro. Only if you buy a mustang.

Dayton - to avoid problems like we've had in the past please let us know what is tipping you off that this auction is not for a real Z. Thanks and welcome to TC...

Hi Dennis, After being a visitor to this site for a # of years, I finally registered. In my opinion, the car I mentioned in my previous post is not a real Z28. My main tip off is, 1)no engine. Without docs and the original engine, pretty hard to prove to me this is a real Z28. No engine bay pic was included. 2)Is the correct power brake booster at least present? No dash pics provided. 3)Is the tic toc tach present? Looks like a aftermarket tach on the steering column. Where is the vin #? Why the secrecy? Could the cowl tag pic have been any more blurry? Most of the parts provided in the description proving that this is quote, "all proving this is a real Z28", are easilly available parts. According to the description, this Camaro, "has been owned by noted Texas Camaro enthusiasts and the buyer will receive names and phones numbers to verify it's authenticity". Of course, I could be wrong. This could be a real 1968 Z28. In my opinion. .

Dayton, the VIN won't tell you much of anything on a 68. The Tic-toc-tac was not required on any vehicle in 68. The big tipoff that it is a real Z28 is the tire pressure sticker on the glovebox door. The Z28 was the only Camaro to get the 15" tires in 68. Now that glovebox door could have come from another car, but most likely looking at it as it sits in the car should give you an idea if it's original to that car.

I have a question on the tag size. A earlier post about the 69 stated that the tag was the wrong size for that month. Can anyone tell me what size it should be, and when they changed the sizes. I have a 11d car and wondered what size the tag should be. Thanx

Marc C, I have a 69 Van Nuys vehicle with an 11A code. What can you tell me about the cowl tag size. Something you said above suggests that there are two different style tag sizes. Dan

Van Nuys always used the small stype tag probably because they built multiple car lines and had to make due with a standard stamping machine. Norwood because they were dedicated to Camaros (and firebirds after mid 69) and could make a change specific to these cars changed the size of the tags "around" the time the X-Codes were introduced. I think mainly because the X code would have ended up in the right rivet hole if they kept the small style tag, but they also opened up another line between the trim codes and the GM certification statement on the bottom of the tag possibly for future (70 and later?) trim tag info.

[ 12-23-2004, 04:33 AM: Message edited by: Mark C ]

Not sure on this but I have heard they were about 44,000 cars into production when the tag change came.