hey guys, thought i'd put this on here to help out my cousin. he picked up a decent but rough 69' the end of last summer, just painted the guys 49 olds. for it, (under 500$ in materials) it was just a forgotten project behind the guys barn. supposedly it was a Z, but we figured yeah, whatever, he just wanted a camaro, and the price was right. when we picked it up, it looked pretty bad, but it was complete, body and trim wise, had all the interior in it(black) but needed a new interior put in it(it was left w/ the windows down) but no motor or trans. when we got it home and checked it out,it had some rust but really not bad at all, just around the wheel openings,and trunk, but the floors were good. when we checked the trim tags, we found out it was a yellow houndstooth car, no console, orig. 4 speed, daytona yellow w/ a black top, stll had correct 3:73 posi. 12 bolt, w/ the driveline attached, w/ an m22 yoke still attached to it. it also has disks on front, and what appeared to be orig. frt and rear spoilers, rear had emblem moved above spoiler, and had frame to spoiler reinforcing brkts. attached to the frt. spoiler(although it was a little hammered) it also had a cowl hood on it, w/the additional wiring harness and relay on the firewall. he has since found some key Z/28 cast numbers on some items, brake booster, forged pitman arm (i think it was the pitman arm) this car hasnt been driven in probably 10-15 yrs, and were starting to figure it probably is a z. of course no motor/tranny/or other documentation makes it tough. he isnt going to sell the car, but doesnt want to hack it up at all in case it is a z. were both dragracers so it will get raced,eventually. so any input or advice from you guys will be appreciated, maybe w/ suggest. on further proving its heritage. i can get vin # from him if anyone wants them, i do remember its an april build date, van nuys car, but thats about it. sorry so long winded, and thanks in advance

Cool color combination, you won't find many of that color combination anywhere.

Assume it has a small block heater core in the car to rule out big block SS's.

Check the glove box for a tire sticker. Looking for 15" wheels.

Has front disc, has 12 bolt 3.73 rear axle, has (had) a 4 speed all looking good. Is the date code on the axle in line with the rest of the car. Keep in mind that LA shut down on April 19th due to a strike and if this car was started late enough in April it might not have been completed until the first week of June 69.

Does it have one or two fuel lines? One fuel line required for Z28 or an L34/L78 big block. 2 fuel lines needed for a an L48 or L35 big block.

Does it have 4 leaf rear spings?

Does it have a 3" by 5" plate welded to the outer face of thedrivers side rear frame rail just outboard of the shock? Yes means original dual exhaust, no means single exhaust, not a Z or SS.

Where does the speedometer cable come thru the firewall. Muncies (only used in Z28's or big block SS's) penetrate the firewall on the engine side of the steering column, all others come thru the fender side of the steering column.


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Mark Canning
1969 Indy Pace Car
350/300HP RPO Z11
My 69 L48 - 350/300HP Engine (http://www.townisp.com/~markcanning/camaro/transparent%20air%20cleaner3.jpg)

Mark got it right (except the tire sticker is on the driver's door in 69).
Post the VIN and trim tag #'s and the rear axle code and that will help.
Also, if you drop the gas tank, the broadcast sheet may be there. Be careful, it will be old and delicate and probably stuck to the tank.

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Kurt S.
CRG www.camaros.org (http://www.camaros.org)

mark and kurt, thanks for taking the time to read my post, to ans. some of the questions, it does have a small block heater core design, (1) 3/8 fuel line, has the dual exhaust plate on frame, 4 leaf springs, and although i cant remember the code, the rear end did jibe w/ the rest of the vin's. also checked for the build sheet, but no luck. ill call him tommorw(3/8), and ask him about the speedo cable penetration , and see if he can find the tire sticker ( i hadn't thought about that). and ill also get the vin numbers and post them for you. also, kurt, i notice you keep track of numbers for some of the rarer cars, i dont know if youre interestd in my 68 rs, but if you want, ill post them also.( mostly orig, not engine / trans ) thanks!

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If it's a Norwood car, check for the X33 or X77 on the trim tag. If it's a Van Nuys(CA) car, there's a pretty good chance the build sheet will still be on top of the gas tank, but you'll have to drop the tank to see it. Also check for the full size rear bumper gaurds. Sure sounds like a Z and a nice color/top/interior combination.

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Jeff H - 93 Indy 500 Pace Car(supercharged) & driven daily, Hugger Orange 69 Z28 with JL8 brakes, cross-ram & GM fiberglass hood, TI setup, heater and radio delete, being restored

Sounds like one at first glance. It has the right stuff and none of the wrong stuff. I love the rare color combo but that also makes the restoration more challenging. I would not hack it up. Great car when finished.
-Mark.

HEY Mark.Thanks for the info on the plate on the drivers frame rail.We couldn,t figure what it was for.Mine has a couple of small bolts in it too.Tail pipe hanger?? Makes sense now.It,s an SS car.X55 GENE

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69 Camaro SS 350 4 speed
86 Monte Carlo SS

hey guys, i talked to him today, and hes going to get the numbers from it this weekend,so ill keep you posted. and he did confirm its speedo penetration is on the passenger side of the steering column. since he's found more and more z specific stuff on it hes been recording numbers, and taking photos of the specific items.( any other ideas on documenting it would be appreciated ). also, jeff h, it is a van nuys car, we looked for the build sheet, but no luck (car is mostly apart right now, but coming together). and yes it does have the large bumper gaurds on it.right now hes fixing what rust there is on it(new trunk pan, wheel opening patch panels) and trying to keep it correct as possible. we started kind of assuming it was a z, so hes been careful about reparing it, thanks for all input and help!

Look forward to seeing the #'s.....
Post a couple pics if you can... http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif

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Steve - Central Ohio Camaro Club (http://www.ohiocamaros.com)
'69 Camaro RS/SS-350 - Daytona Yellow
'95 Camaro Z-28 - Sebring Silver
click here to see my webpage ---> My Camaros (http://home.columbus.rr.com/mccorry) (updated 3/7/02)

mccorry, ill definatly be getting the numbers from him soon, didnt see him today, but probably sunday. currently i am unable to post any pictures, wish i could , ive got a couple from the day we picked it up and it looks like the swamp beast! multiple colors, sat outside for quit awhile, fortunatly didnt get too rusty! ill keep you posted! p.s. steve thats a sweet car, next time he stops by the house, im gonna show him youre pic's, thats just gonna kill him!he'll probably immediatly go to the shop and work on his car some more.

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Any numbers yet?

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Steve - Central Ohio Camaro Club (http://www.ohiocamaros.com)
'69 Camaro RS/SS-350 - Daytona Yellow
'95 Camaro Z-28 - Sebring Silver
click here to see my webpage ---> My Camaros (http://home.columbus.rr.com/mccorry) (updated 3/7/02)

sorry guys, i talked to him this weekend, and he didnt get a chance to go work on it, (its at his dads shop) so im waiting on him now. i will for sure get the numbers, even if i have to go get them myself, im interested in hearing what you guys think. thanks, though.

ok guys , here are the numbers my cousin has recorded off his '69. unfortunatly the rear end is at a buddy's house being rebuilt, and he could'nt find the numbers written w/ the other stuff he's got, but we have checked them and they are correct date, eaton 3:73 posi. ok, here goes; vin# 124379L529364, trim tag, (1st line) ST 69 12437 VN319458 BDY (2nd line) TR 714 76 B PNT (3rd line) O4C J380. other related items and numbers, pitman arm-3953227, master cyl.-5468309, power brake booster-9204, rh motor/frame mnt.-3945508, Lh mnt-3945507, rear spoiler-3949798. also, it does have large bumper gaurds, dual exh. hanger plates, and the speedo penetration on pass. side of steering column, above throttle linkage, in add. to the other things i've mentioned previously. so let me know what you guys think, and or suggestions on other things to look for. thanks a ton, my cousin and i appreciate any help/info given. thanks in advance.

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The emblem on the trunk lid would indicate that the spolilers were factory installed but a better way to check would be to look at the trunk lid springs. If they are 2 different diameters, they are factory equipped and if they are both the same diameter, they are dealer added. The spoiler package was mandatory with a Z/28 starting in April. If the ZL2 hood is factory, it is a rare car. The total ZL2 production was just over 10,000 cars with 3,674 pace cars getting them leaving only 6,352 hoods left available for all the Z/28's and SS cars combined. A great find!

-Mark.

Sounds like a Z from everything you've posted. Hard to prove though.
Original radiator tag there?

Yes, I'd be interested in the #'s off of your 68 RS.
And in the 69's axle code when you get it. http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif
You can email them or post them.

Thanks!


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Kurt S.
CRG www.camaros.org (http://www.camaros.org)

kurt, thanks for the reply. as far as the numbers go (off my rs), do you want vin and cowl tag only, or any i have found so far? ill gladly get them to you. ill also get the 69's axle code when he gets it back. in addition , i've got my cousin logged on to the site now, and he currently has a post going about the color under his cowl panel. the part covered by fenders is body color, and the section under the cowl panel (grille area) is black, from seam on pass. side to seam on drivers side. maybe further proof of black z stripes? also this weekend we noticed a clip in the trans tunnel, is this for the m22 speedo cable? im sure it'll be impossible to prove 100% that its a z, but it sure is interesting. hes not planning on selling the car so it's pretty much just for his info only. thanks again.

I'd be interested in any #'s you've found.

Black cowl would be another good indicator. http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif
Not sure on the clip, but it shouldn't be Z-specific.

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Kurt S.
CRG www.camaros.org (http://www.camaros.org)

Its a pretty good bet you have an original Z..I believe the frame/motor mount brackets were 302 specific..those numbers you listed are correct.

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My 69 Z/28 Resto~http://www.z28restoration.moonfruit.com

The engine mounts were not specific to just the 302, they also were used with the 350 engine. It could also be an SS-350.

thanks for all the replys, everyone,this car does have a lot of z specific items, too bad he doesn't have the orig motor. kurt, i e-mailed you my numbers off my rs, just let me know if they get to you, i'm borderline computer illiterate http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif

If 68rs406 is illiterate it sure doesnt look good for me!!! Is there anything else that i can look for to help w/the proof? regarding the springs for the trunk lid one is in fact thicker than the other, so that is supposed to verify that it did come with the spoiler from van nuys? also another question is since the car doesnt have a console did the shifter have a black ball w/shift pattern on it or a white,chrome or ? it looks as if the car also came with a factory cowl hood ,with the wiring harness penetrating the firewall just above the fuse panel ,the gas pedal arm has a spot where the plunger/switch activated the flapper(?) and a relay mounted on the firewall, but the hood that came with the car has "cowl induction" on it rather than the 302 that i always see? the hood is also yellow but the stripes are white not black is ther any numbers that i might be able to find to let me know if thats original? thanks for all the help , this site is a ton of information me!!

All things point to a Z, nothing to prove it. http://www.camaros.net/forum/frown.gif
What's the axle code?

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Kurt S.
CRG www.camaros.org (http://www.camaros.org)

The non-console cars had a 2 piece black over chrome shift ball with white shift pattern.

You might look for the 302 emblem holes in the hood. You can check from underneath where there are two ~2" holes per side in the hood reinforcement/air box where the nuts would go on the back of the emblem. Look up inside there for the welding marks or bondo worms. Factory emblems have 2 larger mounting studs and one tiny locating dimple in the middle with no nut.

-Mark.

"The emblem on the trunk lid would indicate that the spolilers were factory installed but a better way to check would be to look at the trunk lid springs. If they are 2 different diameters, they are factory equipped and if they are both the same diameter, they are dealer added. The spoiler package was mandatory with a Z/28 starting in April."

My car has the factory installed spoiler (an Oct 69 car, with D80 on the cowl tag)
and both the trunk springs look to be the same diameter. They are different colors, though.
Of course someone could have replaced one or something, but I doubt it.

If they are 2 different colors there must be a reason. Is the lid original? Do the colors on the spring rods look to be from a subsequent repaint?

-Mark.

Lid looks to be factory- I haven't dug around a lot there, but its of the same gauge sheetmetal, has the holes for the emblem, etc. It also has the original stickers on the underside of the trunk lid.
If I remember correctly, one spring is white, the other is black or green, both have a rubber cover on them.
Spoiler has correct part number, plus has some crayon marks on it. The car has had no white or black repaints, so I am pretty confident this is a factory trunk spring setup.

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