Not to be critical as this is a nice looking car, but for the dollar it is at and the reserve not being met, there are a few things that I found that I would think should be corrected. Take a good look at this. Wrong master cylinder, no resonators in exhaust, wrong muncie main case, passenger side smog tube is wrong, non spiral shocks, wrong rad cap, wrong lift bracket, and wrong posi decal. It should not have the GM Mark of Excellence on the doors and correct me if wrong but shouldn't this also have pedal trim being that it is an X33 car? If I was paying 43K Plus for a car I would expect it to be 100% correct.

Those are my thoughts, not yours, and these are my little 2 bitties!

eBay Item 2451769151 1969 RS Z/28 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2451769151&category=6161&rd=1)

[ 01-06-2004, 10:06 PM: Message edited by: hugger_sixty_nine ]

No, it shouldn't have pedal trim.

Engine is questionable, trans is a 70+.
Whatever.........

Thanks for that Kurt. Couldn't remember if the pedal trim was a an X33 thing or part of the Deluxe Interior option.

I take it you noticed the Mar 23 Cast Date and March 24 build date on the motor. Pretty tight if you ask me but then what do I know (lol) :cool:

Boy! You guys don't miss much! Sorry to get off-track a little but could you tell me what is wrong with my car? I know my car was a flat hood, no spoiler car, and my alternator is wrong but anything else? I'm trying to put her back as accurately as possible.
thanks
Kelvin

Relating to the Ebay car, you might want the original engine in the car. Late March assembled engine in a Late May built car. Might be possible but not very likely. Guy better have a POP or GM of Canada documentation for that big a gap and that much money.

The ebay car is beautiful. It has also been discussed at the Yenko site. I agree that the engine most likely isn't original.

69 RS-Z, you asked for some critique of your beautiful RS/Z. I love it. I only found two small incorrect features. 1. Your rear stripes shouldn't extend onto the trunk lid lip. I know that you said it wasn't an original spoiler car. If the spoilers were added by the dealer, the paint would appear this way. 2. Your cowl hood seal is upside down/inside out. this is easy to correct.

Looks like the engine lift hooks are missing. Beautiful car!

69 RSZ, NICE CAR! Love the colour! Couple of small things noticed,- smog tubes are wrong ( look like off a 71/72 Z28 ) also the spark plug heat shields should have the little half moon cutouts, i think that Ground up or DNR sells the correct ones. Hope this helps.

69 RS-Z
Tech Team


posted 07-01-2004 03:18 AM
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Boy! You guys don't miss much! Sorry to get off-track a little but could you tell me what is wrong with my car? I know my car was a flat hood, no spoiler car, and my alternator is wrong but anything else? I'm trying to put her back as accurately as possible.
thanks
Kelvin Hello Kelvin,

Had the chance to look at your car a couple of times in admiration. It is very beautiful and you should be proud of owning such a nice looking car. There isn't much to critique on your car that hasn't already been kindly noted in the above posts. The battery is about all I can really say should be considered. Not sure if the correct one was an R59 / Y59 or Y77 off hand but one of those would make it look more correct. I noticed that it also has the pedal trim and wonder about this. The topic car above also discussed the option of pedal trim and when it was used on a car. I think the pedal trim is only to be used with deluxe interior cars which yours does not appear to be. Even if it isn't supposed to have the pedal trim, I would leave it as it looks great. Very Nice car Kelvin and nothing much for you to change to be 100 point contendor. I would like to post a picture or two of your car to my website if you're ok with that. I have a Visitors Ride Page (http://www.x33d80.com/visitor_rides.htm) that would look great with your RS Z/28 added to it. Let me know.

[ 01-07-2004, 08:51 AM: Message edited by: hugger_sixty_nine ]

Hey Kelvin, I had a few thoughts. Its looks like the car started to get the z-23 interior option, but is short the assist handle and plastic molding on the pass side of dash. Dont know about what looks like woodgrain below the clock (?). Also, the engine cooling fan looks incorrect. Rear stripes are also something that is not always done right ( like my typing), but looks close from the photos, the corner radius, width, and stopping point at the top near the window are things to be looked at. Take this in the spirit intended, as a positive critique, 'cause it is obviously a nice car. Mahalo!

Rob

Thanks for the feedback guys. I'll look into fixing the flaws you guys pointed out.

Hugger, I'll be honored to have pics of my car on your website.

Nice. Your car is about the twin of my Z, except mine has the dk green interior. RS, no spoilers, flat hood, (and no console). And it's staying no optioned, it just needs to assemble itself. smile.gif

It doesn't have Z23 or Z87 so it should not have the pedal trim nor should it have the woodgrain on the steering wheel.

Gloss details:
- too glossy orange engine paint.
- Radiator should be full gloss.
- Heater box should be 80% gloss, looks flatter than that in the pic.

Thanks all for the info! I really appreciate your time. Wish there was a "correct" car locally that I could compare to. You guys are the best!
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Kelvin,

You send over the transporter to get the car to the island, and make sure I get a first class ticket to Hawaii, and I'll bring a car to compare notes with. (lol)

I did post a picture of your car to the site under Visitor Rides / RS Z/28. Be sure to send me an email with a description that you would like entered. I could have done one but rather that it be your words.

Thanks tongue.gif

Hugger,
You got mail. smile.gif

Beers is in the fridge and hula girls are on the beach.....both calling you over graemlins/beers.gif

You guys are missing something important. he cant find any numbers on the oil filter boss so how do we know that this is a number matching car ?

Kelvin, great looking car!

These are pretty nit picky, but you asked... The only things not mentioned that I noticed:

- wrong alternator pulley
- missing fender/hood rubber cushions
- brass pipe thread in intake not correct
- missing "rear" sticker on zl2 flange
- wire holder missing on rear driver valve cover
- missing "Caution Fan" sticker on rad. shroud

Just kidding on that last one. Really though, it's a beautiful car!!

-Marc

Marc,
These little things help me find out what I need to do. Details makes the difference between a "nice" car and a "great" car. IMHO
thanks

Rsmith1969

You guys are missing something important. he cant find any numbers on the oil filter boss so how do we know that this is a number matching car ? We have more less determined without slamming this car that it's not a numbers matching car. For one the dates in the cast vs build are within 24 hours of each other and are not very likely to be original, secondly the transmission main case is from a 1970's car (should be a 660 main case) so obviously it isn't the matching trans, which would also lead me to guess that the motor was a transplant too as the filter boss should at least show signs of some numbers as faint as they may be.

Seller quoted as saying; "I have looked under this engine twice with a light and a magnifying glass and I cannot make out any number's at the rough cast by the oil filter. You can tell this rough cast area has never been touched in any way".

Makes me think that this was originally a dated motor from another car like an impala or corvette. Best evidence would be to see the stamping in the front deck. It should be easy to tell if it's a restamp from this, but pic's of the deck aren't likely to appear after this post smile.gif

I have seen many high dollar cars on eBay over the last couple years and most worthy collector cars will have pictures of the vin, build, trans and diff numbers shown. If it has the P-o-P Plate or a build sheet then it add's to the authenticity and core value. These days there are many resellers like this guy that describe the car all fancy but leave much to discover for the assuming buyer who may not know. I checked his feedback and although clean, does not prove that he is a knowledgeable Camaro guy, but does show him as a reseller which leads me to think...hmmmmmmm?

I've seen other motors that were cast and assembled within a day, so that doesn't bother me. And if you were going to restamp it, would you restamp it that close?

No Kurt,

I wouldn't think it was stamped that close and that was simply conversation mixed in with the trans details. My best reason for thinking it's not an original block is the missing VIN along the oil filter boss. If this is as the seller claims a low mile rust free car, then one would expect to see at least some shadows.

That is why I commented that this "might" not be an original mill. Could be a transplanted restoration motor from another Z, could be an original, could be a non original, could be a lot of things. One thing for certain, is that it's NOT a numbers matching car as the seller claims. Thats my take on it, so whats yours?

I've seen DZ 302's with the original DZ stamping and no VIN. It was definitely a transplanted engine because the date didn't match the p-o-p he had. I drove 3 hours to look at that car when he kept telling me it was matching #'s with p-o-p. If the VIN isn't stamped in the engine, then I wouldn't buy it as a "matching #'s" car. I would just call it a mystery motor.

I have a 1967 RS L30/M20 which I am the second owner, brother-in-law bought new and it only has one number on the engine. No vin# just the engine #. LA Car 146,000 original miles. I have POP and order form. All numbers match.

Yea thats what I thought you would say Kurt!

Engine is questionable, trans is a 70+.
Whatever......... Whatever.....

Ok...now you guys are freaking me out. I have an X33D80 06A Z that has the standard interior, wood grain on steering wheel and both sides of the column, grab bar, console, all the guages and the pedal trim. Is the pedal trim correct or NOT correct? As far as I can tell from the wear the trim looks like it's been on the pedals for awhile.

The eBay car is a 05C (May 3rd week) with a sequential number of 322644

My X77 is also a 05C but some numbers appart from the eBay car, mine is 328178

So we are 5534 cars appart. This show that his must be a "Monday" :mad: car and mine from Thursday or Friday given that they must have put together almost 6000 cars each week. I don't know Norwoods weekly production but if you take an average of the total production it should be around 6000 each week.

Anyone with better figures?


Jan

Don't go by body numbers, go by VIN numbers to determine how far apart cars were made. In 69 the body number corresponds to the order confirmation number of the car that was assigned when the dealers order was accepted. If the car had to wait to be built because of the option combination on it then the body number could be way out of alignment with others being made the same day. VINs are more or less sequential.

As far as pedal trim goes, pedal trim is part of the RPO Z23 special interior option as is the woodgrain on the left section of the dash, the steering wheel shroud, and the grab bar on hte passenger side. RPO Z87 added some more stuff to the interio above the deluxe door panels and seats like the wood grain above the glove box. It sounds like your car has RPO Z23 therefore it should have pedal trim.

nice car

only thing I see "missing" is the already mentioned pass assist grab rail to "complete" the "special interior" partial conversion done (pedal trim & woodgrain on drivers side of dash) and deep groove pulleys (can't tell from the pic, they don't appear to be deep groove versions)

Note to 69Z28, your partial woodgrain interior and pedal trim is correct, it was an interior upgrade package, Z23, "Special Interior"

Note to all, FWIW, LA built cars got the stripe on the deck lid below the spoiler with the spoiler equipped cars

I've got a question on RS-Z28's car.

The picture of the dash looks like the clock has wood grained trim under it. It shows up in both the picture taken from the right and left sides. I've never seen that on a car. Is it really there, or is that glare in the photo.

I looked at that area under the clock for the woodgrain. Yes, it is there. It was there when I bought the car and never really paid too much attention to it till now :confused: . I'll call the previous owner, maybe he can clear it up for me.
thanks
Kelvim

Darn...I can't even type my own name....
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-Kelvin

Thanks for the pedal trim info fellas. I'm finally getting some "GOOD" answers to some of my originality questions.

[ 01-12-2004, 06:46 PM: Message edited by: 69Z28 ]