I have a chance to buy a early 69 Z-28.It is my understanding that the x codes were not used until Dec. This particular car was built in August, short of finding the build sheet is there any way af determining if it is a real Z.I was told it has the correct date coded DZ motor with the car but no x code any help would be appreciated.

The car also has 4 leaf springs no tach or guages.the VIN is 124379n501886.Trim tag is
12437NOR111299
723 IN. 57 57 Pnt.

Get the codes off the engine. Engine casting number and the partial VIN off the engine also. Is there the orginal owner protection plan booklet with the car? Is the POP in the book?

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Jeff 67/68(2) & 69 RS's

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The 4 leaf springs, to my understanding, were Z/28 only. It should also have disc brakes on the front. Other tell-tale signs would be a 3/8 fuel line, and a tachometer with a 6,000 rpm red line. All '67-'69 Z-cars were factory 4-speed. Any of these options could have been added though. Hope this helps. http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif

The car is a 4 speed the only engine code I have until fri. is 08 22 DZ the car is disk brake equipped but has no tach.On these car is the partial vin on the passenge side pad or above the oil filter.The owner said there is no number above the oil filter but could be covered by paint.

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I believe that the vin # should be above the oil filter, but I am not 100% sure on the pre- "x" Norwood cars. If it is above the filter, it would be on the flat surface closest to the bell housing. You may have to scrape off the paint, as the engraving is rather shallow.

I really appreciate the help.The only thing that throws me about the car is no tach.I'll check the casting numbers on the block and try to come up with a partial vin which would help answer all the questions.

Early cars have the VIN derivitive on the same engine pad as the DZ. An august car with an august motor could be correct, but that's not definitive.

I just read some more info that claimed that tachometers were not standard until Jan 2 of 69.Which might answer this question.

Factory gauges or tach only were never included with Z/28 equipment. Around May 1969 Chevrolet required a tachometer as a mandatory option at additional cost, same as power front disc brakes. Many Z/28s were built without factory gauges.

Early production 1969 Camaros had the engine VIN stamp on the pad with the code. For this car it should read 19N501886.

Sounds like a nice original early Z/28. Please don't ruin it with a "cowl" hood.

maybe its already been ruined, seeing how the cowl hoods make these cars look so much nicer.

Well it is already "ruined".I couldn't handle it any more and went and looked at the car.The date code was clearly marked on the front pad the casting numbers on the block were correct as were the heads.I still can't find a partial vin on the motor anywhere.I was all over the motor even borrowed a peice of sand paper from the owner and tried to find one but no luck.The car has one original 3/8 fuel line.I'm going to start the search for a build sheet tommorrow because it is sitting in my garage now.The owner became disgusted with the sale because of everyone looking for a x code car and sold it very reasonable.I couldn't turn it down.Thanks for all of your help,anymore info would be appreciated.

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Norwood-built Camaros virtually never have Chassis or Body Broadcast ("build") sheets in them.

You should start a title search to locate previous owners.

Nice, give us some more details on the car and it's overall condition. Did you get it for a decent price even if it turns out not to be a real Z28?

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Jeff H - Hugger Orange 69 Z28, original factory JL8 brakes, cross-ram & GM fiberglass hood, TI setup, heater and radio delete, Stahl headers, Minilite wheels - being restored - 87 Toyota 4Runner SR5 Turbo

I paid a little more than what a guy could buy a nice base camaro for.The car is very solid the underside is very nice, needs just a paint job. It has some original equipment missing such as the original deep groove pulleys,air cleaner.The rest seems to be there.I did get a older title with the car along with the current title the owner said I could possibly start there.

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William and figmandz302:
I agree with both of you. The cowl hood does look better but the flat hood is usually the original product. Approx. 9 out of 10 Z/28's were sold with flat hoods. If you are into originality there is a very good chance your 69 came new that way. My 82,000 mile original RS has a flat hood and no spoilers. With all the cowl hoods and spoilers out there it it definitly has a unique look to it. Anyway, thats my 2 cents worth........
Doug

I had a 69 rs convertible with a flat hood and I like the looks of a cowl hood better but a car with any kind of original significance probably should stay the way it came from the factory.To preserve what little is left out there.

My original JL8 car is a flat hood car, but I'm putting on the crossram setup and an original GM fiberglass crossram cowl hood. I'm saving the original hood to keep with the car in case I ever sell the car or I decide to remove the crossram setup in the future.

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Jeff H - Hugger Orange 69 Z28, original factory JL8 brakes, cross-ram & GM fiberglass hood, TI setup, heater and radio delete, Stahl headers, Minilite wheels - being restored - 87 Toyota 4Runner SR5 Turbo

How do you go about doing a title search on a car over 30 years old?
I had thought about doing that on mine, just for the heck of it, but could never run down enough info on where to start the search.

I crawled under the car again today the tranny has a P9119 code on it then below it is 19N501886.

Title searches are not as easy as they used to be. Privacy laws can get in the way of tracing the background of cars. Although I would never advocate any illegal activity, it never hurts to have friends at the DMV or friends who are police officers, as they have greater access to information than the average citizen http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif

From what I've been told...VIN searches only go back to 81. Thats the area I'm having trouble with..from 81-down.