HI,

I'm a new member.... I have a late 68 Van Nuys. It's a 69 but just made in late 68. It's all matching numbers... except I can't seem to find a partial VIN on the block?! I don't know what to do.... BUT I'm almost positive that it's the original block because... I have paperwork from 69 that has the engine number... { DATE ETC.... } and it matches the number on the block. The block also has an I in the code? YES an I not an 1. I also question this? Is that possibly correct? I have been told that in SOME cases that I could mean a 1. I'm not sure though. But i have the REPLACEMENT protect-o-plate.... dated in 1969 so the owner must have lost the original one and got a replacement? Oil stickers from 1970 on.... up to 92,000 miles. I have tons of documentation on this car... but I still have my wonders about these numbers. Also does anyone have A REALLY REALLY GREAT way to detect putty? I think it may have a little bit in the lower quarter panels. I have tried a magnet on it... and it semi- sticks. But I was thinking that it may not have stuck as well because of what is behind it or just the fact of the curve. BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN. Well.... I will keep in touch... and keep you all updated! PLEASE if you have any information.... Respond! Thank you all!


69z28rs

69z
I too have an early 69Z 10E build date on cowl plate. VI018DZ (I instead of a 1) on the machine area at the front of the block. All the early build 69 cars have the VIN stamped vertically at the oil filter area in the rough casting. It's tough to tell you exactly where its at but its the vertical cast flnge at the filter area. My partial vin read 19L506XXX at the filter and I had to take finger nail polish to get the paint off first and then took a chalk stick to it and could barely read them. If you'd like I can send you a Video clip of the area if it's tough to find for you.

THANKS! TODD! I WILL HAVE TO TRY THAT!!! I Will go downstairs right now and.. look a little better. THANKS AGAIN I WILL KEEP YA POSTED!!!

69Z

OK i have just checked my oil filter area... and i found some nyumbers but not the VIN. Um.. where should i be going from here? Those numbers i found... 6 of them 2 rows of 3... the bottom row is in my VIN but not quite in the corrct order. I'm not sure what to do from here? O and those numbers I found were VERY clear but in a hard to get to place. I'm still searching.....


thanks everyone!

69Z

p.s. any help given is HUGE help.... and TODDZ thank you for fixing my problem with the I. O and one last thing... i have the window sticker as.. well does that help? It has the Vin on it... but is there anything else i can use from it? THANKS AGAIN!

Try wire brushing the area to clean out any old dirt, oil and paint. Then you can spray it with white spray paint and wipe it off before it dries. The white paint should stay in the stamped numbers and you'll be able to read it. The chalk idea should work too. The "I" is interchanged with "1" quite often so don't worry about that. What are the codes and dates off the engine? What are the codes on the protect-o-plate? What does your cowl tag read? What is your VIN #? I'm just asking these questions to try and help, so if you don't want to post you VIN, that's up to you. If it's a replacement protect-o-plate, it often doesn't have the engine, trans or rear codes in it. That could also mean someone owned the car for a short time in 69, then the second owner paid for the extended warranty which resulted in a second protect-o-plate being issued. Do you see "5" or "50" anywhere on your protect-o-plate?

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Jeff H - 93 Indy 500 Pace Car(supercharged), Hugger Orange 69 Z28 with JL8 brakes & crossram

I have a few cars in the registry with an "I" on the block deck in place of a "1". Could the "1" die have been broken? Strange.

69Z28RS - I just sent you an E-mail regarding your car's data.....I'd like to get the numbers...


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Steve McCorry - Central Ohio Camaro Club
'69 Camaro RS/SS-350 - Daytona Yellow
'95 Camaro Z-28 - Sebring Silver
click here to see my car ---> www.mindspring.com/~mccorry (http://www.mindspring.com/~mccorry)(updated 7/1/00)

[This message has been edited by mccorry (edited 08-15-2000).]

My 11B car has VI023HA stamped on it with the partial VIN on the front pad also. I thought that the factory started stamping the VIN back by the oil filter in early 69. I have a May 1970 Z28 block with the VIN stamped by the oil filter area. Never knew the early 69 cars had them stamped back there.

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1969 Camaro RS/SS 350/4spd, Azure Turquoise (55-55)
Van Nuys Built 11B
currently on the rotisserie
1972 Chevelle SS Conv LS3
1984 Z28 w/ZZ4 conversion

Forget the exact date, but somewhere around 2nd week of Dec '68, the VIN stamping was switched to the oil filter location. Later on the Van Nuys plant went back to the alternator pad location, but the Norwood plant kept it by the oil filter.

Thank you all! But i just can't seem to find those numbers by the oil filter? Where in the general area should i be looking? Is there a pad? Or what? I'm not sure as to where i'm looking... but earlier today i was under it... with my garage up.. and a light... and i had no luck. I don't know where to go from here... sooner or later i plan on posting my VIN, COWL, ETC.... but not yet.. i would like to know for sure it's what i think it is. SORRY! Well... i'm going to go get my p.o.p. and my documentation... be right back! Ok sorry ya all...hum... AND YES... to whom ever asked (i can't really remember!) my P.o.P has both a 5 as well as a 50. What does that mean? Um... i'm not sure bout what that has to do with anything? But anyhow... it was replaced 10-9-69... and doesn't have any of the engine numbers or any of that. OK... well i am still searching my docs.... ok well looking through them... i have come across the thing that continuously makes me think this is a number matching car.... these invoices.. from 1969... from a certified GM dealer... for factory service. It has the engine code RIGHT on the top of it! It makes me think day in and day out this car is original! Well the only thing is that the invoice in stead of an I in the engine code it has a 1. Which i'm still debating could be a good or bad thing? OK well THANKS! I'm still hunting!!!

CYA THANKS!

69Z

Sounds like you've got a #'s matching engine. The 5 & 50 on the 2nd issue protect-o-plate is for the extended 5 year 50K mile warranty I believe. I've seen another 69 Z28 with it and spoke to the 2nd owner who verified he got the extended warranty. If you have copies of invoices with work done and it has the engine code imprinted on it, that impression most likely came from the original p-o-p when warranty work was done. As far as the location of the VIN, it should be on the rough cast area on the driver's side down by the oil filter pad and it runs vertically up and down close to the bellhousing. The VIN should be stamped from top to bottom on that pad. That rough cast pad area faces toward the driver's fender. It should begin with 19L...... with the 6 digits of your vin. It helps to hold a light at an angle to look for the stamping. But, I've seen a Norwood car with the 19N and then nothing after it. It was a DZ block too.

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Jeff H - 93 Indy 500 Pace Car(supercharged), Hugger Orange 69 Z28 with JL8 brakes & crossram

OK WELL THAT JUST LET SO MUCH LIGHT ON THE SITUATION I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO EXPRESS IT! ON ME ROUGH SIDE OF THE OIL FILTER... I HAVE AN N AND THEN A NUMBER... I DON'T KNOW IT OFF HAND BUT I HAVE SEEN IT THERE BEFORE! AND MY CAR IS A NORWOOD CAR SO.... THAT MAY BE MY MILLION DOLLAR ANSWER! WELL NOT A NORWOOD CAR BUT A NORWOOD ENGINE ANYHOW! WOW THIS MAY BE MY KEY! THANKS A TON!

THANKS YOU ALL!

69 Z

OOPS! You know what i did last night is i musy have been so caught up in this that i thought i had a NORWOOD engine! ( OOPS! ) When in fact i have a FYLNT, MICHIGAN engine!i don't know what i was thinking but PLEASE excuse any of my misleading information there. I'm extremely SORRY! This time i do have the correct information. But was the gentlemen's car a NORWOOD engine ( by some miracle ) whenever he had the N and then those numbers? Well i'm sorry for all of the confusion...... THANKS AGAIN YOU ALL!

THANKS!

69Z

Is your car a Norwood car or a Van Nuys car? The Van Nuys would have the L in the VIN and the Norwood would have an N in the VIN. Your engine should have the same letter as your VIN. Again, look for either a "19L123456" or "19N123456".

ONE LAST THING.... ARE THERE PACIFIC TIMES??? CAUSE I'M QUITE A FEW HOURS A HEAD OF THESE! SAY.... 3 HOURS.... AND I'M EASTERN US? O WELL!

CYA THANKS!

69Z

We must have justed missed my last reply.... i was confused on that information.... but have fixed the reply above.

THANKS

69Z

69Z, Hi and WELCOME to 1 of the 2 best sites on the Internet. I see that you are OVERJOYED with your Z-28 and you have every right to be, it sounds like you have a great car. A little advise if you don't mind. When you sit down at the computer to post here on Team Camaro, take a deep breath before you post and turn the caps off and try to do a better job of puctuating and eliminating the run-on sentences. Thanks. You will find a plethora of info here on this site and everyone will do their best to give you the help you ask for when you post. ENJOY!!!!

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O ok.

Thanks

69Z

Where are you located at on the east coast? Add it to your profile and it helps people find others in your area.

OK

Thanks

69Z

On the subject of the I and the 1. Some of the old die sets used the I as a 1. we once had a set at work that was from back in the 60's and it had the letters of the alphabet and the numners 2,3,4,5,6,7,8, turn the 6 upside down for the nine and use the I as a 1. Very common thing to do back then.

Ok,


Now what about this N thing? I don't remember who it was but they said something about an N instead of a partial VIN? Was that for an LA car? Just wondering. Well thanks again!

cya later

69Z

Forget the N....your car should have a partial vin like 19L5xxxxx.

The N is for Norwood cars. http://www.camaros.net/forum/wink.gif

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Steve McCorry - Central Ohio Camaro Club
'69 Camaro RS/SS-350 - Daytona Yellow
'95 Camaro Z-28 - Sebring Silver
click here to see my car ---> www.mindspring.com/~mccorry (http://www.mindspring.com/~mccorry)(updated 8/14/00)

Ok,

Well this ends most all this stuff for a while. In about 4 days I have a CAMARO SPECIALIST coming to see my car. I will keep you all updated and for those of whom here are doing CAMARO research and need my car's info. and stuff please email me @ nike10622@msn.com thank you!

thank you all!

69Z

p.s. I plan on still being on daily so please if you find anything out please still respond! And also Thank you!

Hi,


Another quick question. I have small sprayers above the headlights. Should they be there? Are they an option? Are they standard? Should they be on the window sticker?

thanks once again!

69Z

The headlight washers are std. on the RS models.....

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Steve McCorry - Central Ohio Camaro Club
'69 Camaro RS/SS-350 - Daytona Yellow
'95 Camaro Z-28 - Sebring Silver
click here to see my car ---> www.mindspring.com/~mccorry (http://www.mindspring.com/~mccorry)(updated 8/14/00)

Ok

Thank you!

69Z

hey guys!

i now have a website for my car. it's still in the workings but it works and shows some good pictures of my Camaro. http://www.69zee.homestead.com/enter.html this will take you to it and you can get some car pictures!

thank you

69Z

I went to your site and looked at the pics.
Whadda ya know....but I had already seen your car in person. http://www.camaros.net/forum/wink.gif It was at the WCA 2000 show in Columbus, Ohio. Pretty car.

You bought it from a guy in New Brunswick?

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Steve McCorry - Central Ohio Camaro Club
'69 Camaro RS/SS-350 - Daytona Yellow
'95 Camaro Z-28 - Sebring Silver
click here to see my car ---> www.mindspring.com/~mccorry (http://www.mindspring.com/~mccorry)(updated 8/14/00)

[This message has been edited by mccorry (edited 08-22-2000).]

yes as a matter of a fact i did. thank you! i heard that he had it all of the TRI state area and was cruising it to sell it. i heard that then he was selling it for 35,000? but i honestly didn't pay that much. but so did you like that car once you had seen it? i have had some work done to it that needed done though. some of the small stuff needed fixed so i got it fixed. please email me! nike10622@msn.com . thank you!

thanks!

69Z

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69 Z28 RS. ORIGINAL window sticker. GM documentation from work being done. Replacement P.O.P from early 69. Fresh off RESTO. 500 miles since put on. NICE car! EMAIL me for PICS!

69Z (nike10622@msn.com)

did my annual oil change today. my car is a 12C la car and i thought the block had been decked because i couldn't make out the vin on the front pad. gave the oil filter pad a look and sure enough there was a 13726 to match my vin of 12376L513726. makes me feel better about the car since the fellow who sold it to me had lied about a lot of the other stuff (air just needs freon, brakes only need rear pads, etc.)
secndgn, posted this pic on another post:
"Sometimes a picture helps http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=867100&a=6307608&p=27289734&Sequence=0
If the number was stamped in the oil filter area it will be on the vertical part of the engine bell housing mount."
it really helped out. i wasn't exactly sure where to look before i saw the pic.

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To see a pic of my car, click here... pages.prodigy.net/mtbmtb/rf396ss.jpg (http://pages.prodigy.net/mtbmtb/rf396ss.jpg)

thanks!

except i have already checked there and so did Jerry. thanks anyhow though! keep that info coming!


thanks again

69Z

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69 Z28 RS. ORIGINAL window sticker. GM documentation from work being done. Replacement P.O.P from early 69. Fresh off RESTO. 500 miles since put on. NICE car! EMAIL me for PICS!

69Z (nike10622@msn.com)