I'm considering looking at X77 69/Z28 to purchase that has an RS option installed.

Did X77s ever get delivered with the RS option?

I do not yet have the trim tag and vin number info yet. The owner will send later this week.

Larry

No, X77 is the base Z28 package, very little exterior chrome and never an RS.

Does that mean you can not get any Z28's with the RS option??
No - there must be, in which case is the correct coding for a Z28 with the RS option?

[ 09-02-2004, 07:42 PM: Message edited by: csn69ss ]

No but it would have an X33 code if it was made in Norwood after December of 1968. RS was an appearance option available on any Camaro, from a 6 cylinder to the ZL1's.

Thanks for the feedback. I really wanted a RS optioned Z if possible and the X77 looked to fill the bill.

Since resto mods are becoming popular. Would the value of the car dimish greatly if there were say an RS and trim package added during restoration?

Larry

No, it does not hurt the value to add an RS option to a car during restoration. The critical thing is the drive train numbers match the car as this is what drives the value of a Z/28. Ensure that it is truly an X77 car and that the numbers are good. In addition to that, see how many of the engine parts are of matching dates as each part is numbered and dated to the time frame of the car being built. The more the car has correct parts and correct dates, the better the chances of it being a bonified Z/28 and having a higher value. There are just too many clones out there and you want to make sure it is a REAL car.

I have both X33 and X77 coded cars and recently added the RS option to one of mine during its resto. There are the pure and correct ways of doing it, and then there are the short cut versions where its done to partial completion or altogether incorrectly. Here is the correct way of adding the RS package and ensuring that all the options are correctly installed to make it look right.

Install the front lighting package c/w all components
Make sure it is all functional including air
Install the correct washer pump bottle
Install the correct headlamp washers and Washer Pump
Install the correct reverse lights and cut outs
Install the correct RS tail light buckets and lenses
Install the correct rear wiring harness for an RS
Drill the holes for the reverse lights correctly
Add the Bright Trim Package to the exterior of car
Paint the lower rockers sill in flat black
Drill the hole beside the booster correctly

Installing a package into a car is one thing, but doing it to the letter "T" is another. I did mine and made sure it was perfect in every way. Have someone tell me that I have taken away from the cars value and you'll have an argument on your hands. Aside from that, it looks totally killer on a Z/28 and 99% of people would agree when seeing it. From a purist stand point, one can always change the car back to a non optioned Z/28 very easily should they want the car perfect and have a build sheet for the car that shows it's not a Rallysport Z28.

The car I optioned is an X33D80 coded car with a build sheet, and I added the option to it because I wanted it. I have seen many other cars where people have added the RS option and some have nothing functional. Just make sures its done right and you are good to go. I have also seen a few RS optioned cars that are X77 coded. Yes anyone in the know would attest the car as being incorrect, but think of it another way. You could always buy an X77 car from the general, have it shipped to the dealer, and then say I want the RS option added. It was only money but the dealer would always have installed it as an option for anyone asking for the conversion right? Here is a link to my web site if you want to see what it looks like.

X33D80.com Web Site (http://x33d80.com/home.htm)

Just an addition to Hugger's list of adding, the washer pump he mentioned is really just an extra solenoid. That solenoid will be the hardest item for you to find, its not remanufactured anywhere. Ebay has had them selling for $350 or more. Complete motor and solenoid have been in excess of $500 so be prepared for that shock. An original RS motor has 2 additional holes to bolt the solenoid too, hence it has a different part number than standard motor assembly. You can drill an existing wiper motor body for that extra solenoid too. Most the other items he mentioned are available in catalogs. smile.gif

Thanks again for the information. Can Hugger/Marc or Click take a look at #110 dated 7/29 in the 69' cars for sale and let me know what you think about the X77.

It does not have a numbers matching drivetrain but I was less concerned about this as long as it is a true Z and the car is super clean.

The fact that the drivetrain is not numbers matching would give me some flexibility with the drivetrain as it would allow me to use my TKO for better gas mileage and overall driveability.

The idea on buying another Camaro (either a RS/SS or Z28) was to either go 100% correct with a complete numbers matching car or find one that is close and allow some easy minor mods and make a good fun daily driver out of it.

Again,

Thanks for the help....

Larry

If you are referring to the blue Z/28 with the RS lights on it
http://www.camaros.net/cgi-bin/cyber/classifieds.cgi?search_and_display_db_button=on&db_id=30017&exact_match=on&photo_size=full,
I would say that it is a nice car but very unlikely that it is or was ever was a real Z/28. I say that because the seller makes absolutely no reference to it having any of the Z/28 components such as a 302DZ Motor or correct gears. Don't get me wrong as I am not attacking this car, just doubt it being authentic. If you know the price of it let me know. I would definitely say that more pictures of the car are needed to verify. Things like the Trim Tag, VIN, Interior Dash, Rear Suspension, Drivers Wheel Well, Gas Tank and Lines, Trans Tunnel, Steering Arms, Steering Box, Rad, Engine Peripherals, Brake System, Bumper, and Date Coding need to be verfied before a definitive answer can be made. I bet on it not being real without seeing more on this car. A made up clone car with NOM Motor, Trans, and Diff is worth somewhere in the high teens if it is really nice and has been thoroughly restored. If I had to peg a price on that car as seen in that one of picture I would say 16K IMHO.

I have seen this car before, can "inspect" the car if you want/need

I recall that it was nice, but I did not spend a lot of time looking at it.

Can not recall if all RS equip was legit

FWIW, this car is about 5 minutes from me

Jim Rohn
rohns@rohnaz.com

It is a nice car, but I have to ask why would you be willing to pay the premium that Z28's bring, if your not concerned about the original drive train and have a TKO transmission to install? The only way a Z28 can command big dollars is if they have the correct engine and transmission and the closer to original condition they are the more they are worth. Originality comes before nice looking even. You would be better off financially if you found a nice basic RS and made your driveline swaps.

Theres no price on that blue RS maybe once upon a time Z28, how much is the asking price?

Everyone,

Thanks again.

Jim, I may take you up on the offer to see the car. My trip to Prescott AZ next week got delayed. I will e-mail to your personal account if I need some help out that way. Thanks for the offer.

Mark,

I already own the TKO and the swap is really easy plus the trans can be swithced back to a numbers matching tranny in an half day. I agree it is far better to go with matching numbers as much as possible.

As I stated before. I'm willing to go to a 100% original car or find one that is realtively close. Of course, the final price is dependent upon the originality and quality the car. A few mods are ok as long as the car is close to original and the car can be brought back to numbers matching if so desired at some future point.

Also, your comment about finding a RS/SS and do the driveline swap (wanted go with a modern ZL1 blk) was my first choice. However, the car I found that fit the quality level I was looking for was a tiny bit more than I was willing to spend for a non NOM car. Happy Days Cars rejected my offers, all 3 of them for their Cortez Silver RS/SS with 454ci NOM.

Hugger, I replied to your e-mail sent to me on my persoanl account.

Larry