I'm trying to decifer the Trim Plate for my 69 camaro. I got everything but the last line. Any idea's?

ST 69-12437 VN 335629
TR 723 59 S
40 P569

Also, is there anyway to determine if it is an RS or base camaro from any of these numbers?

Uh....no. Go read this current thread, it should clear things up for you.......KZ http://www.camaros.net/forum/Forum6/HTML/001301.html

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You can tell if it is an RS by looking at the car. Stamped (not cut) holes for the rear backup lights is key proof. I have a pic of what they should look like.

Could you post your VIN too? Thanks! http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif


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Kurt S.
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The vin number for the car is:
124379L530062

Any sure signs to tell it's an rs. I have the reverse lights in the back. Anything else?

kurt,
where can I find that picure?

(thanks for your help!)

Scott, if you take one of the backup lights out (2 screws behind lens) you can see the hole in the tailpan. If it has ragged edges or the sheetmetal is squarely cut, the you need to look for more clues. If the sheetmetal has a smooth contoured hole with a little roundedness to the edge, then the tailpan is an original RS. Good Luck!

Oh yea, I see your a fellow NJer, where do you hail from? My SS is a LOS car as well, 5030353 only 262 cars away! The last line of your trim tag should be the date 04(A,B,C...)(towards the end of April) and the other number is the LA work order (no options codes there). It took me a while to find that info too.

My SS is an 05a car, which should have been built in May, but due to a strike was not built until the end of June! My work order nubmer is A208. And both are cars are Frost Green! 59 code. Mine with a white top and yours with a green? vinyl top.

Steve McCorry is keeping a LA car table, I'm suprised he hasn't joined in yet http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif

Later, Kevin

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69' SS-350 Convert, M20, 3.55 posi. Totally Disassembled & in boxes (I'm working on it!)
69'(Hugger Orange -originally, Burgundy now) Z-21 Convert 327/PG, Driver

[This message has been edited by KevinW (edited 05-25-2001).]

I'll tell you Kevin, this is the best newsgroup. So many people are willing to help out with info that would take me weeks to find.

I have the rear tail lights off (the lights aren't hooked up) and there is just a flat piece of sheetmetal behind it. The part that the tail lights screw onto are very smooth and appear factor cut. I'm just hoping that the people who had it before me didn't take it off another RS.

I still have to check on top of the gas tank for the Build Sheet. I just wish there was an easier way without taking the gas tank off.

I didn't know my car had a vinyl roof until I read the trim tag, since the whole car is primed.

I'm from Deal (southern/central). It must be nice for you to be right in Englishtown with all the races, car shows, etc. Pretty good deals, huh?

Thanks again for your help.

Scott

Scott, Yes I like it here, I'm actually 15 min away from E-town, but still have the mailing address, go figure. I takes me much more time when the swap meet is on. Deal is not too far.

You said "taillights", the RS taillights are different from standard (RS chrome is horizontal, standards have 2 verticals). But you need to look at the "backup" lights under the bumper. The hole is basically a rectangle with the corners curved, but there are 2 holes for a clip that the lights are screwed to. If all that stuff looks factory and your tailpan has all the factory spot welds where it meets the qtrs and trunk lip, then you got an RS.

Kevin

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69' SS-350 Convert, M20, 3.55 posi. Totally Disassembled & in boxes (I'm working on it!)
69'(Hugger Orange -originally, Burgundy now) Z-21 Convert 327/PG, Driver

Oops. I meant to say 'backup'lights. I have to double check when I get home, but I'm almost positive the cutout is smooth and everything looks factory welded.

But I do have a question. It doesn't have hidaway lights in the front. I know there were problems with them and some people removed them. But is there any way to check to see if they were there at one time?


Kevin, do you have pictures of your SS? I'd like to see it.

Scott, since you don't have your email listed, I can't send it to you. Drop me a line at KurtS2@peoplepc.com and I'll send it to you.

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Scott, the SS is as apart as a car can be without taking the spot welds apart and in primer http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif Pics would be boring. My other car looks much better! Me and a couple of camaro buddies hope to make today's cruise/show at the Jackson Outlets 6-9pm. If the rain doesn't come.

A real RS would have a 1/2 hole for the vacuum lines to go to the headlight switch right above the fuse panel connectors on the firewall.

Kevin

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69' SS-350 Convert, M20, 3.55 posi. Totally Disassembled & in boxes (I'm working on it!)
69'(Hugger Orange -originally, Burgundy now) Z-21 Convert 327/PG, Driver

I'm here KevinW ... just not talking... http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif No need to chime up when everyone else asks the right questions.... http://www.camaros.net/forum/wink.gif

The hole in the firewall for the RS vacuum hoses should be 1" in diameter and located to the outside of the brake booster/master cylinder.

Check for the hole. It may have a rubber grommet in it still with 2 smaller holes (for the hoses).



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'69 Camaro RS/SS-350 - Daytona Yellow
'95 Camaro Z-28 - Sebring Silver
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Steve, thanks for the clarification on the hole. I was getting confused with the power top hole in the same location.

Kevin

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69' SS-350 Convert, M20, 3.55 posi. Totally Disassembled & in boxes (I'm working on it!)
69'(Hugger Orange -originally, Burgundy now) Z-21 Convert 327/PG, Driver

And I sent him a pic of the tailpanel hole. http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif


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Kurt S.
CRG www.camaros.org (http://www.camaros.org)

Thanks for the pics Kurt. That's exactly what mine look like. I'm definitely getting exciting because I was presuming this was a base model with just some trimmings of a RS, but it looks more promising.

As for the hole, there is one (round) that has some sort of cord through it. At the end of the cord (in the car) it has a plastic piece that looks like the end of a turning signal. I would give a better description, but I just sent the car out for a paint job. But does that sound like the hole you are referring to? There is one more hole on the firewall, but it's square and pretty large - at least bigger than an inch. Kinda where the master cylinder is.

Let's see what else I can say.
It has front disc brakes, the rear axle assembly is a 12 bolt, has the backup lights and rear lights of an rs, and that's about all I can think of that might help out. The engine is not original (350) so there's really no point in getting into it!

Scott, the large square hole should be for the fuse box assembly.

Do you think the 12 bolt is orig? 12 bolts only came on SS (your car is too late for the LM1). Find the date code on the pumpkin and the codes on the pass front tube. We can decode them and see if it's correct for the car.

If the 12 bolt is orig, and the front discs are orig, it might be a RS/SS.

Also, did/does your car have the 2 fuel lines? with a 2 line fuel sending unit?

Deja vu, This is the same stuff I had to look for to make sure mine was an SS. Also is your car auto or 4 speed? if 4 speed, you can check the speedometer cable firewall hole. If it's above the accel hole, it's for a Muncie (only SS again), if it's below and between the fuse panel hole and the clutch hole, it's for a Saginaw or Auto.

Also, if you car still had some paint on the rocker panels, you could check for black paint on first layer. All SS without dark colors got the black rocker panels under the mouldings.

Good Luck, Kevin

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69' SS-350 Convert, M20, 3.55 posi. Totally Disassembled & in boxes (I'm working on it!)
69'(Hugger Orange -originally, Burgundy now) Z-21 Convert 327/PG, Driver

I have to check all this stuff out next week once I get the car back from the paint shop. The only thing I know is it was originally had a manual trans and they switched it to auto. But naturally, all the pedals are still there.

I will get back and let you know the other info. Thanks.