I'm attempting to install a manual trans in my '69 Camaro and I recently purchased a '69 brake and clutch pedal assembly from Rick's. Rick's told me that the '67-'68 Camaros had their pedals at different heights, but the '69 Camaro was designed with its brake and clutch pedals at the same height. I installed the pedals and found that there is no way they could ride at the same height. The clutch pedal stop under the dash is about an inch farther rearward than the brake stop, and the pedals are contoured similarly, so the clutch pedal rides higher than the brake. Was the guy at Rick's mistaken, or do I have the wrong pedals? Is my dash brace/pedal hanger (with staggered pedal stops) correct for a '69?

Thanks,
Greg

He must have been mistaken, at least on a "power brake" car anyway. The pedals do not ride at the same height. You are correct, in that the brake pedal is lower, or closer to the floor.

If you have an assembly manual, check it out cause I know in my 67 manual, all the pedal heights are in there.

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67 Camaro SS Conv.
70 Challenger R/T Conv.

gjs,

ragtopman is right, look it your factory assembly manual. All the heights for the manual (UPC ?) and power brake (RPO J50 or J52) are in there. And, if you follow these, the brake pedal WILL be lower.

I've done a LOT of research on this, because I have recently done the same swap in my 69. Here's what I learned. If your pedals are really 69, the clutch pedal should have a switch mounted to it. This switch prevents the car from starting unless the clutch is depressed. The wires are purple and gray. The power brake pedals DO NOT have a bumper stop on them. The manual brake cars do. As Peace hit on, the power brake car's brake pedal is LOWER than the manual brake car's. This is because the power brake car has less pedal travel, and according to the assembly manual, with a 50lb test weight on the pedals, they should both be the same distance from the floorboard.

One more thing, not only does the power brake car not have a bumper stop, it also does not have a return spring. The vacuum booster provides the spring force to return the pedal.

This information is just what I learned, I'm not saying it is correct for all applications. You know what they say, the only thing consistent with these cars are their inconsistencies. Hope this helps anyways. Take care.

Shane

Very interesting information! The pedals in my power disc brake assisted 69 are at the same height and it drives me crazy. The clutch and brake pedal are very high. The gap from the gas pedal to the brake pedal is far too large. I had been wondering how to go about fixing this problem. Possibly I have the incorrect length rod between the booster and pedal? Or the wrong pedals in the car?
Just one more thing to fool with. Has anyone ever seen the pedals out of the third gen Camaros installed in a first gen? I have seen this once and the pedal height looks perfect.
Only thing with that set up though is that the actual foot pads are smaller than in the first gen cars..

I have yet to see a supplier offer a 69 pedal setup. But most do offer a 67-68 setup. They tell you in the description that they will not work on a 69. You can check this out in a Classic Industries catalog (page 548).

Thanks for your replys.

I got a copy of the assembly manual which says all power brake pedals should sit 5.92 inches above the floor. No height is listed for the non-power pedal, and I assume these are just held against the dash bumper by the return spring. The assembly manual also states that all power brake pedals are fitted with a stop light switch striker.

I suspect that the pedals I received from Rick's are incorrect because they would ride much too low with a striker installed, and would need a longer power booster push rod to operate correctly without a striker. To be sure, could anyone tell me if the '69 manual trans brake pedal arm has a straight section at the top before curving down to the pedal pad? My auto trans brake pedal has this straight section, but the manual trans pedal I received does not (it is curved over its entire length).

I appreciate your help,
Greg

check out year one inc. page 227. fits 67-69,$64.95 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 69er:
I have yet to see a supplier offer a 69 pedal setup. But most do offer a 67-68 setup. They tell you in the description that they will not work on a 69. You can check this out in a Classic Industries catalog (page 548).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have a factory installed clutch and brake
and both are the same height,assembly can
be purchased from Year One INC.Atlanta,Ga.,
$64.95,page 227,1-800-932-7663,catalogs
cost $5.00.Worth the price,if you want price
comparison,also National Parts Depot, www.npdlink.com.Theirs (http://www.npdlink.com.Theirs) are for 67-68 only
for the pedal ass'y but have alot of other
good stuff for '67-81' Camaros.

gjs,

The stop light switch bracket bolts to the brake pedal and it activates the brake light switch. The reason they did this is because the pedal is lower than the manual brake pedal in the rested position. Therefore, in order to make the pedal hit the switch (to turn the brake lights off), they had to add an extension bracket to the pedal. It extends beyond the pedal by about 1/2". I have a couple of pictures of this off a 69 Z-28 I will e-mail you. Hope this helps. Take care.

Shane

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69 SSRS Frame-off Resto
81 Z-28 377ci Drag Car

[This message has been edited by 69SSRS (edited 10-04-2000).]

The power brake pedal in my car sits significantly lower that the clitch pedal.

I suspect it does have to do with the adjustment in the rod between the pedal and booster.