All prices below were effective at time of posting.
I've been figuring out the best deal for these parts and now the rest of you won't have to look around and figure it out because here it is as long as you have an Advance Auto store near you.. I was looking into buying a kit from PST, PSC, Kanter, Ricks, Classic Ind., and others. When I sat down and figured it all out by the time you factor in the shipping that some of them charge it's too much.

I like Classic Ind. for some things but for this they're the first ones out they're price was out of hand not including shipping $219.95 for stock bushing overhaul kit w/out idler and pitman arms. Here's what I bought and what it would have cost at these places mentioned above.
I'm only posting 67 camaro except idler but 68-69 were cheaper or same price most places.

Advance Auto Store, All TRW made in USA and life warr.

Click Here (http://www.partsamerica.com/PPF/SourceArea/SHOP/PartGroupID/STERAMS/Description/Steering/AAPCarCode/13890/AAIACarCode/1321243/VehicleDescription/1967+CHEVROLET+CAMARO+V8+5%2E7+Liter+Carbureted/PartTypes.asp)

2 - Upper b/joints - $23.46 pr.
2 - Lower b/joints - $39.46 pr.
2 - Inner t/rods - $30.46 pr.
2 - Outer t/rods - $26.46 pr.
1 - Idler Arm 1969 - $30.98
1 - Pitman Arm p/s - $58.69 fast ratio 5-7/8
Total 209.51 + tax. Picked them up at store 2 miles from home and any problems that's where they go back too.

I'll get Energy/Susp Poly C/Arm bushings from Summit $53.95 + $8.50 hand fee.
Steering parts and Poly bushings Total - $271.96

The parts above not including Idler or Pitman arm at the other places I mentioned above were as follows.

I have to add this it's hard to be exact on this because some places add things like bump stops and sway bar poly bushings (pretty much low cost items).
PST - $219.00 no Inner t/rods. No shipping charge. 67 Idler - $50 - Pitman - $100

PSC - $309.95 with Idler. No shipping charge. Pitman - I don't see one on their site.

Kanter - $210.00 no Inner. S&H charge max $30. Idler - $50 68-69 - $35 Pitman - $100

Ricks - $359.00 w/Idler and Pitman Arm + Shipping charge.

Just wanted to add to do your own checking some vendors might have added something with their kit that might be a good deal to you. I have nothing against any of these vendors I used some of them for other things. I'm just showing you what was the best deal for me. You make the final decision for yourself. Also check other vendors there is plenty of them out there. Good luck!

***Edited to fix wrap caused by long link..

[ 09-15-2003, 12:49 PM: Message edited by: DjD ]

Thanks RamJam.

Check AutoZone for Energy Suspension kits also. They carry them.

You're welcome Hwy, and thanks for the AZone tip. I'll check them out.

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Hey Ram Jam, be careful with that Idler arm..I was just on the phone with an engineer at Rare parts (the only maun. of the 67 Idler) and we both agree its too diffrent to chance interchanging them!!! Most places get $100+ for the 67 Idler arm! I have all these parts here, let me know if I can be of any more help!

MAtt

Matt,

I kind of understand what you're saying but David Pozzi has said many times that the idler being shorter than the Pitman doesn't matter. I've wondered about using the 68-69 Idler but if the subframe is the same on the 1st gens and Nova's why is it a problem? If it's located in diffarent area on 67 I should be able to drill new holes where they need to be right (I don't think they are). I hope David Pozzi will chime in here. I'm also using a 1-1/8 center link bar from a 70 Nova, I can change the other parts but have to use a 67 idler? I don't get it. :confused:

I don't plan on playing this game of hey, look Chevy made the idler arm diffarent one year so let's gouge the sh** out of the price for anyone that needs it. None of this is about you Matt I'm just venting. graemlins/angry.gif

Has anyone here used the 68-69 idler arm on 67?

Does anybody reman the 67?

[ 09-15-2003, 02:25 PM: Message edited by: RamJam ]

Ranjam...I couldn't agree more....I am in the same boat as you , being a parts distributor I make the same money on a 67 Idler as a 68-69 so it doesn't make a diff. to me. I would rather see my customers save some cash when they can. Thats why I spent a lot of time on the phone with rare parts trying to get to the bottom of it. He said he doesn't think they would have spent thousands tooling up for the 67 piece for no reason if the 68-9 would work. My response was maybe it was just for the guys who want their cars "technically" correct...He had no response. The only reason I chimed in here is because I thought it was an interesting topic that I myself was just researching too!!


Matt

Kinda like that old '63 Merc. Meteor I bought that had one year only front shocks THAT I couldn't buy at a reasonable price!!!

Soooo I just modified a set of '64 Fairlane front shocks to fit it!!!

BTW, what is the diff. between the '67 and the '68 idlers anyway???? I have never looked close enough at a '68 to tell...

pdq67

Originally posted by pdq67:
BTW, what is the diff. between the '67 and the '68 idlers anyway???? I have never looked close enough at a '68 to tell...

pdq67 Pd, That's what I'd like to know. :confused:

Matt, Glad you agree. Let me know if you get more info.

Here's a pic of 67.

http://www.partsamerica.com/product_images/AAP/RCR/rp20227.jpg

I'm still looking for one of 68-69. I guess I'll have to take a pic of the new one.

Can we transfer this info and pic's to David for inclusion on his suspension site???

Originally posted by pdq67:
Can we transfer this info and pic's to David for inclusion on his suspension site??? Pd,

I have no problem with doing that. If you're asking my approval? I'm looking right now for a pic of 68-69 idler.

I have looked around at the idler arm differences. The 67 is longer than the 68/69 origonal idler by around 3/4" but the 68/69 replacement idler from Moog is in-between both in length.

In (my) theory, the long pitman should be used with the long idler and short pitman with short idler. BUT GM didn't do it that way on every application!
In 67, they used both long and short pitman arms with the long idler

68/69 used long and short pitman arms and short idler.
The long and short pitman arms were used to provide optional steering ratios in both power and manual applications.

A problem arises in lining up the center link holes to the long pitman and short idler or vise-versa. I believe the idler arm bracket should be loosened at the frame when inserting it to the center link.

70 and up Camaros have a hugely long pitman and shorter idler arm. But that's another mystery...
David

[ 11-07-2003, 09:59 PM: Message edited by: davidpozzi ]

David,

I'm finding that some places sell the same idler for all 3 years.

So you're saying that if I want to use the 68-69 idler I can it will fit the bolt holes on the frame and line up with everything including h/duty center link? I'm not worried about concourse I just want functionality.

I am using the 5-7/8 pitman arm so I guess I'll have the offset look. Or should I get the shorter pitman? It's the same price and I do have the shorter spindle arms 5-3/8. Thanks

This is from David's site 68-69 idler
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/David_Pozzi/69idlrmoog5.375.jpg

[ 09-16-2003, 11:10 PM: Message edited by: RamJam ]

Just hoping David will reply to my questions above. Thanks

The long pitman has the adavatage of faster ratio. The replacement idler arm for a 68/69 has a medium length, so you will be off a quarter inch with a short pitman, off by a half inch or a bit less with a long pitman. Not enough difference to worry about. I'd go with the long pitman to get the fastest ratio.
David

[ 11-07-2003, 10:02 PM: Message edited by: davidpozzi ]

Ok, Once again thanks David.

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Originally posted by RamJam:
Matt,

I kind of understand what you're saying but David Pozzi has said many times that the idler being shorter than the Pitman doesn't matter. I've wondered about using the 68-69 Idler but if the subframe is the same on the 1st gens and Nova's why is it a problem? If it's located in diffarent area on 67 I should be able to drill new holes where they need to be right (I don't think they are). I hope David Pozzi will chime in here. I'm also using a 1-1/8 center link bar from a 70 Nova, I can change the other parts but have to use a 67 idler? I don't get it. :confused:

I don't plan on playing this game of hey, look Chevy made the idler arm diffarent one year so let's gouge the sh** out of the price for anyone that needs it. None of this is about you Matt I'm just venting. graemlins/angry.gif

Has anyone here used the 68-69 idler arm on 67?

Does anybody reman the 67? I put an Advance Auto parts/Western Auto idler arm for a 68 on my 1967.
I have put about 6,000 miles+ on it since then,
and the Front tires are still wearing evenly,and i did not have an alingment done after i put the part on.

I have however worn out 3 sets of rear tires in the same time!{my posi works ok!} graemlins/beers.gif

That's great to hear Caveman.. Thanks

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