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: Got offered $500 for the ragtop tonight!!!


DjD
Jan 29th, 01, 07:21 PM
Got home from work and found a letter in the mail box from the local chapter of the AQMD (Air Quality Management District). They offered to buy my pre 1981 gross polluting vehicle from me for $500. It qualified because ir runs and is registered. All I had to do was drive it to the nearest crusher and I would get a check!!!

I took the liberty to draft a letter and E-mail it to the Gentleman incharge of the buy back program. Here it is,

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Mr. Stienberger,

Thank you for the generous offer of $500.00 for my 1969 vehicle that has it's registration about to expire. The car in question is a 1969 Camaro convertible. It has been painfully restored to better than new condition and is only driven on special occasions. If you would like to see a picture, you can at http://www.camaroslimited.com/graphics/memcars/den1.gif . This vehicle has a value of over $20,000 and I am sorry to say I will not be taking you up on your offer. The minimum price on a pre 1970 Camaro that meets your requirements (registered and running) is roughly $5,000.00 and many vehicles of this era are approaching the same pricing. You can see fewer and fewer owners will be taking your offer seriously.

I am sure you know as I do, cars like mine are not the gross polluters they are made out to be. This car is in better tune than 90% of all the cars on the road today. With the low mileage it sees annually and the loving care it receives you are barking up the wrong tail pipe. Look around you the next time you are out and about. You won't see too many
pre 1973 vehicles commuting the freeways, city streets or parking lots!! You won't see many of them parked in the driveways of our
homes! They are locked in our garages, driven on Sundays and displayed proudly at a summer car show!!! Your program is targeting the wrong segment of automobile!!!

Classic car collectors are a great bunch of people and have a better understanding of the mechanics of the internal combustion engine than most. We snap at the chance to score a junker and breath new life into it, or to take donor parts from a "one tire in the crusher" vehicle and use them to help restore our projects. From our side of the fence we
see a need to stop crushing these old cars and make them available to collectors and those interested in preserving a part of the american past!!!

I am writing this in hopes you might be open to seeing your program from the other side. When you do things for a while you become complacent and resistant to change. Putting on blinders like a race horse so all you see is the track ahead of you is ok for horses but not for a world as diverse as ours. You need to bring the BAAQMD out of the dark ages. Get automotive enthusiasts on your side. Work with business' to give incentives for car pooling, telecommuting and varied work shifts to reduce traffic congestion. (any car idling along in bumper to bumper
traffic isn't very efficient) Then go after the Auto makers and get them to make vehicles pollute less. And by all means don't forget about all the factories billowing tons of pollution into the air every day. We (car nuts) truly understand the need to preserve and protect the quality of the air we breath. It's time to concentrate efforts on the really effective practices and adjust the years you are after with this program. Help the classic automotive enthusiasts and they in turn will help you... How about a joint venture where the pre 1973 vehicles you
collect get set aside and auctioned off to raise money. Anyone that would bid on one of these cars would be doing so with plans to restore it or part it out for restoration. It becomes win, win!! I look forward to your reply.

Thank you,
Dennis Dunio
Webmaster@CamarosLimited.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I encourage all of you to speak up and let your elected officials know how you feel about our pastime!!!

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...Dennis
The Cars:
'69 RS Convertible w/SS trim (http://www.camaroslimited.com/memberscars/den.htm)
'96 Z28SS #1679 of 2410 (http://www.camaroslimited.com/graphics/memcars/96ss.jpg)
The Club:
Camaros Limited Nor-Cal (http://camaroslimited.com)

[This message has been edited by DjD (edited 01-29-2001).]

jrt67ss350
Jan 29th, 01, 07:32 PM
Wow, $500!!!! Can't imagine why you didn't jump on the offer. Seriously though, way to go DjD!!!!! You hit the nail on the head!! I agree, we all need to let our elected officials know how we feel about fixin' em up instead of crushing them.

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Justin
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www-student.furman.edu/users/j/jtrauner

jvolk81
Jan 29th, 01, 07:34 PM
Right on, the only way to change the minds of these idiots is to speak up. Kudos!!!!

rickmack
Jan 29th, 01, 07:35 PM
I'll double their offer, I will give One Thousand dollars cash (no check). Now how can you turn that down Dennis? I will wait for your reply, and see you Friday night at the meeting. http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif
Rick
By the way, the letter is spectacular. Were you an activist in the 60's?

Joe G
Jan 29th, 01, 07:39 PM
Power to the people! What an insult to send out a letter like that. Goes to show the state of our state.
Joe
PS. I WAS an activist in the 60's. (But I'm a republican now; who could tell?)

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69 SS396 Clone, B&M TH400, 12 Bolt Posi, Blue w/White Z28 Stripes
Badboatdude@CS.com

lil_beast_67
Jan 29th, 01, 08:12 PM
My mom (who helped me pick out the car) has a degree in environmental science. My other car is a FFV (flexible fuel vehicle) and our family knows that the way to cleaning the air is stopping the destruction of the rainforest and our natural resources. Sure our cars pollute, but when millions of acres of land are being slashed and burned as we speak, I for one would think that they are barking up the wrong tree.

So yah, you can go ahead and tell them where they can shove that check http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif

joni
Jan 29th, 01, 09:11 PM
DJD!!

I can i come over and do something!!! If i would receive anything like that in my mail i sure like to take my aluminium baseballbat and felt like playing !! My god cant you do anything there for it? vote against somebody or something? I had to say you can control your feelings and write nice after "offer" like that(i call it insult )

Sorry my temperature but i just hate oneway opinions in this world! thank god there si still gas for sale!!!!!
Joni

travis
Jan 29th, 01, 10:09 PM
Djd, I only have one thing to say...Amen! I just dont understand how everybody can be so blind...taking a bunch of very limited use vehicles off the roads and leaving all of the gas hog SUV's and out of tune, smoke belching 80's models economy cars on the roads isnt going to help anything. What is really bad is that big corporations can buy leniancy (sp?) against their pollution output...rather than be forced to do something about it. They way it is now, we are paying for it twice...higher prices from manufacturers to cover their pollution credits, and we are loosing perfectly good hot rod material and parts every day.

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375hp 78 Chevy truck
77 Chevy Nova
95 Chevy Lumina 3.4L
and building a 78 Nova

John68rs
Jan 29th, 01, 10:56 PM
Awesome letter DJD! You're absolutely right. Take care ~ John

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1968 RS, 355/4spd/12 blt w/3.55's.www.camarogenerations.com (http://www.camarogenerations.com)

Everett#2390
Jan 30th, 01, 01:54 AM
Very good letter. I wonder if people from other forums got hit the same?

My hat is off to you! (I'm bowing at the same time).

Long live the restorer!!!

Everett 68/350/PG/11.90

4 speed
Jan 30th, 01, 02:51 AM
very profresional ! I would think he might even read that and understand where we are coming from.
Is there any organization for the preservation of classic autos that we could join and have are voices heard?

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Johns69
Jan 30th, 01, 04:01 AM
DjD, fantastic letter!!!! I hope you get a reply, soon. Please post it, I'm sure everyone is interested in what he has to say.

ragtopman
Jan 30th, 01, 05:53 AM
1st, Ill double Ricks already doubled offer of $1000. to $2000. cash!

2nd, way to go Dennis. You hit the nail on the head with your letter. Unfortunatly, your talking to a bunch of politicians(no offense)and unless your not greasing there palms, they are not listening(at least thats the way it is up here), because they could turn there 1 sided program into a win/win situation for everybody with a small amount of thinking and planning, cause remember, alot of these cars havent been made in over 30 yrs. which means for every year that goes by, there are fewer and fewer cars and parts to go around, and the one with the most parts WINS http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif, or is that toys?

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67 Camaro SS Conv.
70 Challenger R/T Conv.

onemorecamaro
Jan 30th, 01, 06:04 AM
DJD, Ditto!!! Got my letter yesterday. Ran right down and turned my '69 Z/28 in and scored a cherry '87 Taurus with a bad tranny on the way home and pocketed a cool $200.
Seriously though this is not going away. Dennis has taken a major step and the rest of us need to follow up in order to assure our hobby/passion doesn't become a memory.
Lastly, does anyone believe that if they drove up to a dismantler with their '68 big block, four speed convertible it would get anywhere close to the crusher? They would snap that baby up and stick in a derelict they scraped off the street somewhere and tag it as yours.


John

RickD
Jan 30th, 01, 06:23 AM
A very well written and thoughtout response. It's a shame these mandates get so much critical mass that they take on a life of their own. It's pretty sad when judgement and common sense fall be the side.

POP D TOP
Jan 30th, 01, 07:19 AM
Atta boy Dennis! You're preaching to the choir here, but your insightful response can give credibility to your local government officials with regard to our hobby.

People need to understand we are not greasy, dimwitted, irresponsible gearheads. These are NOT the only broken down rust buckets we can afford to buy...they're tributes to engineering, craftsmanship, and individual expression. Not to mention, when we gearheads gather there's normally some charity that benefits, or at the very least it's an opportunity for families to gather and make a few positive memories, both for participants AND spectators.

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'69 Garnet Red Convertible, Ivory over black, 350 w/turbo 400

DelGratta
Jan 30th, 01, 07:43 AM
I think I just found out how I'm gonna score my next ride.

DJD, any chance you can send me a copy of Mr Steinberger's letter. I'm going to white-out his name, add mine, and put a copy in the mailbox of every musclecar owner in Franklin county! LOL http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif

DOUG G
Jan 30th, 01, 10:48 AM
DJD,
very well said. just think if we all sold our cars to the crusher, and put tens of thousands of people out of work. ( paint suppliers,body shops,aftermarket suppliers,ect. )then would we all drive hybrids ? http://www.camaros.net/forum/eek.gif

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My '68 Camaro (http://hometown.aol.com/Dougs68Camaro/index.html)
Doug G.
68 Camaro
406 ci.

Z28 Mark
Jan 30th, 01, 11:42 AM
Hey Dennis, please post the e-mail address so some of the rest of us can e-mail this dude and fill up his INBOX…
See you this Friday and Saturday for the Officers meeting.
Mark (a.k.a. Z28 Mark)

phel69
Jan 30th, 01, 12:12 PM
Maybe he owns a Camaro and is just trying to boost the value a little. NOT!!!!! That letter finally gives me a reason to be glad I live in snowy Connecticut instead of sunny California. We will probably be next!

Bob

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Bob
Garnet Red 69/SS396/TH400/355 Posi
94 HD Dyna Wideglide

Mark W. Winning
Jan 30th, 01, 01:45 PM
DJD for President!!!!

http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif



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Mark

1992 Firebird 355/Six Speed (Soon to be LT1)
1991 RS 350 / 700-R4
1987 Toyota Pickup 383 / 500 + HP 10.963 @ 119.95 Slicks / 11.997 @ 114.23 Radials
"Speed KILLS, so drive a FORD and live forever!"
http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/~racer383/

b-boy
Jan 30th, 01, 02:40 PM
When and why did you people in California let the Fascist, Socialist, and Communist take over your state? The solution to your problems are way beyond a "polite letter". Good luck.

rojo
Jan 30th, 01, 03:09 PM
Way to go Dennis. I hope South Carolina never gets like that. You CA guys sure have to put up with alot.

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Robert

'69 getting better every day... (every pay day)

DjD
Jan 30th, 01, 04:11 PM
Well I got a reply, I will post it in a new thread shortly. Thanks for the support and kind words about my letter. rickmack - I was still riding stingrays in the 60's... Joni - I learned to control my temper when I saw getting mad didn't solve anything. Who ever said "the pen is mighter than the sword" was right on! onemore... - if I knew I could have scored a Taurus I wouldn't have written the letter!! http://www.camaros.net/forum/wink.gif DelGratta - we should go into business..

Before anyone rushes off to send a letter to Mr. Steinberger, please know that I wrote what I did based on my emotions as I was reading the letter. I didn't finish reading it until just a few minutes ago. The very last line reads "If your vehicle is a classic car or otherwise valuable to you, please disregard this notice." I don't think it would have swayed my letter but when you see the response I got back, I think you will be surprised... And no, I am not a politician so you won't see my name on the ballot...

Again thanks to everyone that replied! it's all about solidarity!!! This site is the best...

Edit: Here is the link, http://www.camaros.net/forum/Forum1/HTML/003528.html
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...Dennis
The Cars:
'69 RS Convertible w/SS trim (http://www.camaroslimited.com/memberscars/den.htm)
'96 Z28SS #1679 of 2410 (http://www.camaroslimited.com/graphics/memcars/96ss.jpg)
The Club:
Camaros Limited Nor-Cal (http://camaroslimited.com)



[This message has been edited by DjD (edited 01-31-2001).]

CA420
Jan 31st, 01, 03:23 PM
Very well said and I couldn't agree more.

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68 RS, Ash Gold,pwr windows,Hounds tooth