i was wondering what everyone thinks is the best full conversion for disc brakes. i have looked at the bear brakes but they seem pretty expensive and they are still not a full conversion kit. i was looking at the stainless steel force 10 extreem with 13" rotors. does anyone have these or an opinion on them. thanks from my 69

I have heard good things about both Baer and Stainless Steel Brakes. Baer is real expensive, but has nice stuff. Stainless Steel's kits are supposed to be easy to install and are a bit cheaper.

I have installed four wheel disks on my 1968 that originally had manual drums. The kit I got was AWESOME and it was cheaper than Baer. I got it from a place in Florida called Aerospace Components. The kit I got was the "pro-street" kit. It is all fabbed aluminum and is just dynomite (also looks great behind 5 spoke wheels). It uses 12'' two-piece rotors all around and 4 piston calipers. The kit used the original drum spindles. Overall I probably dumped 25 lbs compared to the original drums if not more.

The front came with flex hoses and all the stuff needed for installation. The rear came with hard lines. You can also get an optional parking brake, but it isn't great.

The only problems that I had was that the rear brakes use slightly larger wheel studs, so I had to drill the axle flanges. If you get the park brake, you have to do some minimal fabrication to hold the cables at the right tension. Also, they don't sell power master cylinders, so I just went to Master Power brakes and got a 4 wheel disk m/c and booster. It works wonderful. The guys at Aerospace are also very helpful and answered all of my questions. Give 'em a call or look them up on the web at .... www.aerospacecomponents.com (http://www.aerospacecomponents.com)

How is Baer not a full kit? I recieved everything needed for a full install. Had aluminum hubs, with pre-packed bearings in Redline synthetic grease, loaded calipers with pads installed, caliper brakets, rotors, all hardware, master cyilnder, prop. valve, ect. They did all but send it assembled on a spindle. I can tell you for the money, you won't find a better kit than Baer, and it is a complete as they come.
Tyler

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hey there fella i didn't realize bear sold a complete kit,there is much to look at on the site. well i know that the stainless kit will set me back about $1400 so how much would a comparable bear system cost in a 13" 4 piston caliper kit? and where can i get the best prices on either of these kits? thanx!

USE WILWOOD BRAKES!!!!. I got a set with a 1" drop spindle setup from Summit and they are FANTASTIC. When I install a 12 bolt in my 67, I'm going to do a rear disc brake conversion on that. Call the Summit tech line for any questions or different kit options they may have.

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Teetoe - are your brakes manual or power? My question got lost in an earlier post on this subject. I have manual drums, would like to upgrade and am not opped to staying manual. PDQ67 had mentioned his are manual. I don't mind stomping the pedal but want a good bite.

vtec, just go to www.baer.com (http://www.baer.com) , they list the kits they offer and the price.

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Mine are power. The kit was 1090 for 12"x1.1" crossdrilled brakes, full conversion. I haven't heard good things about Wilwoods as far a everyday street goes, plus Baer gives you a parts list where you can get replacment parts at nearly any parts store nation wide. It isn't some custom job where you have to get wilwood only parts. If you are interested, call Baer and talk to Nick Tompson. Great guy to deal with.
Tyler

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Willwoods suck on the street i used them, go with the corvette conversion kit from CMP Master Power

Wilwoods are not that great, not only are they NOT D.O.T Approved, they recommended for OFf road use only (to beat the DOT approval/inspection) I recommend getting the correct conversion kit from Year One,

the Wildwood brake kit you have to bolt the rotor to the wheel hub assembly, then safteywire all the crap together, the lugs are 3" long, so you need to replace them. then have fun shimming the caliper in place and safteywire that too together. the only thing cool is the drop in pads.

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hey chris I had to reply again I cant say again how bad the wilwoods were on the street, and that stupid screw on hub dustcap, kept unscrewing, I hated them, they told me they could be used on the street, no way a street car is too heavy for them and those stupid gator pads wore the rotors right out, the bottom line is they suck! oh and the dust from the pads nearly ruined my boyds wheels

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Teetoe: How did you get your baer kit for $1090?? When i called for a front disc kit they told me $1900 for the street kit and like 2100 for the sport...If i could get it for 1100 i would do it in a second..the baer kit looks awesome. Thanks.

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hey you guys! how did my question turn into another subject and into willwood bashing.

yes the baer systems look nice but do i really need something that spectacular on my car not to mention the price tag. they are becoming very popular and i am sure thats driving the price up!

i was wondering if anyone was using the stainless steal Force 10 Extreem kit yet.
it has a 13"rotor and 4 piston caliper and will bolt on to my stock drum brake hubs.

sorry if i upset anyone but it would be nice to really stay with the subject! thanx

the front and rear kit I got from Aerospace only costed $1700 (with the parking brake) and it is awesome. Four piston calipers all around, billet aluminum parts. I mentioned it earlier on in this topic. They really rock and are a great alternative to the Baer kit.

My flat steel plate big single piston caliper bracket, caliper and an '88 13" Vette rotor might be just what you want for your front if you want to fabricate the brackets!!

Everything goes on a drum hub and either disc or drum forged spindles. pdq67

The best Conversion is the Corvette one from CMP Master Power it uses proven GM parts and you can get replacements at any auto parts store

I got mine 2 years ago. The price was 1090 at that time.
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Well, well....well. As for most I will have to agree, the Baer kit is complete.....as complete as they come. I run the 13" track system and it only cost me $780.00 in 1998. And you can buy spare parts from GM, Ford and Chrysler, as well as every parts store across the country.

Now as for the Willwoods, where do you buy your pads and how long does it take you to get them without having to keep a set or two around the garage? And what about spare sparts?

Besides all that, Baer is a road going caliper and IS a certified DOT part.

Oh yeah, you can purchase Baer to fit drum or disk spindles without the cost of replacing what you have.

My 67 does 60 - 0 in 96 feet. Tell me you can do that.

You may ask is it worth all this money? Well think about that for a second.....parts availability, durability, chicks dig it, real world stopping power and not to mention 96 feet 60-0!!! Is stopping 15 to 25 feet shorter than the next guy a good thing? I dunno, didnt you just miss that accident by 15 or 20 feet? (you just saved your precious vintage sheet metal and all that money you've been throwing at it)....

Sounds like common sense...........

Why dont you just raise a fist full of 100 dollar bills in the air and set them on fire

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Ok, so you want big, bad brakes? I'd suggest the Baer Track system for the servicability reasons listed above. However, do you realize that the 13" kit from Baer uses the heavy duty front brake parts for the C4? They are the same rotor and caliper, and the master cylinder is nearly identical per a conversation with a tech rep. So, to save some $$, do what I'm doing. Go out and purchase the items yourself. I found two calipers at a local salvage yard for $120 for the pair. I got two brand new rotors for about $175 (Raybestos brand-Bendix and some others were cheaper though).

Check out this link on making some brakets and more detail on the conversion http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/David_Pozzi/12_corvette_brakes_on_fgen.htm
If you're not up to making your own brackets, Baer told me I could purchase the brackets for $100 ea.

I haven't gotten to the brake lines yet, so I don't know what's involved there. In the long run I may not really end up saving too much money, but I'm able to purchase the parts as money and the wife allow. It is difficult to come up with that kind of cash all at once and justifying spending it on the car-and I'm surely not going to run up credit card debt!! Bottom line is that you'll get OEM proven parts that can be serviced anywhere and if you do it this way you'll be able to say yo did it yourself.

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My 13" conversion is cheaper yet!!. But ya gotta make your own caliper brackets!! He, He!! pdq67

Bret's idea is a definate winner. It would surely keep the cost down!!! and you would get the best of both worlds....OE reliablity, sheer performance and low cost. Not to mention light weight and parts availibility.

Hear hear!