i have a 68 302 engine.it is a MO code motor.it is bored .030 over it has the original heads.they are shaved .010.it has the original intake and crank.everything else is new.gm solid cam,all manley stainless parts in heads.manley race rods.j.e. pistons.all stainless bolts in motor.it only needs a couple parts to start it.i know the MO engines are rare.what do you think it would be worth? im thinking of selling it.

[ 03-24-2004, 05:01 AM: Message edited by: camaro_man000 ]

I think it's worth about $50.00, do you want my shipping address??? :D

I'm not sure if this is the proper topic for this question, maybe check the classifieds or bench racing, or tag team??

Paul D.

im sure you couldn't afford it anyways.

As a suggestion, you might post the numbers to the left of the engine code. These numbers are the build date and location where built. The other numbers to the left of the MO are part of the VIN.

Somebody here might have the body to go with the engine, providing the block deck hasn't been machined.

Wow, was that a slam Camaro_man?? Lighten up! smile.gif

I'm sure I could afford it but equally sure that I don't need it!! I'm not really into the 100 point concourse stuff, I prefer to build modern iron that I can beat on with a clear conscience. I figure that frees up all the vintage iron for the guys that really need it. ;)

Paul D.

sorry.thats why i want to get rid of it.i would be too worried about blowing it up or something.

We have a great place for you to list that mouse for sale. www.camaros.net/classifieds (http://www.camaros.net/classifieds)

Use the classifieds, they work. I put a set of 2.02" 291 heads up there and they were gone in a week!! (they might have been a date match for your 302!!)

IMHO it's the best place to find an audience of several thousand hardcore Camaro owners looking for parts. And, it's free!!

Good luck,

Paul D.

PaulD,

What did you get for your -291 heads?

Please e-mail me at home if you don't want to say on the Board.

I might sell my set of good, big valve, -291's????

THX. pdq67

i was told by a couple camaro guys to sell it for at least $10,000.they said i could get that easy.what do you think? could i get that much or more?

Someones full of it!!

That engine might be worth $2500-4000 depending on the condition of the components and the date codes. $10K for a 302 is a dream. There's a lot of DZ 302 motors for sale in the $5K range and they're not selling.

its not a dz.its an mo.big difference!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, still depends is it a 67 or a 68 MO?

68.but i know they were only in 7199 cars.

You would have to find the guy with the car that engine came out of and then you could extort $10k from him... I've seen guys sit on DZ's for years wanting $5k for them. If it's complete carb to pan maybe $4k. The fact that the heads have been shaved and block bored as well as the aftermarket insides will keep the price down...

its not a dz !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So what, how many times are you going to say that!! Was this an ad for your engine or did you want advice?

Point blank it's been modified and that makes it no different than any other small block. To the folks that are looking for an MO block the only value in what you have is the block, the heads can't be made stock and anything aftermarket is garbage to a purist!!

the same as any other small block? i doubt that.

It sounds to me like you already has your price set......$10K. So go ahead and advertise it as such and see what happens. The guys above are not trying to rip you off on value, I doubt any of them are even interested in the engine. They're giving you the most honest answer to your question they can.

You'll only know what it will ultimately bring by selling it.

Good luck.

Jody

i understand.but when i have gotten 30 different answers to my question from different sites.now im really lost.everyone seems to be a camaro expert.but i get different prices.

Honestly, I'm not a "numbers matching" guy at all. I understand not wanting to sell a $10K engine for $4k. and later finding out how stupid you were to give it away. If you could find the exact car it belonged to and if the owner of that car was very interested in having the original engine then he might pay more than most for the engine. I just don't think it will bring anything above $4K or so; any mods on an engine like that bring down value. I think you should stick to a number you're comfortable with and see where it goes. You just never know what it may be worth to the right guy.

Jody

Thanks Jody!!

camaro_??? the only thing someone restoring a '68 Z/28 will want is the block, crank and intake... Everything else is of no use to the person you are looking to market your engine to. Even then they are going to want correct dates on the parts before they even consider high dollars for what you have. If they can get a wrong date cheap enough they may pick it up to possibly trade later... Even if the dates are right they will only pay based on the parts they can use... Sorry to burst your bubble. You have to wipe the $$ out of your eyes before you can see clearly!!

i know this subject is getting old,so i got another question.has anyone driven a camaro with a 302? i heard they aren't very streetable,is that true?

Originally posted by camaro_man000:
i know this subject is getting old,so i got another question.has anyone driven a camaro with a 302? i heard they aren't very streetable,is that true? Driven several... The 302 is designed to rev and doesn't make any torque below 3500-4000 rpm. The average 350 makes it's torque in the 2000-5000 rpm range. If you drive a 302 like a 350 it's a turkey... If you drop the clutch at 4000 and shift the 302 at 7000 your eye will look like this :eek:

I drive one every weekend. well almost. ;) and Yes they are streetable. just not alot of bottom end.

hmmm,if its not good in the lower rpms would it go through plugs fast?

It could if it were not kept tuned and were driven at low rpm... they came from the factory with 4.11:1 or 3.72:1 rear gears so if it's driven on the hwy much plugs shouldn't be a problem. 65 mph in 4th would be about 4500 rpm or so...

Mine has 84000 miles on it and is getting tired, so i do change the plugs evey 1500 miles or so.

well,maybe i'll just get the motor running and try it.i might like it and not want to sell it.i bet it would sound awsome shifting gears at 7000

Run a 3.73:1 gear, side step the clutch and stab the gas at 3000 rpm; shift at 8000 rpm. That's how I used to run my 302 motor. Enjoy your white knuckle ride. :D

Here is some sound advice from an experienced seller, and a 302 owner. The motors are good for what they were intended for. By that I mean to say running them on a road track and winding them out through the gears. Be careful if you plan on running it up to 7 grand all the time or you will quickly learn why many z28 cars no longer have their original mills in them. It was a bit of a misnomer and many people went out and cranked these things up all the time and many were taken home in dixie cups. (i.e. DZ302 @ 7500 RPM will often spit out rods in the #3 cylinders and end up and being lunched from the abusive rpm's)They make decent power at high rpm but very little torque for the stop and go light racer on the street. My best recommendation is to build it real well, factor in some tolerances and short shift it between 6500 & 6800 where it will likely live longer.

The engines are worth an average price of 4-5K when rebuilt and totally complete. That is the grind out price on a 69 block and trust me, the 68 block might be a bit more rare but they are much less sought after when compared to 69 cars which really drive the first generation market. (no offence to 68 owners but we all know 69's are a more in demand with quantifiable resto's exceeding that of 68 body's)

If you found an owner looking for your specific block and the date is totally right for him you might get an extra K note but 10K for a 302 is never going to fly. I will bet a plane ticket and lunch on me for that one my friend. Not to say that in a few years tjhey will increase, but even then 10K is way high. Maybe the person who told you that was a bit of an EBAY fan or something and thinks all parts are like gold. I have seen many on eBay and elsewhere that just do not sell no matter how correct of machined they are.

I like your enthusiasm but ask you to side with the knowledge found in this forum. The people here are probably the most realistic and experienced Camaro Guru's you will ever find on any web site or forum. If the general group suggest 4-5K is the price, it's because we know and because we have seen or sold many. Most of them don't get 4-5K unless they are right to the numbers and or have a ton of high dollar machining recently done with all the details listed.

Install it and enjoy it is my advice to you. If not, then part it out. Blocks are worth 800.00, cranks are worth 500.00, rods 200.00, pistons will vary, and the heads on an MO block (291 Castings) don't normally go over 350.00 or so on eBay as they are also less sought after when compared to the 186 heads with accessorie holes.

Hope this info helps you out with your dilemma. By the way, I have driven many 302 cars over the years and have sold lot of parts.

I drove my junk 301 for a couple a years as my daily driver AND just put up with it after I figured out how to dog it around town and still keep it able to rpm..

I just took it out on the highway and held her down in each gear until it quit missing, then shifted and did it again!! A couple a times of this and my plugs came back and she would go above 7,000rpm or until the points cut out..

Remember my car has an M-20 and 3.31's so was a dog outa the hole, but once she was "up on the pipe", say above 3,000 rpm, she ran like a scalded dog!!

pdq67

I've would hang onto it. I rebuilt my 302w/ 6"rods&dart alumn. heads it eng. dynoed at 5750r.p.m. at just over 383h.p. w/400ft.lbs torque.