I HAVE 430 HP ENGINES FOR SALE I HAVE TWO OF THEM THERE ARE ONLY 428 OF THESE MADE THEY
HAVE 430 POUNDS OF TORQUE THESE ENGINES
ARE STILL IN CRATE I HAVE #105 AND #106
WILL SELL ONE OR BOTH FOR JUST 12,500 EACH

Are you talking about the ZZ430's? Is that the correct price?

Unfortunately, he IS talking about the ZZ430. Apparently, a lot of speculators got a hold of a bunch of these engines and think they are plated in gold or something. The last one I saw was priced pretty high too, but $12,500 takes the cake.

Bigdmd, I hope you paid close to GM's asking price for these, because that is all they are worth. I can build the exact same engine for less than half your asking price. Who cares that my version wasn't originally built by GM, very few of us with 67-69 Camaros have our car's original GM built engine anyway.

[This message has been edited by gheatly (edited 06-04-2000).]

$12,500??? Only 2 words come to mind. Good grief.......KZ

That includes a 69 RS coupe, right?

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67 Camaro 410sb 11.63 @117.6
67 Camaro 388 ET-???
website (http://www.geocities.com/lonnie67_1966)

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Camcojb:
Are you talking about the ZZ430's? Is that the correct price?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>YES 12,500
PHONE 317-293-9538

gheatly how exactly do you build one like it?? Were on a heavy budget and those figures sound nice and I would like to build a motor like that for our 69 camaro

Rob`

these motors have sold for 15000.00$
or more !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!they are not
made of gold but are worth 12,500

The only two words I can think of are rip, and off, in that order.

ZZ4 engine with ZZ5 cam made 448 horses with Holley, small tube headers, on Horsepower TV. If they could do it with just a cam change, well, so can anybody, for far less than $12,500.00.

I just really despize people who think they can get away with taking advantage of others.

Let me put my (2)cents in, please. My 496 bb isn't going to run $5,000. But I've done a lot of comparison shopping and I'm going to put it together myself. I'm not going to run it much over 5500 rpm, but hey with all the power I'm expecting out of it, I won't have to for just "cruising". Sounds like alot of money for a small block. Does it come w/ the "SB-2" heads, intake, headers etc.??? I'm really not up on this "part #" engine. Please fill me in on what it's made of. pdq67

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IgnitionMan:
The only two words I can think of are rip, and off, in that order.

ZZ4 engine with ZZ5 cam made 448 horses with Holley, small tube headers, on Horsepower TV. If they could do it with just a cam change, well, so can anybody, for far less than $12,500.00.

I just really despize people who think they can get away with taking advantage of others. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was kidding; I knew what he meant. It's another example of someone taking advantage of a limited availability item. For $12,500 I would expect at least 700+ h.p. in a small block, billet crank and rods, best of everything, etc. built by a big-name engine builder. Eventually someone is going to be ripped-off when everyone else realizes that they're paying 2 1/2 to 3 times what the engine is worth and refuses to buy them anymore at that obsene price.

Heck, there's a guy advertising in Street Rodder magazine for a 450 h.p. 383 for $3695 manifold to pan. ALL new parts including block!(Barrett Engines)

Good luck!!!!!

[This message has been edited by Camcojb (edited 06-04-2000).]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IgnitionMan:
The only two words I can think of are rip, and off, in that order.

ZZ4 engine with ZZ5 cam made 448 horses with Holley, small tube headers, on Horsepower TV. If they could do it with just a cam change, well, so can anybody, for far less than $12,500.00.

I just really despize people who think they can get away with taking advantage of others. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
who ask you?

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bigdmd:
Originally posted by IgnitionMan:
The only two words I can think of are rip, and off, in that order.

ZZ4 engine with ZZ5 cam made 448 horses with Holley, small tube headers, on Horsepower TV. If they could do it with just a cam change, well, so can anybody, for far less than $12,500.00.

I just really despize people who think they can get away with taking advantage of others. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
who ask you?

go to bed!

This isn't a for sale section, try selling that over priced engine in the appropriate area.

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68 468 700R4, and here it is;
mutert23 (http://home.earthlink.net/~mutert23/)

For those prices nobody in their right mind would use them in a driver! They will find their way into trailer queens or engine stands for display... I beleave the last one (#430) was for sale a few months back on ebay for about what this guy is asking.

JMO but too many people have too much disopsable income these days! And they will pay what ever is asked just to say "look what I have"! Being colectable used to mean something produced in limited numbers might be worth something 10 or 20 years from when it was produced.

bigdmd - Just a polite reminder there is a section for posting "for sale" items. You can link to it from the main page of this site... The idea is to keep adds out of the various forums. It makes researching information before posting questions quicker and easier.

Why do you say there are only 428 of them? Did 2 get trashed? I have a GM flyer stashed away from prior to their release for sale that said "430 limited production ZZ430's making 430hp"

Buddy - I am sure gheatly or someone in the know can provide you more exact info but I beleave a ZZ4 can be made into a ZZ430 clone by changing the heads and cam. If you think about it all you are really paying for is the valve covers on these motors. GM supports them as if folks are running them.. That is all the parts should be available over the counter except the valve covers!!!

Get the spec's and build one for around what GM sold them for to begin with.

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...Dennis
Topless'69 (http://home1.gte.net/ddunio/topless69)
rsss.fun@gte.net

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MarkM:
This isn't a for sale section, try selling that over priced engine in the appropriate area.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>maybe there people are not so rude

Lets keep it civil guys!!!

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...Dennis
Topless'69 (http://home1.gte.net/ddunio/topless69)
rsss.fun@gte.net

What's so special about the valve covers? Do they adjust the valves for you?

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67 Camaro 410sb 11.63 @117.6
67 Camaro 388 ET-???
website (http://www.geocities.com/lonnie67_1966)

God, I hope there aren't any more arrogant sellers like you hanging around here.

For $12,500.00, anyone could buy a nice 502/502 crate engine, trans and actually have something for their money.

And, by posting the engine for sale, you did, in fact, ask all of us, including me, there, high-pockets.

Try E-Bay, there's always a few rich, arrogant buyers with the cash to boast they "got a deal" on something that is way out of line on price to begin with.

Just who do you think you are trying to kid? For the prices you are asking, I'll be rude every day of the week twords you.

Gee, I hope I was civil enough to this fellow. I just don't think I could stand it if he didn't like me any more.

[This message has been edited by IgnitionMan (edited 06-04-2000).]

This kind of reminds me of what happened when the 93 Indy Pace Cars came out. Dealers were jacking up the price $5000-$10,000 over sticker just because they were limited production. Now, everybody that has one as an investment is just trying to get the original sticker back. That's a sweet motor and maybe it's needed to qualify for some special racing category, but for those prices you can get a Lingenfelter 383/500+ hp fuel injected LT1 that is much more civil for everyday driving. Just my opinion.

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Jeff H - 93 Indy 500 Pace Car, Hugger Orange 69 Z28 with JL8 brakes

May we need a new section here at Camaros.net. Say "Overpriced Items for Sale".
Actually anything is worth what you can get for it, so good luck Bigdmd. I'd rather buy a new ZZ4 and go to Hawaii for a couple weeks myself.

DjD is correct. Take a ZZ4 engine, add the "lean burn" heads and the proper cam, and voila!, you have a ZZ430. Total cost = $4,500 ($3,200 for ZZ4, $1,000 for lean burn heads, and $200 for a cam).

Bigdmd, you are selling to a tough crowd here. We are very tired of being gouged for what others think are rare and valuable parts. Low production DOES NOT equal high price.

Hey, anybody want to buy a BRAND-NEW, IN THE CRATE ZL1 427 ALUMINUM engine? I have 21 of them, second design, C exhaust port w/divider, NEW.

I bought them in the early 70's, when people didn't want them, fuel "crisis" you know. These engines couldn't hardly get given away back then. I have more of them, used, just not in the crates, as the 21 new ones are.

I ran them, highly modified, in my AA/FA.

Yup, I do know what they are4 worth on today's market.

(Sorry, I'm just being sarcastic, have the engines, but none are for sale, never will be).

[This message has been edited by IgnitionMan (edited 06-05-2000).]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lonnie67:
What's so special about the valve covers? Do they adjust the valves for you?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Each ZZ430 engine will have an exclusive three digit serial number CNC machined into unique 18° competition valve covers. The serial numbers will be 001 through 430. The valve covers, originally designed for GM sponsored NASCAR teams, are powder coated
black and then CNC machined with the GM Performance Parts and ZZ430 logos in addition to the three digit serial number."

Want to know more about the ZZ430? (http://www.paceparts.com/zz430_crate_engine.htm)

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...Dennis
Topless'69 (http://home1.gte.net/ddunio/topless69)
rsss.fun@gte.net

Ignition man: http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif I have a real rare early 60's or late 50's corvette intake. I'm sure I could get uhhhhhh lets say 12,000 bucks for em http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif hehehe So lets uhhh swap goodies, we both come out good in the long run. Heck my heads off of a 70 malibu 350/250hp should be worth ahhh lets say 5k, I'll throw those in as well.

I wonder if this guy sells at Pomona??? http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif


Rob

For 12,000 grand In American dollars that converts to about !6,000 grand Canadian, i think I could buy me a second Camaro to add to my collection, Sink that kind of money into an engine, and some body is just going to swipe it and the car right out from under your nose. Then try and convince the insurance adjuster that the mill was worth 12,000 grand.
Sorry buddy but i don't think you will find any buyers here, Try a corvette Web site those guys have more money than brains.

Check out #78 on the for sale section on this site, there is a zz430 for $7000, what a price break.

I was bored and was looking around at what I could get for 12,500
*
Blown Super Street
S/B Chevy 355 with 720 HP
Chevy 4-bolt race prep. block
4230 Crank
6" Pro-Beam Callies 4340 rods
Mega Blower 6:71 Custom Forged Pistons
C&A Dura moly / Zero Gap Rings
Fully Balanced Rotating assembly
Racing Oil pump
Custom Hekimian Roller camshaft
Roller lifters
.080" wall custom pushrods
Hekimian/AFR* Aluminum Race prep. Fully Ported heads *
Billet Aluminum Roller Rocker Arms
Fully Prep. Predator Carb 1000 CFM
MSD Ignition*
Fluidampr Balancer
Options:
8:71 Blower
Pro Aluminum Heads
400 CFM Intake
Twin Predators
for only $12,500 you too can say you own one of the custom Hekimian Racing Engines
http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif you know i think i saw a 3000hp engine for around 50,000 if any ones intrested

Nope, don't, and won't ever, go to Pomona, do vend at Long Beach, though.

ehh I got cheap corvette intake, its a small q-jet type. Bring the value down a couple hundred from the asking price http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif

Iman I meant the seller with gold plated ZZ430s not you http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif

Rob

while yuo guys are on the topic of engines i was just wondering if anyone has purchased a craet engine from The Engine Factory...i was looking at their Saturday Night Special engine for my care..i just wanbted to see if anyone had any good or bad comments about them..thanks

Hey General,

Is that all you can get for $12000 nowadays? http://www.camaros.net/forum/wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IgnitionMan:
God, I hope there aren't any more arrogant sellers like you hanging around here.

For $12,500.00, anyone could buy a nice 502/502 crate engine, trans and actually have something for their money.

And, by posting the engine for sale, you did, in fact, ask all of us, including me, there, high-pockets.

Try E-Bay, there's always a few rich, arrogant buyers with the cash to boast they "got a deal" on something that is way out of line on price to begin with.

Just who do you think you are trying to kid? For the prices you are asking, I'll be rude every day of the week twords you.

Gee, I hope I was civil enough to this fellow. I just don't think I could stand it if he didn't like me any more.

[This message has been edited by IgnitionMan (edited 06-04-2000).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>your a punk

You are an arrogant rip-off artist and a full-on jacka**. We aren't stupid here, and your two engines aren't that special.

Read what others say about your post and pricing, here, and you will find out they also feel as I do about you and your overpricing of these engines. Especially outrageous is your overpricing when there is one of these same engines for sale on this very site for $5,500 LESS money than either one of yours.

As far as being a punk, not a chance, there Rip.

You sure have a way of stirring up **** in saying it how you see it Ignitionman.I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that I just think some people have to learn how to take you as I think I have now.I do agree with you on the motor to us it is outragous but to some people think they're pretty special when they have something that nobody else would pay that kind of money for,to each his own I guess.By the way check out the trouble shooting section on the 2nd gen board I have a distributor question that you may be able to help with.

Here's my 2 cents, since everybody has put theirs in (ha!ha!). Seriusly though, Scoggin-Dickey is selling GM's new fastburn 385 crate motor for $3795 with free shipping if purchased over their web site. Besides the aluminum water pump and zz 430 valve covers all one has to do is add hot cam and 1.6 rockers and walla! you have 430hp and 430 torque. I know, I just recently bought one and had it dynoed. Horsepower tv also dynoed the same engine. Can Add carb, pulleys, and headers for way under 12 grand. I know these first 430 are special to some collectors, but not $12,000 special.

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Jay 69 SS-350

DMD says they have sold for on up to 15k, and that his is worth 12.5k, no its only worth what somebody is willing to pay for it and something tells me that he still has both of his cause as P.T. Barnum said, 'Theres a sucker born every minute', and he just hasnt found his yet. 12.5k, yow, I could go visit my local favorite machine shop, let him bend me over the boring bar, and get a whole lot more power for 12.5k and probably get a hand shake and definatly get a big smile from him as I walked out the door. JMO.......and as for ignition man, I like your attitude, calls it the way he sees it. I might of been born at night but not last night.

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67 Camaro SS Conv.
70 Challenger R/T Conv.

Actually it's "You're" not 'your'. Ignition man is a sharp cookie, so he probably knew what you meant.

Example: "You're very unlikely to sellyour motor here. Your time would be better spent advertising in the DUPONT REGISTRY."

http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif

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Shawn Peterson
1969 Z28, 406SB
http://www.geocities.com/corsican69

hey big...keep cool. most of us in this hobby dont have excess amounts of $$$$. after mortgage,electric, gas for the workmobile, etc theres very little left. most of us have learned over the years to see a good buy but also see "someone trying to make some quick $$$. if you want to make some extra $$$$ be my guest (thats what keeps this country going) but i think a few of my fellow camaro persons (non gender specific so as not to offend) have seen this before(can u say pace car? 1LE?) and are merely expressing their displeasure.

hey there/ My name's Jesse. I have built a few badass engines in the past. For under 4 grand at that. I would post it here but dont want to give out my recipe's to the world. If you want it email me at GNXtreme@hotmail.com....There's not a whole lot involved. Just alot of thinking and planning. I've already done that part though. YOu just find a good machine shop that is proud of their work. email me.........

one other thing. Run 1 5/8 headers, dual 2 1/2 or 3 inch pipes. Dynomax welded-ovals outflow any TRULY,street flowmaster. Feel free to run full exhaust to the rear, not under the car or out the sides.

Do I have a deal for you guys...."U" shaped connecting rods with special "lightweight" pistons. They didnt come from any factory this way...I custom made them myself http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif Take one high mileage, worn out 350, throw a bunch of speed parts at it, and rev the pee out of it and VIOLA...U shaped rods and lighter than stock pistons without those pesky skirts. I'll take $1500 a piece for them...but this price is good for camaro.net members only. Hurry while supplies last http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif

Oh crap, I gave away my secret http://www.camaros.net/forum/rolleyes.gif

On a more serious note, look at all the replys in this site. Very rarely do you see anybody catch any serious bashing here...it takes something pretty "special" to get these kinds of responses from people here. And let me tell you...this is pretty special...right up there with ticket scalping and gas companies.

Ignitionman, I'm with you 100%.

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375hp 78 Chevy truck
77 Chevy Nova
95 Chevy Lumina 3.4L
and building a 78 Nova

hey can i pick up a set of those rods and pistons? would they work in my 383 buildup? just wondering sounds like a sweet deal.

send me an e-mail with info. harrybalzac@mail.com

nate

where the hell is my post?? oh well im not retyping it.

nate

Well those valve covers are a 100 hp by themselves... I think I can afford the spark plugs, but I have to talk to my bank manger about a loan... Don't go selling those plugs on me now...

Plain simple it is only worth what someone is willing to pay, PERIOD. From the looks of it there aren't any takers here. He might have better luck over at IHAVELOTSOFMONEYANDNOKNOWLEDGE.COM

Royce

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70 Camaro 383ci
69 Camaro 385ci
91 Camaro RS V8 (305 TBI)
Link to my 70

http://profiles.yahoo.com/camaroman7d

Gee I don't believe I missed out on all the "gouger bashing" until the 47th post . . .

I understand supply and demand - some sucker will eventually pay what this grammatical challenged moron is asking.

We can do nothing about that . . . BUT we can verbally roast this dullard for posting his mindless drivel in the wrong section of our tech bulletin board.

Bigdmd - go away. You have not only insulted our intelligence by asking such an outrageous price, but you have personally insulted some of the brightest technical people I know.

ps. I built my 450HP 460 ft/lb 383 for less than half of your ZZwhatever-the-hell.

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68 Camaro, 383 small block with TH350 trans. 12.2's and never trailered.

I think you guys are beating a dead pony!! This sat from June 2000 until this week without a reply!!! http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif

I was just going to post the same as Dennis - this topic was dug out of the coal bin.

The original poster had 'email notification' turned on but that address is no longer valid so I've been getting all the return bounced mail - which I why I came sniffing around. http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif

this post gave me a good laugh the first time I saw it... it still does.

12k, i'll save my pennies and get a Bill Mitchel &lt;sp&gt; 540ci (650+hp).
but thanks just the same. http://www.camaros.net/forum/rolleyes.gif

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My '68 Camaro (http://hometown.aol.com/Dougs68Camaro/index.html)
Doug G.
68 Camaro
406 ci.
13.5@102 W/ 2.73POSI.

that was hillarius http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif

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chris
1980 Z/28
350 .60 over stock bottom end world products torker2s 280H compcam edel.performer rpm,holly 750 dual feed.
2200 stall,- but still not done.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Al:
The original poster had 'email notification' turned on but that address is no longer valid so I've been getting all the return bounced mail - which I why I came sniffing around. http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is just generating work for Al! Let's put it to bed...