I was out on a walk tonight with my wife and kids and came across this home for sale a few streets from me. I have lived here in Fremont all my life (in fact my great grandfather came here right here from the Azores Islands off the coast of Portugal in 1885) and I am blown away by what has happened to property prices. This home is a few streets away from mine and just a house, no big deal. When I graduated from high school in 1977 this place would have sold for around $28,000 I think. This city is at the south end of the San Francisco bay right above San Jose and the “Silicon Valley”. To the north about 30 miles is San Francisco. All the cities run together with Fremont having 210,000 people. When I was a kid most of the city (it was incorporated in 1958, the year I was born from five “district”) was farming. Those fields are now covered with homes or LARGE buildings housing computer related businesses.

It is just amazing what has happened around here. ANY two bedroom one bath home like mine would sell for a MINIMUM of $325,000 with ANY three bedroom two bath well over $400,000, probably closer to $500,000 STARTING price. I have seen three bedroom homes in the “right neighborhood” going for $850,000!!!

I am just curious, what is kind of property prices do you guys see in your areas? Not that I plan to move or anything like that. I just think it would be interesting to see.

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1965 Buick Skylark H/T
1948 Chevy pickup, chopped and sectioned.

"Fan of most anything that moves human beings"

a 3 bedroom/2 bath home with a 2 car garage on a huge 4,500 sq ft lot here will run you no less than $400K, the home you have pictured has a larger lot and something like the house above on that size lot would bring in 500K and up here
The house were in now was sold new in 1963 for 28K and now has a taxable value of $373K. Best part is its paid for. With my mother in law being retired ,on a fixed income and her being the orginal owner, we paid off her mortgage 4 years ago and she signed it over to my wife.

butr then if you go to the Diamond head area you can get a home for less than @.5 Million and that same house would be about 600-750K on the mainland.

Since were talking prices here Whats everyone basic water rate prices. california City Ca basic water usagge fee is $103 per 4000 CF of water. they just recently tripled the amount and will be doubleing the sewer rates in jan of 03


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65 442
http://hobbystage.net/camaro/hawaiiancamaro/index.html
http://www.hawaiianislandcamaros.org

Property prices here are real cheap. I live in the middle of the desert in a ghost town.

My house & business are for sale. The business can be bought as such (towing for State Patrol & Sheriffs, & auto-repair)$140,000. 1995 40x50 ABC Steel building & 3 lots alone, $50,000. 1989 House & 80x100 fenced lot, $35,000.

Get out of all the rat races, and live in a Historic mining town in Nevada.



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Martinsr, I was born and raised in San Francisco's Glen Park district. My parents bought their first house there in 1950 for 7K!! Houses now for sale there across the street are asking 1.2 million . Unbelievable! I bought my first house in Pacifica, (20 miles south of SF on the coast) in 1983 for 100K (3bed 1bath) it is now worth over 500K. (I added 400sq ft on to it) Real estate is the best investment you can make, It appreciates in walue and you can get use out of it. (not like stocks or mutual funds) My wife and I will be looking for a weekender towards the Yosemite area after our sons finish (twins) playing High School baseball or beyond? California real estate is a supply and demand thing...everyone wants to live here, thus the high prices.... my .02 http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif Mike

I just bought a 1200sq ft house not too long ago. 3 Bedrooms 1 and a half baths with a two car garage on 1 acre for $114,000. The previous owner got another job out of state and had to sell fast so I was able to get the price down. The day after I signed the contract another guy offered me $10,000 to let him buy the house for my price. I don't know how a working class person can afford to live in some areas. Unreal.

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COMING SOON Corvette tripower, small body HEI, and maybe "842" aluminum heads

western washington / seattle area is going nuts right now, and for the last few years. property around her really depends on its immediate location, i.e. veiw of the water, a river, one of the islands, etc. my three bedroom rambler has recently been appraised at about 50K more than i paid 5 years ago. pretty much a basic 3 bed, decent lot, like a 1/2 acre, around here, (20 mins from seattle) is going for around 200K, +/-, of course depending on all the variables we have around here. in seattle proper its easily double that. i wish my house was sitting on the lot next to the house you posted, so i could sell it and move back here, and build a bitchin' new garage http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif

That house would go for somewhere around $120k-$160 here in Western Michigan. Depends on the location - prime neighborhood and it would go for $160, in the middle of nowhere I suppose it would go for closer to $120. I suppose it depends on what the inside is like too.

Prices are coming up here too though. Our house near Grand Rapids, MI has increased in value by 30% during the 6 years we have owned it.

I don't know how anyone can afford to own a house in California with those prices. Only a CEO or executive can afford a $560,000 house IMO. Where do all the blue collar folks live at in CA?

Around here, that house would go for around $50K - 60K.

I paid $184K for my house here in 1997. We have a wooded 2 acre lot, high ceiling 2 car garage, 5 bedrooms, 3 full baths, 2 living rooms (1 upstairs, 1 downstairs), pool room, dining room, large family room (use for my office), 2 stair cases. Long concrete driveway, circle and lots of pad space. Our house is a sleeper, can't be seen too well from the road, doesn't look as large as it is from the front (most people are amazed at how big it is once they get the tour).

Augusta is the 2nd largest city in Georgia, with enough things going on to keep you busy. The city is beautiful a few weeks a year (when they hold the Master). My older son loves it here and wants to stay the rest of his life (I really doubt that he will), my younger son prefers larger cities.

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Camaro - '68 327 Coupe (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/68camaro.htm), '86 Z-28 IROC 305 TPI (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/86iroc.htm), '89 IROC-Z 5.7 TPI (B2L) (http://www.makoshark2.com/djunod/images/img_1141.jpg)
Corvette - '73 Mako Shark II (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/), '82 Cross-fire (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/82vette.htm), '01 Coupe (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/01vette.htm)

BTW---My younger son had a bid on a row house in Pittsburgh PA for $15K this summer. The offer was accepted (but the deal ended up falling through due to title issues). The house was nice move in quality, the neighborhood was fine.

Here's (http://www2.county.allegheny.pa.us/RealEstate/General.asp?CurrBloLot=0056G00142000000&Street=orinoco) the link to tax information on the house.

Here's (http://www2.county.allegheny.pa.us/RealEstate/General.asp?Street=roll&CurrBloLot=0033K00072000000) the one that I wanted him to get. It was a stand-alone brick, 3 stories, built in 1911, still had all the original very ornate wood trim (inside & outside), beautiful staircases, corner lot with pad where a small single car garage had been. It needed roof repair around the chimney, and a couple of windows replaced. I will probably kick myself for a long time for not buying it myself.

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Camaro - '68 327 Coupe (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/68camaro.htm), '86 Z-28 IROC 305 TPI (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/86iroc.htm), '89 IROC-Z 5.7 TPI (B2L) (http://www.makoshark2.com/djunod/images/img_1141.jpg)
Corvette - '73 Mako Shark II (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/), '82 Cross-fire (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/82vette.htm), '01 Coupe (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/01vette.htm)


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They would be lucky to get 60-70k around here for that house. There is a newly constructed 5000sq. ft. house on 5 acres down the road that they have been trying to sell in the 500,000 range for 2 years now, it’s still for sale. Most of the houses being built in my area are 2000 to 3000sq. ft., on 3 to 5 acres, and are going for around 190k to 300k.

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$480K right next door...2400 sq ft

It is out of control...

The old saying is true in real estate the three most important things are location, location and location.

We bought our 2000 sq ft 4 bed 2 bath on 1/2 acre for 110000 last year. We got a little bit of a deal b/c they were relocating and needed to sell, it appraised for 116000. The same house in a different city may have easily been 50k-up more. We are in a smaller town that is a really noce community, but not really one of the hot
spots.

I am a mortgage underwriter and part of what I do is review real estate appraisals. Some of the stuff that comes across my desk amazes me a little. For the areas I do loans in, the Atlanta, GA market seems to offer the most for the money. But you also have to consider the whole economy of the area has an impact. For example, what is the cost of living, what is the average salary? In silicon valley, I imagine they are both pretty high and the demand for housing is high due to an assumed limited amount of land available for development.

Around here that house would be probably anywhere from 60-90k depending on the neighborhood.

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'68 Camaro base coupe
'92 Caprice Wagon
'99 Venture Van
my 68 camaro (http://mypeoplepc.com/members/thecopseys/68camaro)

We bought our house here 2 years ago. It is similar in size but ours was built in the 70's. We have 3 bedrooms, two full baths, two car attatched garage and about 3,500 sq. ft. for our back yard and I think we got a deal when we bought it for 96,000. Most of the houses in our are are similar and go for 120,000 to 135,000. We remodled our kitchen so we hope when we sell it will be worth at least 120,000. We live in one of the "nicer" neighborhoods (which isn't saying much). There are much nicer houses in this town but a house like the one you have shown would probably be around 120,000

Bought our house in 98'for 178k (3 bed 2 bath on 1/3 acre). A Realtor told me it would sell today for 350-400k easily. It's just insane where the property values have gone out here.

I read an article recently that housing in this area will be increasing another 30k across the board within a year.

Eventually my house will be a Featherlite or Prevost (Bus) towing the camaro around the
country.

You know... down here in Southern California we're quite use to higher than National Average Home prices. That one house in the ad could sell in my town (depending on location) for $300,000 to $700,000.

One thing to keep in mind is that the market here could fall (and I think it will) soon. Back in 1990 through 1992 I bought three apartment buildings that were in foreclosure. The values on those have easily doubled... and with only 10% down on them... the net return is quite high.

Anyway... because of those prices... I see prices of 1st Gen Camaros as quite a bargin. Now if my house was only valued at $100,000 I don't think I would spend $25,000 on hobby car... but when your house is worth $500,000... a $25,000 toy doesn't seen so expensive. Hum....

Yeah, around here, you might get 100,000 for it if it had a garage. 500,000 is insane, but people where you live probably make 3X the amount I do in the same line of work.

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I am glad this topic was brought up. I have SERIOUSLY been thinking of getting out of California (it's just too damn expensive and crowded). I have been to several other states (Nevada, Oregon, Washington, Maryland, Ohio, Texas, PA etc..) and none of them are anywhere near as expensive as California. The only thing that keeps me here is the weather, it was 70* yesterday and the skies are blue agian today and should reach 70* with no problem. I can drive my Camaro and ride my Harley pretty much year round.

I paid $156K for my house 9 1/2 years ago (I am located mid-way between San Francisco and Sacramento) My house is a 3bd 2bth in a nice neighborhood, with agood sized lot (by Ca standards) I coulod sell it today for about $260 -270K. This same house in Texas would be about $45K I would guess, from what I saw when I was there.

My question is where would I move? The problem is once you leave California it will be REAL hard to return (A freind of mine is going through that right now, he moved to Idaho and is now trying to come back).

How about a survey of what the weather is like right now where you live? Anyone in North Carolina? I have been thinking about heading there.

Royce

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Camaroman7D,
The prices of houses may be lower... but the weather. It's all about the weather!

I can duck when I hear a stray bullet, I can out run someone who is trying to jack me... I can even not vote for the very liberal city politicians... but the weather... it's all about the weather http://www.camaros.net/forum/wink.gif

I LOVE LA!

Royvce,
I can speak from experience that Tucson or Scottsdale AZ have pretty warm weather year round, and the short time I lived in Tucson was pretty nice. Scottsdale is a magnet for retirees from what I've heard.....

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'68 Camaro base coupe
'92 Caprice Wagon
'99 Venture Van
my 68 camaro (http://mypeoplepc.com/members/thecopseys/68camaro)

In the Kansas City metro area I'd say probably less than, but no more than $100,000 and it'd have to have a garage.

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3BR, 2Bths, 1550 sqft, 20 yrs old, maybe 100K-120K or so in a nice area. We have an upsacle gated community nearby that has homes in the 4500 sqft size that go for 500K and up range. Those homes are VERY nice. My Dad lives in Marin which is just across the bridge from San Francisco and it is STAGGERING what they can get for a home there. Nice view though. It is all about location.

I attended a seminar on real estate values and the economy yesterday. The housing speakers were generalizing that home prices will probably level off a bit going foreward with selected areas that might not follow the trend.

-Mark.

I work on Capitol Hill in the nations capital.This lady own a house here seven kids in a roll house.She and husband died 15 years ago kids move out.Son said they paid 7k mom and dad sold it 15y for 28k.The same house is for sell and sold for 850k.The house on the hills have to be gutted because of old wiring and flooring after and before you move in.The people dont mind and do it.They will spend 250k to redo the house.Most of them are classified historical.Only changes to the inside are permitted.A house on Capital Hill stays on the market less than 30 days.Incredable!These house are 3 and 4 levels two kictens 4 baths no yard and may have 10 to 15 rooms.(Row Houses).

Do the homes in California have basements? Around here every house has a full basement.

If I had a house that I bought years ago and could sell for that much profit I would take the money and move. You could live the good life with no mortgage and enough spare cash to visit the old neighborhood if you want.

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COMING SOON Corvette tripower, small body HEI, and maybe "842" aluminum heads

As a real estate broker for 20 years, most of you guys have already found out what happens with supply and demand and location.
In our vacation area around lakes, just a lot on the best lake is over $300,000 if you can find one. Or tear down an existing home that is 30 years old that you pay $500,000 for and start over, similar to the Hollywood types that tear down mansions and rebuild new ones.
In a city here, 3br 2bath dbl garage and full basement homes, NEW are $170,000.
Twin homes 2 bed, 2 bath, dbl garage and full bsmt. are $150,000 @10 years old.
With names like Kristi Yamaguchi, Cecil B DeMille, Peter Graves and many others having vacation homes on the lakes here, that adds to the mystique of our area. Location, location,location are prominent needs to capture top price.
Real estate has always gone UP in our market in the last 20 years,but other small towns have had decreases in value too.
I follow the Calif. real estate trends in a trade publication and there too they have had downsides back in the 80's. It cycles more with huge job losses, military and silicone valley problems etc.
The midwest will see rising values in the years to come, some areas more than others, but all should see increases in value, but not like in certain areas in Calif. and NW area around Seattle and Portland. Watch out fo the tree huggers that want to limit the size of a city too. That will drive up prices and force people to other towns where the demand will shake up the zoning offices and just move headaches around.
I have a cousin near LA and her place has tripled in value in 8 years now.
If you have the coins, go buy land near a nice growing town and sit on it. I did and thats the only way I could afford my camaro with 2 kids, 1 in college. yikes.
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Dover White,Blue Vinyl top, F&R spoilers,pdb, close ratio ps,am/fm,3.08 Posi., A/C, fold down rear seat
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Most homes here in California do not have basements, only some of the real old homes. Honestly the homes I see elsewhere are built nicer, I really like the brick homes. Just can't have one here do to earthquakes (bricks are not very flexible). If I could find the right place, I would move in a heart beat, but it has to be RIGHT. That is too big of a risk when you have a family (kids in school etc..). The deciding factors would be weather and a decent job (diversity is also important). Me and a buddy of mine have been thinking about flying to a different area every month until we find some place we both like, at that point we would come back and get the wives and see what they say. So I would like to hear suggestions/opinions as well. I can tell you right now anywhere snow shoveling occurs is out of the question. I can deal with a little snow, but would like decent weather at least 9 months a year (is California the only place like that?)

Royce

Beautiful weather today (no clouds and 65F) and most of the "winter". We've been out on the boat in January with temps of 70F. We did get a snow storm last year of around 6 inches that stayed for a couple of days---that was fun http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif


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Camaro - '68 327 Coupe (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/68camaro.htm), '86 Z-28 IROC 305 TPI (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/86iroc.htm), '89 IROC-Z 5.7 TPI (B2L) (http://www.makoshark2.com/djunod/images/img_1141.jpg)
Corvette - '73 Mako Shark II (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/), '82 Cross-fire (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/82vette.htm), '01 Coupe (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/01vette.htm)

Lets see, Im on a island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, plenty of sandy beaches, grass skirts and tanned bikini's year round did i leave anything out!!!!

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65 442
http://hobbystage.net/camaro/hawaiiancamaro/index.html
http://www.hawaiianislandcamaros.org

LOL, Jeff that sounds nice, but I would die from Island Fever. I am a main land kind of guy.

Royce

What's your idea of 'decent weather'? Mine is warm (90+) and sunny (300+ days a year), which we get plenty of here in Phoenix. Currently we're running 75 to 80 with full sun.

During the summertime when it's 110+ you just stay inside during the afternoons. One of the other nice things is NO HUMIDITY for 10 to 11 months of the year. I started stripping the paint off of my '69 back in July/August and now have almost all of the front sheetmetal down to bare metal (weekends project). It's all sitting in my garage still bare with no primer or anything, and it hasn't started rusting yet! I've got some previous rust spots and a couple of dents that need to be repaired so I don't plan on putting any primer on till that's been taken care of. Definitely not like when I lived in Houston!!

Another plus here is we can drive an hour or so in any direction and be in a completely different climate (Carefree, Tucson, Flagstaff, Prescott, etc). And LA and San Diego are not that far away either.

I don't think I could live anywhere else.

John

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dark green met (57) w/dark green standard interior - doesn't have 302 in it anymore

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69 Camaro wiring diagrams at http://cards.webshots.com/cp-27764341-dySU-album/50477528WnwIuY

My idea of nice weather: No earthquakes, no mud slides, no forest fires, no hurricanes, no drive by shootings (that's a Detroit thing here in MI), no illegal immigration problems, and 4 different seasons for variety.

Although I have to admit the cold and snow gets very old about the February-March time frame.

John my idea of nice weather is exactly like yours. I live in a VERY hot area in California 110 is not uncommon during the summer. It actually was 77* today. What is the cost of living like down there? Are there any jobs (high tech, electronics, computers, electro-mechanical)?

Eric, I know some people love their 4 seasons. I am just used to, two seasons 9 months or spring/summer and 3 months of off and on rain. I have been in the cold/snowy climates and I would not be able to take it. I think it has a lot to do with where you grow up. You might not like it here either. Honestly, How many months a year is the weather nice there (65 or above, dry)? I am curious, maybe I have a misconception.

Also could not deal with Oregon or Washington, way too much rain (I know I know, but "everything is so green"), including the mold under your car tires as it sits in the garage.

As you guys can tell this is something that really interests me.

Royce

The cold and snow don't bother me a bit. Thirty below zero once in while during the cold season helps to keep the riff-raff out and kills off most of the nasty stuff. We don't have termites in WI. Sun and 70 gets boring after while, too. Also, here in WI we have lots of water (can't say that about AZ and CA!).

Clovis CA (Fresno) 14,000 S.F. lot, 2500 S.F. house $300K. We get all 4 seasons, not too cold but plenty hot. Watch what happens to house prices when the stockmmarket takes off again. I wonder, will Camaro (67-69) drop when the market takes off?
Gary

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Jeff69LM1, I don't know about Arizona, but there is plenty of water here in CA, I don't live in southern CA, that's what you must be talking about ("no water"). By the way CA is on the coast (Pacific) I don't know how much more water you want than that, LOL. I wasn't knocking any other states, I was just trying to see the differences and options. To each their own, I personally have NO desire to live in a freezing climate. If we all felt that way we would all live in the same place and that would get a little crowded.

Royce

I have no clue what they cost but my son had a football game at a school in the hills of Orinda. On the way there I almost pulled into 2 driveways I thought they were a Highschool not someones house. Serious money lives there.

Royce,

Late May, June, July, August and early September are summer temps, 60's - low 90's typically. During the summer months on average 2 of 3 days are sunny, 1 of 3 rainy.

Spring starts in late March and goes into May. temps are cooler but there are still a lot of nice outdoor weather days in the spring.

Fall is late September through November with some of the nicest cool weather of the year. the treees change and although it freezes at night it often warms up into the high 50's / low 60's during the day. Great race weather and my favorite time of year.

Winter and snow usually starts flying after Thanksgiving, we get a lot of lake effect here in Western MI until lake Michigan freezes over. Snow is usually heaviest in early winter with less snow and more cold in January and February. Highs in the 20s are not at all uncommon in Jan & Feb - lows near or below zero happen from time to time.

That's my little lecture about Michigan weather . . .

ps. I did live in San Diego for about a year - nice place to live, but frankly the weather is boring and you start to take those 70 degree sunny days for granted. IMO

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i live in san bruno. zuma, im sure you have seen those houses being built at pacific heights near the college. they are just about across the street from me. one sold for 900,000. no back yard becuase they are built off a step enbankment. hoefully they hold up during the next earthquake

Angelglo, I see them almost every weekend, Big! My sons are playing ball at Skyline College for the fall. Someone is doing a nice job on that old house that was empty forever on the corner. After they are done...Big bucks for that house...Mike. BTW what kind of Camaro do you have? maybe I've seen it... http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif

i agree with you. that is a very nice house. he also had cut all the trees that were behind his house also. my back yard window face the front of those new homes so i watched them being built. i have a fathom green 69 rs vert/68 vert and i just got rid of my z28's/

I live in Camden Arkansas. Moved here almost 3 years ago from San Diego Ca. I love it here. The weather in the summer gets to around 105 with heat index. When it gets that hot you jump in the river or a lake and have a little fun in the water. The winters have not been that great but not realy bad. Coming from where I did it takes some getting used to the cold, some low 20's for a few weeks on and off. We got snow for a day last year and for about a week the year before. I work for Raytheon, they brought me out here. No gangs, no shootings, no TRAFFIC, no one complaining about your car or music.

Home prices are between $35,000 for somthing old in the country. $20,000 in a not so good area and over a million, yes a mil. We have about 10 houses around here that are very nice. The town is 14,000 people. Lots of hightech industry, but mostly filled by area people and maily assembly work. I am in managment so I make a good living here. I would have to be making $150,000 per year to live in Ca. like I do here.

Angelglo, sounds like nice cams. I have a 69 nicely equiped X11 coupe thats in the body shop for a color change. Was frost green, will be fathom green with dover ralleys. Home prices in the Bay Area, even in this down ecomomy are still going through the roof..(no pun intended)...Mike

Hey Royce, I live in NC. I can tell you the prices on homes are much more reasonable around here. I'm most likely am not the best person to ask about crowded because I am a native NC person and it's getting too crowded around Charlotte to suit me. We are thinking of moving into SC to get out a little further from the city. You can get a nice home, let's say 2000 Sq Ft on a decent lot for around 175K and it's cheeper if you go into other areas that around Charlotte. Charlotte and Raleigh is the most expensive areas. Also the job market is pretty good. Especially if you are in Banking or IT. I work for a bank in their IT area and have been in IT for the last 13 years or so and have never been jobless for longer than a couple of weeks. The climate is good, we only have about 8 weeks of cold weather, the rest of the time is varies from VERY nice in the spring and fall (Highs in the 70's and lows in the 50's) to hot and humid in the summer. It's a good spot to relocate to and tons of folks are moving here. Good luck and if I can help you with any more info let me know.

Eric & Rottie,
Thanks for the information, that's exactly what I wanted to hear. Sounds like N.C. wouldn't be too bad. Maybe I will fly out there in the next couple of months and take a look around. I bet Michigan is nice too, I am too much of a sun lover to hang there.

Royce