I'm thinking of going to a Painless 18 circut upgrade but the kit I see is for 69-74 GM muscle cars? Is this the right kit and does it install easily, I mean is it a direct replacement without having to cut here splice alittle etc? Does it replace all of the old wiring, from the head lights to the tail lights?
Thanks,
Mike

Hello Mike, I installed a 18 cir. Painless wireing kit in my 68 and to tell you the truth it's not so painless. The fuseblock and harness is made with grreat quality know doubt and yes the harness includes everything you could possibly have on a car. But what i didnt like about it is none of the wires terminate.You have to use all of your stock light sockets ect. and splice them in yourself. The only place that painless terminates the harness for you is under the dash at the speedo,ignt.,blower housing ect.. The upside is that if your not staying stock you have a wire for elect. fan,fuelpump and all them other little goodies.If you are staying stock i would try one of the other companys out there who sell complete harnesses that are already terminated for you.It would keep you from haveing to make all those splices yourself.Hope this helps in your decision,if you have any other ?'s just holler. :D

I bought the M&H wiring harness because of the above reason. The M&H harness plugs right in and is EXACTLY like the factory with no splicing involved like with the Painfull harness.

Here's a link to their website: www.wiringharness.com (http://www.wiringharness.com)

Splicing is no problem other than time consumming, I like the idea of 18 circuts and modern blade fuses. How are the M&H harness's? Another thing I should have said is I also went to a internal reugulated 130 amp alternator. So I have modified the charging wires some what. My old harnes has been so cut up and spliced half way to hell, I thought it would be nice to have circuts for the amp, electric fan, and any other accs. If you look under the dash from the previous owners you want to cry. And as far as stock no I went the pro tourer route so all thats stock is the interior and body. (nothing was cut so it could be restored)
Thanks,
Mike

In that case Mike if you don't mind the spliceing then you will probably like the painless harness. They have good tech support and i have to say i'm pretty happy with my finished product.AS far as the previous ? the kits go from 67 to 68 and from 69 to 74. I ordered mine from summit it was cheaper than ordering directly from painless go figure. graemlins/beers.gif

Oh yeah Mike they include a heavier gauge alt. wire for those hire amp alternators. :D

I just installed the 69-74 muscle harness in my 69 camaro. It was a breeze, before you get started, lay the new harness out next to the car on the drivers side. 3 sections, headlight/engine, dash and tail section. I converted to an internally regulated alternator, so I needed the exciter wire to run over to the alternator, not the voltage reg. Laying it out next to the car makes changes much easier. Read the instructions several times and get familiar with how the circuits are run. You will have more circuits than you need and will be happy with the end result. You will need to save a few of your old connectors(the one for the idoit lights, hi beam indicator, turnsignal indicator). Oh yea...dont forget - grounds -

Bob

I just finished the install in my 68. In my opinion the Painless kit is the best option if you're modifying the car. I added EFI, a T56, relocated the battery, aftermarket guages, and relays for headlights/fuel pump/fan. With the original factory wiring harnesses this would have been a complete nightmare. With the Painless kit it was very straight forward. It comes with circuits for nearly everything you could imagine. I replaced all of my old light sockets. If you are not comfortable with basic wiring, and you're simply replacing a stock bad wiring harness go with another option.

Great thats what I needed to hear. I pulled my factory gauges out and put in the Autometer setup. My tach has been rewired twice and thats when I found all the nightmare under the dash. Instead of trying to make the olde setup work I bought a tach harness from Ricks, but I decided I want to clean it all up this winter by replacing everything. I plan on getting mine from Summit too. I just used the Painless sight to get a idea of what I needed.
Thanks alot!!!,
Mike

Stenn5,

I am in the process as well. Kyle Tucker from DSE will have a wiring harness out by first of Feb. It is a 18 circuit harness that will have the ends terminated for lights etc. I'm waiting on his, since I'm going the pro-touring route also. If Kyle and Stacy do it, I know it will be done right.