Last night I saw the episode of Bluebear getting canned for his shenangans. Sad story, but, he got what he deserved. My wife was watching too, and she was even more happy than I was. Bluebear never did get the message that Boyd was trying to teach him. Young kid learning, should have kept his mind open instead of being hard headed. I agree with Boyd, being safe building the car with a boxed frame. Mikes crew took up another project (model A truck) that seemed to me going the same direction Bluebear headed. Mike didn't want to box that frame either. Wow, boxing a frame in my opinion would make it ride so much better, but I just don't get why they insist on taking Boyds advice. I did see Beetle Bailey still on the show. Maybe this episode was before he left Coddington garage.

Scot

When that show first came out I thought it was kinda lame. I've enjoyed some of the episodes since, especially the build up of the '56.

I'm going to try and show the episode with Bluebear's dismissal to my kids as an object lesson. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. I'm assuming there is information and history we don't know, but it really does seem like a horribly wasted opportunity.

BTW - I think Mike was kidding about not boxing the frame.

The project went to Bluebears head and he just did not know how to deal with it. Boyd was of no help as all he did was "tell" Bluebear what to do and not explaining the reason behind it. Even though this was a repeat, I did notice Charley was in the first of the segments and not in this one. Beetle followed Charley shortly after Charley departed. Boyd was right IMHO, but he should have sat down with Bluebear to work it out. Oh well, this is just another lesson in life. Hurray for the other guys on the 28 truck. What teamwork.

I caught part of the show last night but did not see it all. So, did Bluebear get axed at the very beginning of the episode?
Did Mike finish the Model A truck? It was only a 1 hour episode and ended without them finishing the truck in time for the Kentucky show.

Mike didn't want to box that frame either.Scott...I think Mike was just making a joke when he said that.

As far as Boyd not spelling out why he wanted the frame boxed...I disagree. How do you explain the obvious to a cement head who won't listen. The chassis was designed to take 65 to 75 horsepower. It was not designed to have a flat-head in it, therefore, the frame needs to be boxed. Nuff said. It doesn't need to be explained any further.

He's a dumb kid. Blew the oppurtunity of a lifetime. Not just the car but the experience of working for Boyd's Hot Rods. I think he threw his weight around on that project because his Dad used to work for Boyd Coddington and is a friend of his and he thought he could get away with it.

By the way...Beetle Bailey and Charley are now working for Chip Foose.

Blue Bear now works for Jimmy White at 'Circle City Hot Rods'.

I also think Bluebear is a deadbeat but we are missing one point. Bluebear owns the car! If you caught any of the earlier episodes, there is a part where Boyd asks what Bluebear is going to do with that old coupe in his shed. They then agree that Boyd will buy the parts for the project.
As much as I dislike Bluebear, I think Boyd is way out of line to call all the shots, when they agreed otherwise. And then not let him not take his car after he fires him!
No wonder Boyd talks like his sinuses are plugged. He may have tried to pull a deal like this before, and someone busted him in the chops.

Boyd was an arrogant ass IMO, he was right about the frame, but none-the-less still an arrogant ass. I think his fame and fortune have gone to his head.

The mark of a true leader is being able to let your subordinates look and and feel good about the job they're doing while getting them to do exactly what you want. Bluebear made some dumb decisions, but I bet he would have responded differently to better leadership. Boyd failed as a leader.

BTW -- should I spoil it Scott and post what happened in the final episode of that series? LOL

Yelo69 - You didn't mention that Boyd was paying for all the labor for his employees to build the 2 cars as well as the time for the competition along with having stored the car for the guy. Boyd wasn't asking much in turn for all he was giving. We only know what they showed us and to take gearheads and expect them to be actors, well each argument probably took many takes with them busting up inbetween... Basically if the final product represented you and was a credit or ding to your rep you might want some say.

Oh and I should point out Boyd sent the guy in with the lopsided mustache first I believe and Bluebear blew him off first...

Oh the drama!
Who wants to bet He'll be back...

Originally posted by Infamous:
As far as Boyd not spelling out why he wanted the frame boxed...I disagree. How do you explain the obvious to a cement head who won't listen. The chassis was designed to take 65 to 75 horsepower. It was not designed to have a flat-head in it, therefore, the frame needs to be boxed. Nuff said. It doesn't need to be explained any further.

He's a dumb kid. Blew the oppurtunity of a lifetime. Not just the car but the experience of working for Boyd's Hot Rods. I think he threw his weight around on that project because his Dad used to work for Boyd Coddington and is a friend of his and he thought he could get away with it.

By the way...Beetle Bailey and Charley are now working for Chip Foose.

Blue Bear now works for Jimmy White at 'Circle City Hot Rods'. [/QB]I agree. That's how I felt about it. Safety is first as Boyd was trying to point out. Boxing in the frame rail was a small price to pay for what he could've had.


I didn't know Charley left. They must have been pushing him too hard. graemlins/sad.gif

I agree with Dennis and Erik. The program is produced for TV so they want to add a little "drama". Boyd's a Jerk. Always was - always will be. Just my opinion.

Just in case anyone is interested, here are some comments on the subject by Jimmy Smith from a website called jalopyjournal.com..........

O.k I have seen people harping on Blue Bear for the last few weeks and biting my tongue. It is know time to set the record straight and give some background on the infamous Blue Bear. What some people dont know about Blue Bear was he was showing up at Boyds shop when he was still in High school, wanting to learn how to build "hot rods" we all gave him the "get the [censored] out of here kid". He kept showing up, his persistence paid off. Eventually I taught Blue Bear how to Tig weld, fit tubes, make templates, basic fabrication skills. He graduated from high school and started working full time, the kid was actually doing it! Eventually like Blue Bear, Boyd and myself had a difference of opinions I ended up quitting and starting my own shop (circle city hot rods). Blue Bear kept at it and developed a taste for simpler more traditional style cars. (he said my coupe was a big influence). Blue Bear had a car that he bought (the model a) with his own money, and he scavenged and saved for the rest of his parts. Boyd comes along and decides to do the rat rod build-off. And this is were the problems start coming in. Blue Bear has his vision of how he wants to build his car, He has been researching reading the old mags, and paying attention to traditional cars. I dont know about you guys, but when I envision a project that I have been thinking about for years I stick to my vision. Blue Bear didnt want to change his vision, I for one think that is cool. Another thing that you guys dont see is the behind the scenes stuff, You just see the drama that the Discovery guys show you. I am not trying to brag, but I have been building hot rods for a pretty long time now, and I know the difference between an unsafe ****box and a decently built car. Blue Bears car was a pretty nice car. It was probably built better then most of the people that are talking [censored] on him on this board could build. I also suspect that you guys dont know of all the hours that he put in working for Boyd, not getting a cent of overtime. Or how he was sick of building plastic kit cars. Or how American Hot Rod portrayed him as being the village idiot. Yes, Blue Bear works for me now, I wouldnt hire someone that couldnt do the job or that built unsafe cars. The people that know me on this board know the kind of cars we build, and the quality I expect. I am really pleased with the fact that Blue Bear and I have come full circle, he is now able to build the style of cars he likes, in a better atmosphere. I personally invite any of you to come to my shop anytime to see the real Blue Bear. Sorry about the rant, but I felt I had to set the record straight.

Jimmy White

P.s. Dont think Blue Bear has some kind of dirt on me, and I have to stick up for him, he is a good kid that just wants to build real hot rods.

As much of a jerkoff that BB is, he just didn't belong with Crotchington and his misfit crew. BB belongs where he can have more freedom and be around the types of cars he likes to build. Hopefully he'll have that where he is now. He just didn't 'fit' at Crotchingtons.
I seriously doubt he'll be back. If I was him, I'd never look back.

As far as the painter Charlie (and Beetle) working for Chip Foose now, I think that'll be a great combination! But I don't think they'll have any more free time\time off because of the move. They'll probably be working just as much as they were when they were with Crotchington. Which isn't really a bad thing, except for their families. It must be a super tough gig being at that level in the business.

Originally posted by HwyStarJoe:
Crotchington and his misfit crew. LOL

I think the show was so lame and Boyd is such an ahole the producers got the idea to "create" tension to keep the meager number of viewers watching the car soap opera. It's so lame I can hardly watch it. It has had some neat scenes with the old guy doing fab and leadwork but I think Boyd is a turd.

It's a soap opera with cars!

I'm curious what members think. After watching what goes on at Boyds shop, would you ever let them work on your stuff ? They try installing a Socal brake kit and spend hours bitching about no instructions and keep putting it together wrong. They even start grinding on stuff to make it fit. Then they figure out they are putting the parts on the wrong sides..... Did they ever consider CALLING SOCAL to fax instructions ? Boyd might be making good money off the TV show but I can't help but think showing how his shop works is hurting his business.

Originally posted by clill:
I'm curious what members think...Lets just say the show does not compel me to buy any of their products.

Rod

im glad i watch the show. now i know i wont waste my money on their stuff.

angel

I agree totally with Charlie. After watching a couple of episodes of the show I was thinking that it couldn't possibly be good for business. I think that all involved have talent but it just seemed like the show pointed out the down side of everything. And maybe it's just me but I'm growing tired of the cookie cutter format of just about every one of these "build" type shows, from American Hot Rod to Overhaulin' to American Chopper, where it's like "We're down to the last 10 minutes and we still have to...."

Originally posted by clill:
I'm curious what members think. Well, I've seen them do some pretty strange things that even a novice would think twice about doing, but when they had that brake kit out all over the floor and were fumbling around like a 2 year old with Legos, then started grinding on them, I couldn't believe it! Or when they take a perfectly milled piece and jam a die-grinder or cut-off wheel against it to make it fit..... :eek:

Granted, a lot of what they build is custom and the rest comes out of a box. You have to make things fit. I'm guessing here that a majority of their viewers have no clue about what it takes to build cars like Coddfishes, so things like that don't stand out to them. The film crew and location producer probably have no clue either, otherwise they'd NEVER show something like that on TV.
It's too bad too because it's things like that brake kit install that will make people shy away from trying one on their own car.

I watch their welding very closely. Especially when they're putting together a chassis. Brackets, crossmembers, 4-links.... I'm no welder and have never TIG welded, but some of the things they weld would scare the pants off of me! I'd be afraid to sit in the thing, let alone drive it. Maybe I'm way off base, but sometimes the things they do just look thrown together.

Im always amazed at how inexperienced they appear when you consider this is their only business. The ridiculous deadlines make their work appear shoddy as they rush madly to complete the project. Imagine paying mega dollars for one of these cars and then watching an episode of all the bloopers made building it. The wheel business must be really good as most people would not consider having anything built there after watching the show.

Charlie, you hit the nail on the head. My wife, who has a hard time finding the business end of a screwdriver, commented that they did not represent themselves well as a company.

Ignorance is bliss.

Crotchington? Coddfish? Joe, you're killin' me over here! LMAO :D

I watch it...so I guess the bottom line is I find it entertaining. But I'd watch a hour of someone sanding a body long before most reality shows, it appeals to me because it's vaguely car-related.

I used to be a big Boyd fan until I saw a magazine spread on a tri-five Chevy he built. (It wasn't Chezoom) Anyway, they showed pics of the nice survivor car he destroyed to build it...similar to the model T (it was in FAR better shape than that, heck, it was newer). It was a real turn-off, he could have chopped a nice restored car, or even a shell and done the same car... They are only original once...and he killed it. That soured me, but it was HIS car and he did what he wanted to it, it just killed any desire that I ever had to own something he/his shop built. Not that there was anything wrong with the finished product or that I dislike (or like) anything that I've seen them build since.

Then I saw the first show...negative reation to him just gets stronger. So maybe I'm not real objective, or more likely his manner is somewhat off-putting. (nothing wrong with it, some people you just have a hard time "dealing" with) I did enjoy the idea of the junkyard dog (although if something like that shows up in a junkyard around here there would be a line around the block to buy it...even a '56).

The show never did showcase Bluebear as a Rhodes Scholar for certain... However, I'd have shown him the door twice before...when he goaded the other employee (again the tapes get edited, and I may not have seen the whole escalation, so may be VERY wrong and ONE-sided and I suppose the manager Duane is more at fault for not ending the whole thing long before any outburst; again, could be good editing) and the other? Returning the wrench to Sears for a new one. Shows a lack of moral character. He ruined it, and he did it knowingly and yet he returned it. I'd never trust him to see any situation around the shop differently. I know many people do the same thing probably more than a few here... I'll return it if it breaks, but if I was using a 6 foot cheater bar (or heated it with a torch)? I'm buying a new one. Just the way I am. Others may disagree, and see nothing wrong with it, and may read Sears' policy as an open invitation, I do not. (Heck I'd have kept it just in case I needed it again!)


As far as calling up SoCal for the instructions? I'd wager that the Coddington Shop is on a cash basis with most if not all of their suppliers (going bankrupt and restarting in the same field makes suppilers a little gunshy). The customer may even have brought in the parts and it's a real possibility that they are persona-non-grata at SoCal...(I'd suppose that there may be a few burned bridges in that area). For the record, I don't know anything about their finances (or relationships with suppilers) outside what has been printed.

I'll keep watching, but I didn't see losing a "valuable" employee like Blue Bear as a negative. This is purely from my entertainment perspective, I don't feel like anyone's misfortunes being aired on television is positive and I'm glad he found other (and maybe better) employment. (I'm also glad I never had to work with him).

I can't say that I approve of any of the mechanical work being done (the bodies look great in the pics and I'm a body-work relative novice) but I suppose watching them succeed time after time would be exceedingly boring for non-gearheads so they highlight the screw-ups...

I'll keep watching if for no other reason than it's neat to see car-related programming.


And does anyone else find the sophmoric "phone pranks" on Overhaulin' to be the downfall of an otherwise half-way decent show? (Ian Zering not included). smile.gif

Ya, just to let this post starter know...Mike from AHR was kidding around when he said he didnt want to box the frame. They actually did do it willfully. Mike, to me, seems to be pretty smart.

Originally posted by radial72:


I'll keep watching if for no other reason than it's neat to see car-related programming. Amen to that. There are too few gearhead programs. More so now than in the past, but still not enough. I watch anything related to cars, bikes, racing, etc. Of course the TV in the garage helps out a lot.

The show is entertaining to watch. But i would not let them restore a kids little red wagon. They were always 1 step forward and 2 steps back. Anyone who restores cars or custom builds cars should understand fitting all parts together as a finished product before painting, plating and painting. graemlins/clonk.gif Roger

so, we are here at my house having xmas dinner. i go upstairs and see my 12 year old nephew watching american muscle car on the speed chanel. i asked him what happened to all his enthusiasm for imports and he said he didnt like them anymore. he told me he watches all these reality car show and now he likes muscle cars. i guess that is one good think that is coming out of allthese show.

angel

i know its a tv show but how many of u would like to just knock out that dude duane the shop foreman?i'm sure they muck it up for the cammeras but still this guy is an ass.just the way he talks to people makes me want to rip his head off.i don't care if he's your boss or not nobody deserves to be talked to that way.doesn't this guy know he looks like a real jerk?he acts like this big tough guy, hopefully one day someone sets him straight.

Originally posted by clill:
I'm curious what members think. I had the same thought. I would definitely not take a car to them after seeing the show. Just the other night I was talking to my wife about how Boyd comes across as an arrogant ass while Chip Foose comes across like a guy who you could have a couple of beers with and have a great time. Must be that he drives a Camaro. :D

I like the show just because it is car related. I think Boyd is an egotistical jerk. I like cars that are restored more to their original state, instead of the kit cars and custom jobs they build.

I hated that Mustang they built. Dewayne comes off as a jerk also. Are there going to be any new episodes? I haven't seen anything but re-runs since the rat rod finale episode.

I didn't know Charlie and Beetle had left. Will this be shown on the show?

Here's the back story and I'll buy the beer for anybody who can prove it for sure... any insiders here on the forum?? Here goes:

You notice the size of Boyd's operation there? You notice the scads of nice cars sitting in the background that seem to be projects that never get 'show time' or attention from people on the show? Well I think that there's a lot of other people there who are not on 'the show' and actually put in normal hours building things for BCHR. I think that he was approached by the network execs and given a shot at a bucketfull of dough. His next trip was to go down to the shop floor, get the crew together and ask "OK, who is interested on being on TV?" "We can build a couple of cool cars and these network guys here will pay for it. They'll have some loose scripts we have to follow though, and there'll be some DRAMA to go with the FOULUPS but all in all it should be good fun. Who's in?" "Meanwhile we still need a base crew to run the business, so not all of you guys can be on the show. Sorry."

So thats it. The rest is mediocre TV. Mostly unbelievable stuff like people taking torches to million dollar speed parts and others who argue with the boss in their dream-job, but hey. I never liked Survivor either. And yes I definitely agree: I could hang out with Chip Foose any day and he wouldn't annoy me. They can stop those time-wasting phone pranks and spend more time telling me what they did with the numbers matching parts after the fact. Hope they didn't get thrown away smile.gif

I'd rather spend a year of my free time restoring a car than have these guys do it in a couple weeks or however long it takes. I think Discovery is trying to apply its recipe for success to Boyd Coddington and his shop and it isn't working out exactly as planned. They needed a "Paul Teutel" character for the show and Boyd just can't fill those "size 12s" without looking like a big jerk. He's probably an allright guy just trying his hand at acting. I highly doubt the show will bring celeb status to Boyd and his crew. Some of the scripting is a little more transparent on AHR, also.

I really do like the show. however... I watch American Hot Rod only for the cars. I watch American Chopper for the bikes AND characters.

Clill made a comment about Boyd "paying the bills". I can tell you two things. Watch the show and see Due-wayne ask Diane for a check when parts arrive. That is C.O.D. No money, no parts. Wonder why this is? I am also aware of a company in Arkansas that deals in typically late model LS1, LS6, etc. Boyd uses these in his "Boydsters". Last time I spoke to the owner of the company, Boyd still had an outstanding debt over a year old. And lastly, I am helping my bud's at RRE (rickroush.com) with a Boydster III. The car was built by Boyd and delivered without paint or interior which was done in Illinois per the owners request. I can say I am impressed by the car. The workmanship is very well done. What we have found is the car was never "tuned". The engine and suspension were installed and delivered. At RRE, we are fine tuning the engine and suspension. So far the drivability and ride as well as handling are improved. I really don't care for Boyd, and after watching his show, I really don't think I would have a car built by Boyd. But, this car is nice and is well done. It is also a real hoot to drive.

The most impressive episode I saw was when the father and two sons built a whole hot rod body from sheet aluminum. It wasn't in Boyd's shop but that was cool to watch.

If I had the kind of money where I could have a "professional-shop" build my car...I sure as hell would not let Duane near it. Man that gut gets my blood boiling. I wonder is it an act? Or is he really that big of a jk? Maybe this is why he is divorced?

Originally posted by WillS:
If I had the kind of money where I could have a "professional-shop" build my car...I sure as hell would not let Duane near it. Man that gut gets my blood boiling. I wonder is it an act? Or is he really that big of a jk? Maybe this is why he is divorced? I think a lot of it is acting, or trying to act. I would hope Duane isn't that bad in "real" life. He kinda reminds me of one of those guys in the pawn shop from the movie Pulp Fiction. Almost like he acts one way to hide the fact he is something different. I agree, his charactor on the show is not one that is well liked. All the threats and possible a$$ kicking is a little much. I don't know about the California area, but here on the east coast a guy like that would have a few wrenches shoved down his throat if he were to threaten people like he does. I guess it's all an act, or they are some "laid back" employees.

I think one of the big problems they have is too many hands working on one project. They also seem to make a lot of the same mistakes amateurs would make. They get there in the end, they just seem to struggle at it - not the professionalism you would expect from a professional shop. Too much playing too, when the boss is away. Seems to me Boyd and Duane let too much BS go before they do react, and then they have to go overboard to get their attention. Sorta like my dad did when I misbehaved. I knew how far I could push him before the sh-- hit the fan. The only thing that bugs me is Charlie leaving. I really liked his character, and I enjoyed watching him work. If you watched many episodes you would of thought he and Boyd had a father/son relationship. Very close. Makes me wonder what happened that swayed Charlie's loyalty. As management you have to make the numbers in order to pay the bills, and deadlines are necessary in order to do so, but seems too like they struggle to make them. Then they have to pull those long nights and weekends, which after a while will take it's toll on your employees. Folks need a life and don't wont to cringe every Friday afternoon waiting to see if they are going to have to work. As management they need to address why the project got behind, reevaluate the deadlines if they are not realistic, and correct them. Accept there responsibility as management and not keep expecting their employees to bail there a$$es out because of their failures. As is said, just my 2 cents.

Ed

Originally posted by zx401:
The only thing that bugs me is Charlie leaving. I really liked his character, and I enjoyed watching him work. If you watched many episodes you would of thought he and Boyd had a father/son relationship. Very close. Makes me wonder what happened that swayed Charlie's loyalty. I think you answered your own question.Charlie said in one of the episodes the deadlines and constant pressure was getting to him.
Originally posted by zx401:
[QB] Then they have to pull those long nights and weekends, which after a while will take it's toll on your employees. Folks need a life and don't wont to cringe every Friday afternoon waiting to see if they are going to have to work. Accept there responsibility as management and not keep expecting their employees to bail there a$$es out because of their failures.

One of the things that I don't like is the language they use at Boyd's shop. With my five year old son watching every other word is beeped. Chip runs a good show to watch with my 5 year old. Lot more class I think. As a retired Sheriff's Investigator I heard that type of language everyday and it was nice to get away from it. Chip's show is more family oriented. I want my son to grow up and learn about hot rods. Not why every word is bleeped out.

Think about it, in order to be on TV, the guys in the shop have to sign a release, they probably get paid SOMETHING extra to be featured on TV and I'd guess the employees all figure it will make a "name" for them some way.

The show "needs" a time constraint, the other shows have that too, I think there are some times when schedules are short, but not ALL the time like it is on the show! My guess is, they do the all-night flog to enhance the show but I might be wrong. I sure as heck never heard of things like the "boot camp" stuff happening in any regular fabrication business!

One time I heard them say the car sat and sat, then Boyd says the car must be done in a fiew weeks! I think the TV producer had something to do with that timing.

I notice some huge banners appearing on the walls, wonder how much is paid for them to be there? I guess Hooters got some advertising and I bet they paid for it. See the Hooters girls come over for lunch?

It's interesting to watch Boyd manipulate the guys, ask them to work weekends etc.

Letting Bluebear go Baaa, Baaa, to the other guy was making me fume, I'd put a stop to that stuff right away!
I believe half of what I see and none of what I hear anyway.
David

Sometimes WE ALL have to learn the hard way to learn at all..This time it was Blue Bear's Turn !!He was pizzin off everyone for the past few shows.Just MY opinion...His HOT ROD was a bit unsafe and all boyd did was try to make sure Blue was safe driving in it..

I watched some of the cross-country trip portion of the show and was struck by their lack of 'on the road' knowledge about fixing the car. The little gray car spent more time on the trailer than on the road. I guess a steak-eating contest makes for better TV than fixing the car in the parking lot and being ready for the next day.

I just watched the Mustang show last night and became infuriated and vowed not to watch it anymore. They fired a kid for saying "if you want something done right". Boyd sent his henchman "Little Hitler Doowane" to do the dirty work. Dewayne gave him a sideways glance and fired him with no explanation. He looked like a kid ready to run away after poking fun of the playground bully. Then the kid apologizes to Boyd who won't listen. This show cannot be good for Boyd.

It's poor TV at best.

It reminds me of an old boss I had a long time ago and how he felt about the military... in particular the Guard and Reserve. He thought that all soldiers did was lay around drinking and playing cards 24 hours a day. He had an ignorant conception of how the military worked and I couldn't make him learn the truth.

That's what this show is doing for the hot rod industry in my mind. It's trashing the reputations of all the shops around the country and giving people a very bad taste in their mouths. It's no wonder people are so paranoid about letting someone else work on their car and then end up doing a half-baked job by themselves. It certainly doesn't help the budding hobbiest who might want to get more involved or maybe even get into the hot rod job market.

I don't watch the show anymore. I rank it right up there with shows like Days of Our Lives or anything that's shown on MTV. Just time filler and fluff.

I think all agree Boyd is a butthead and Blue Bear needed a rest. If Due-wayne is really that big of a jerk, he must lead a hard life. I have stopped watching the show as I am just flat tired of watching Boyd waddle into the shop for some nonsense speach and playing with the younger workers minds. Come on now, the two newer guys (Tig and Shawn) fired because Boyd wouldn't control Blue Bear and Due-wayne can dish it out but not take it. I thnk God for shows like "Rides". At least these people who love cars come across as professional, something Coddington just has to little knowledge of.

Codi...not to take away from anything you said...but I agree with you 100%.

American Hot Rod -to- Overhaulin'

is like

WalMart is to Norstrom's

Boyd may have gained wealth and fame...but he sold his soul to the devel.... :mad:


I bet everybody that's on the Boyd crew is saying..."it only TV"...but I'd rather be pumping gas than the whole world thinking you're a big-fat dork.

He said Big Fat Dork! LOL!

The whole show to me is as exciting as a midnight wormdiggin!! They have about two or three on the show that really know what to do,and they get treated like dirt,or fired.IMO boyd,dumb-wayne,and blew-bear should have their own show of where not to bring your car.Has anyone really ever seen any of those three do real work?I saw dumb-wayne start a shackle bolt once,Boyd put on a valve cover,and blew-bear can't even go get parts without messing up.I dont even want to think about how much they make a year.Just my 10 cents worth..

Originally posted by HwyStarJoe:
He said Big Fat Dork! LOL! Tooo funny!

Maybe we are missing something here --- since Boyd's X wife is still around and is in control of the money maybe she is really the boss and Boyd is working for her and is just there for his name. He can't think coherently because he is continually going over and over in his mind "How did I get myself into this mess?" graemlins/thumbsup.gif

She can't make him behave the way he does. Looks like a turd and smells like a turd......must be a turd.

Jessica is knocked up and claiming Peter is the father. Racheal knows the truth and is waiting to spring it on Boyd after the coupe is done.

The drama :eek:

graemlins/sad.gif C'mon now guys, the whole show is scripted and dictated by producers. None of the arguments and firings would have played out like that if the cameras weren't running! The sad thing is, men are even worse than chicks when it comes to buying into all the fake "reality" TV crap. The networks are just realizing that they can hook the guys as easily as the gals!!! Spend more time in the garage and leave the soap operas to the ladies!!

I wish I had a garage but I dont,I got my new welds and tires today came home to put them on,drug the compressor out of the shed,then the jack and tools,the compressor tore up and it started raining but I got the front ones on anyway always tomorrow.So now Im fixin to see if AHR is on so I can gripe some more.