Yep, for 10,000 you can get a convetible 69. Probably in the thin sheet metal.

Complete Unibody assembly no doors, windows, front clip etc. on page 467.


I'm sure Coupes are soon to follow.

ok, whos got those z11 vins and trim tags for sale :D :D :D

Hey, seriously, how the heck do you title something like that... kit car?

Originally posted by jethro:
Hey, seriously, how the heck do you title something like that... kit car? Jethro you are right! In Missouri it would be titled as a "Special Construction Vehicle" The year model would be determined by the year it was completed. So, if you built one this year it would be a 2004 special construction vehicle. Now I know some will not like that because it will look just like a 1969 Camaro but that is how the statute is written for these type vehicle.

the proceedure-- build the car, save ALL receipts and bills of sales for parts used. You will need a Manufacturer's Statement of Origin (MSO) and a Notorized bill of sale for the body. A used engine/transmission will require a notorized bill of sale and a copy of the title for the vehicle it came out of. New motor/tran will only need notorized bill of sale. DOR form 551 and and appointment at your local highway patrol station will get you a title and VIN. The VIN will be a 17 character number assigned by DOR. It will be sent to the highway patrol office and we will then call you and you bring the car back to us so we can put it on. Very simple proceedure!!
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Hey I just posted....I'm not the DMV. Maybe find an SS that has seen better days and convert over...don't know depends on your laws for your state.

You think they'd over night it? :D

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That's really interesting that Missura' would consider it a "kit car".
California doesn't, because it's not a "kit" - it's just a 'replacement' body.
I checked into this back around Dec. to see what was involved. Got refered to DMV and HP contacts that sighted Vehicle Code references for the registration of these. They are in this previous post - http://www.camaros.net/forum/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=007325;p=4 - (look on 4th page for DMV Sec/Codes)
The bottom line is that 'Kallifornea' considers these to be "rebodied restorations" and they DO PERMIT the transfer of the VIN tag to the new body for registration purposes! The fine line is -the "intent to defraud" - if you are tring to change VIN# to hide a stolen car you are going to spend some 'quality time with the boys' at state expense... If you are restoring a vehicle (hobby use only - not professional shops) then you can switch the VIN to the new body as long as you have a Clear Title to the VIN and a Bill-of-Sale for the Body.
You must fill out a 'Statement of Fact', File it with DMV and have the vehicle inspected by the CHP.
Of course we have a new "Guvinor" now - so maybe they are new answers :rolleyes:
I will be checking again on Monday to see if the same codes still apply.
This can only get more "curiouser" when these things begin to ship...

ok- what if you throw in an engine and tranny you have had lying around for years and have no receipt or matching title for? or if you cobble it together with all suspension parts you have lying around from various projects and cars over the years and also have no receipts for that?
how would you title it then?
or what if you put a replacement engine in a car- and rebuild the engine you took out for use in the "new" Camaro- while the car the engine was originally installed into is still on the road? or a truck engine? or are there provisions in there for this sort of thing?
i know street rod guys have been dealing with this stuff for years, but musclecar guys are gonna have to learn these rules and regs if aftermarket bodies are coming out..
personally, i think the manufacturer of the bodies should have to put a vin of some sort on the bodies and register them with the state the car was sold in. that way, someone can't take the numbers and parts off a "real" car and put it on the new body. and the vin mounting locations should be shaped different in such a way that original vin and trim tags won't fit. of course, if they sold enough of them every year, then they might need to comply with federal crash tests and have stringent emmission standards and so on and so forth. it all could get messy.
maybe it will bring the value of the "real" cars down so maybe i can afford one someday? from my perspective, i guess that's a good thing. but if i invested (for investment's sake) in a 69 Camaro already, i think i might want it to work the other way- which it probably will..
oh well, guess i'm still stuck with "almost a Camaro".

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vintage 68:
[QB] supv26;

The bottom line is that 'Kallifornea' considers these to be "rebodied restorations" and they DO PERMIT the transfer of the VIN tag to the new body for registration purposes! The fine line is -the "intent to defraud" - if you are tring to change VIN# to hide a stolen car you are going to spend some 'quality time with the boys' at state expense... If you are restoring a vehicle (hobby use only - not professional shops) then you can switch the VIN to the new body as long as you have a Clear Title to the VIN and a Bill-of-Sale for the Body.
You must fill out a 'Statement of Fact', File it with DMV and have the vehicle inspected by the CHP.


This seems ok for a transfer, but what if you have no VIN... in other words, you decide to BUILD a new 69 with this new body kit hitting the market... wouldn't you have to find an alternate way, such as in Missouri, to title it?

And BTW, i think this will only INCREASE the value of a "real" car.

[ 06-26-2004, 07:30 AM: Message edited by: jethro ]

novaderrick,
You have made some valid points. In a situation where you have a "an engine and tranny you have had lying around for years and have no receipt or matching title for", you more than likely would rebiuld that motor before installing it. In otherwords, remanufacture this motor. Since you would be the 'remanufacturer' then all you would need is a bill of sale from yourself showing you built it and list the parts used to rebuild it with. Have that notorized and you are set.

Also, "you cobble it together with all suspension parts you have lying around from various projects and cars over the years", same thing, make a receipt showing you obtained these parts from your own inventory.

No title work would be necessary for just a motor change. MO law states for inspection purposes that if a vehicle receives a replacement engine that it be the same year or newer and meets the chassis configuration for that particular car. So, the Camaro came available with an in-line six cylinder all the way up to a big block so just about any motor could be placed in it. Just make sure on 1968 and later model vehicles the emission components are reinstalled.

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so if you stuff a crate LS1 in it, it would need all the LS1 emmissions junk on it?
wonder how complex the laws are here in MN, as i might be acquiring a Model T frame and might want to do something with it..