Hi all,
Just curious, but has anybody ever seen a console with a clock instead of gauges? Mine does but according to one trim plate breakdown that I've seen my car is supposed to have a bench seat. I doubt that.

What year?
In 69 if you ordered a console without gauges, and a factory tach, you got a center fuel gauge. If you also ordered a clock, it would be console mounted.

If you ordered a tach and no console, you could not order a clock.

Yes, you ought to state some specifics about your car -- definitely the year.

In 1967 this was definitely possible. That's what I have on my car. This is designated as the R/C Group (Radio/Clock Group) on my Protect-O-Plate. I took the clock apart last summer and it has the correct date code on it to match the build date of my car/components.

http://php.indiana.edu/~keviyoun/camaro/campics/inter1.jpg

I think the console clock (as opposed to center dash clock option)was a dealer installed accesory for 68-69. I need to check my list of RPO's to see if it is there but I seem to remember it is not.

-Mark.

I have a 1967 Chevelle Malibu with that clock on the hump in front of the 4 speed Muncie. I special ordered the car through Burt Chevrolet in Denver in Oct 1966. I ordered the gauge package and got ammeter, oil, temp, and gas gauges and the small tach on the left side with the left directional built into it and the clock on the hump all as a package for $75 as I remember. I also ordered a bench seat because I had a baby on the way. You can sort of see the clokc in pic # 4 here ===> http://www.picturetrail.com/k-squared

I also have a 67 RS Camaro that is remarkably similar to K A Youngs 67 SS pictured above. I have had it about 10 years. It is butternut yellow with bumble bee stripe, cowl hood, black interior, PS, power glide, manual brakes, no air, rally wheels, 350 block (not original), black console but no clock. I've got it up on blocks putting in a new front end and 67 power disc brakes. You can see that also in my picture album

K-2

sorry, I have a 68 ss 350 with the deluxe interior. My clock is in the same area as K.A. Young's but it sets down in the console a little more. Classic Industries just shows gauges. My car doesn't have A/C and a previous owner mounted three SW gauges above the heater control. They look good, so I thought I'd leave them.
Thanks for the feedback,
Doug

K.A.

Can you tell me if the hole for the clock wiring in the console is oval or round in shape?

i had an original '67 Camaro, column shift with the clock mounted on the hump - no console.

Just an update, console mounted clocks are indeed a dealer installed accessory and not a regular production option on first generation Camaros. I checked for an RPO and there was none. As for other models or years, I have no idea. smile.gif

-Mark.

Originally posted by stingr69:
Just an update, console mounted clocks are indeed a dealer installed accessory and not a regular production option on first generation Camaros. I find it very hard to believe that this is true for 1967, for two reasons:

1) The date code on the clock matches perfectly with the car's build date. My car was built in the first week of November. The drivetrain, tranny, and such were all build during mid to late October. Transmission on October 12, Engine on October 26, Axle on October 27, and so on. The clock is stamped with a date of October 29, 1966.

Though my car was built in the 1st week of November 1966, it wasn't sold until June 24, 1967.

If it were installed by the dealer, I wouldn't expect that the clock's build date would be literally within days of the car's other components. That's just way too coincidental.

2) The inclusion of a clock is noted on the Protect-O-Plate. I know that the dealer would crank out the tape with the buyer's information, but I don't think that the dealer actually created the POP. Whoever created the POP knew that my car had a clock in it.

According to the CRG, the POP was made at the factory and shipped with the car. Therefore, the factory knew my car had a clock mounted to the console. This, along with the date code of the clock, strongly suggests to me that my clock was installed by the factory during the regular build of the car (regardless of whether a proper RPO has been found to exist for this option).

It seems to me that, although a dealer may have installed the clock as an option, it was also available as a factory installed option ... at least in 1967.

If it is on the 67 POP it must have been RPO U35. There is an RPO U35 for "clock only" in 69 but it is the dash clock, not the console mounted clock. I gotta watch what I say regarding the earlier years where I am in over my head. :rolleyes:

-Mark.

Originally posted by CFunK:
K.A.

Can you tell me if the hole for the clock wiring in the console is oval or round in shape? I should be able to, but I don't know right off the top of my head. It was a while ago that I removed my clock and I didn't really take notice of the shape of the hole. I'll let you know.

The fact that there was not a seperate RPO for console clock does not mean it was dealer installed only. (although I'm sure it could be dealer installed as could a dash mounted unit, depending on other options)

Certain option combinations required different configurations. As an example, if you ordered M40 automatic, it came column mounted, unless you ordered D55 console. Then it was moved to the console. There are not different RPOs for each location.

The example you offer is true but also fully documented in the assy manual.

The only clock setup in the manual shows for 69 is shown in the center of the dash and does not mention any other setup. Obviously 67-68 could be a different story as the dash is different with no available location for just a clock(it would need to go in the console). There are some things that are not shown in the manual but they would have to be shown on a non-illustrated parts BOM. Fisher body functions are also not detailed in the AIM but this would not be a Fisher operation. CRG has a spreadsheet showing the separate clock RPO not available with under-dash 8-track player but that restriction only makes sense for the earlier 67 and 68 cars where it appears to have been an option for console clock only(makes sense to me). You could get the tic-toc-tac but not every car needed a tach so some buyers could get a console clock without the tach(what other way is there to get just a clock?). The under dash tape player restriction would make sense for 67-68 and possibly 69 if the console clock were an option for 69 but that setup is undocumented(does not seem to make sense to me either as it would not be needed with that space in the center of the dash for it). If anyone out there has a 68 assembly manual, maybe they could take a look and see what it shows for the RPO separate clock option (makes sense if it is there). Hopefuly we will hear from a 69 owner with a documented example of a factory equipped console clock. Good topic for research as there is no clear explanation and the CRG spreadsheet is rather ambiguous. smile.gif

-Mark.

Originally posted by 67L48:
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I should be able to, but I don't know right off the top of my head. It was a while ago that I removed my clock and I didn't really take notice of the shape of the hole. I'll let you know. </font>[/QUOTE]The reason I ask is I believe my car came with the clock only and it has a oval hole in the console that looks factory.

Thanks

Stinger69, you make a good point about the assembly manual reference. If that is true, then somewhere on an order sheet, there must be a note that says when tach is ordered, a clock can only be ordered in conjunction with gauge package.

There is no 69 Console mounted clock from the factory. If you ordered a clock in 69 it came in the dash, no exceptions. It was not available if you ordered a tach (RPO U16) without the console gauges as the fuel gauge went in the center pod. Of course you could get a 68 clock installed on the console at the dealer if you didn't have gauges and wanted a clock.

It was a factory option in 67 and 68, in two forms. There was the console mounted clock available without the U17 gauge package with a console, and a floor mounted version available whitout the console. There was certain other restrictions to this gauge as well, such as when 8 track players, and A/C was ordered. Tic-toc Tachs were available in 68 to get a clock when you ordered the U17 gauge package, since the clock was removed from the console gauge pod in 68. There are no 67 tic toc tachs, as the clock was included in the U17 console guage set, and there is no place else to mount a fuel gauge if you had a tach in the right gauge pod, and didn't order U17 gauges.