How are they constructed?

It looks like there are three layers of metal. Rick's, I think, has started carrying a piece that is described as a conv inner rocker rib panel.

What do you folks do for the inner panel which Rick's says isn't available? Can it be fabricated?

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Rick Dorion
69 RS Conv,355,M20,4.10's and I don't worry about stone chips.

Rick, the panel that you are taking about is the innermost panel that the floor and seat re-enforcment is attached too. There were some past posts about this piece and it is just a simply bent piece.

Factory GM ones were die stamped and have more involved nooks and crannys. There are 3 or 4 layers to a convert rocker, I have one sectioned, so I will try to get a pic posted.
I have old rocker parts and pieces that I plan on fabbing up some new panels with.

Repairing the original rockers seems to be the only route, other than rebodying the car http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif

Kevin


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69' SS-350 Convert, M20, 3.55 posi. Totally Disassembled & in boxes (I'm working on it!)
69'(Hugger Orange -originally, Burgundy now) Z-21 Convert 327/PG, Driver (http://www.fototime.com/3C870D9037E51DE/standard.jpg)

There are 4 different pieces to a conv. rocker that are a healthy 3/16 of an inch thick each vs. a coupe rocker which are just under 3/16" thick. If you need to repair the inner or outer, its not a big problem, but the inners are a different story.

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67 Camaro SS Conv.
70 Challenger R/T Conv.

Ragtopman - can you elaborate? When I'm looking from under the car, I see three layers of thick metal. I assume one of the panels you refer to is inside the rocker.



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Rick Dorion
69 RS Conv,355,M20,4.10's and I don't worry about stone chips.

When I restored my rockers I remember them as a box ( outer and inner panel) with the two interior supports shaped as a Vee running the length of the rocker [V] . I removed the inner panel (that needed rust restoration anyway ) cut out the rotted sections of the interior panels ( that were made of two seperate sections with lips on upper and lower edges and tack welded into place )fabricated replacment panels of the same gauge and shape and welded them in . fabricated a new inner panel and closed them back up , hope this helps

Rick, a picture is on the way. I lost my freebie photo hosting site, so I had to email it. If you have any questions, just let me know. Kevin

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69' SS-350 Convert, M20, 3.55 posi. Totally Disassembled & in boxes (I'm working on it!)
69'(Hugger Orange -originally, Burgundy now) Z-21 Convert 327/PG, Driver (http://www.fototime.com/3C870D9037E51DE/standard.jpg)

Great! Thanks, guys.

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Rick Dorion
69 RS Conv,355,M20,4.10's and I don't worry about stone chips.

If you havent gotten your questions answered, let me know and Ill elaborate for you.

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67 Camaro SS Conv.
70 Challenger R/T Conv.

It's much clearer now. When I dig into the floors this winter, I'll see what needs to be fixed. I'm wondering, if those v shaped inners were rotted badly, if thick walled pipe would be a substitute. I also have welded subframe connectors which must contribute, too. Hmmm, tube frame?

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Rick Dorion
69 RS Conv,355,M20,4.10's and I don't worry about stone chips.

OK, bit the bullet, paid for the photo site.

Here is a the pic I sent to Rick and others, It was cut from a parts car around the middle of the seat on the drivers side looking foward. The inner panel (that attaches to the floor on right) has been removed.

http://www.fototime.com/6C440EA73390D20/standard.jpg
And I fixed my sig!

Kevin

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69' SS-350 Convert, M20, 3.55 posi. Totally Disassembled & in boxes (I'm working on it!)
69'(Hugger Orange -originally, Burgundy now) Z-21 Convert 327/PG, Driver (http://www.fototime.com/BD198A2E7BF669A/standard.jpg)

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[This message has been edited by KevinW (edited 10-31-2001).]

Hey Kevin, cool photo.
I'm confused though, which part is rick's selling as the inner ribbing? is it the two sheets i see in that photo? if so, what else is there that is unavailable?
Tybor

Tybor, what you see in the pic is ALL unavailable. Rick's is selling the part that is not there http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif In the pic there would be another piece of metal on the left that went from the top to the bottom of the rocker. Then the floor would be put on the same lower seam.

so in order, from out to in, would be:
outer rocker, unavail
outer inside beam, unavail
inner inside beam, unavail
innner rocker, avail, but does not look the same as orig
floor pan. avail

Hope that clears it up! http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif

Kevin

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69' SS-350 Convert, M20, 3.55 posi. Totally Disassembled & in boxes (I'm working on it!)
69'(Hugger Orange -originally, Burgundy now) Z-21 Convert 327/PG, Driver (http://www.fototime.com/BD198A2E7BF669A/standard.jpg)

Rocker Pros:

Good info, I've been chipping away at my 67 rag rockers for a while, and Kevin's pic above looks alot better than the inside of mine...which are full of rust chips.

Here are my questions, if anyone can throw in 2 cents:

If I brace up the inner with some extra steel welded in (I've got my eye on a 3x1.5x1/8" rectangular beam) can I fit the outer (non-convertible) outer over that? Is this reasonable?

Second, however I get it repaired, what kind of coating can I put inside of here to keep the rust away, knowing that I'll have to weld around the outer edges to get the pieces finally mounted which might cook off any painted areas inside?

Any advice from someone who's resto'ed this area would be great.

Thanks,
Jeff

I doubt a non conv. will work(but then again it might), the biggest part being is that the conv. rocker metal(all 4 pieces) are a solid, healthy 3/16" thick while the coupe is shy of 3/16". If the general thought that a coupe outer would work, why didnt he do it that way?

One of these days, somebody is going to fab up a conv. rocker jig and start stamping them, and make some cash http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif.

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Jim
67 Camaro SS Conv.
70 Challenger R/T Conv.

Thanks to all. This thread has been very good. I'm still a little confused. Rick's description says "Rib panel layered between full outer rocker and as yet unavailable convertible inner rocker panel ( panel with threaded inserts for seat belt bolts) ". It sure sounds like the inside guts. However, I don't think it would too hard for a fabrication shop to make the insides. Also, with welded subframe connectors, I think there are various solutions, not too hard to make, that would result in more strength than the original design.

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Rick Dorion
69 RS Conv,355,M20,4.10's and I don't worry about stone chips.

RickD, here is a past post about Kmaro actually using the repro part from D&R. The part is the one the seat belt bolts to. I think that D&R or Classic makes it and hasn't released it to the other suppliers yet. Rick's has it listed on pg 159 of the 2001 catalog, but no pic. D&R has a pic, but a small one.
http://http://www.camaros.net/forum/Archives/Archive-000003/HTML/20020823-3-001263.html (http://www.camaros.net/forum/Archives/Archive-000003/HTML/20020823-3-001263.html)

Kevin

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69' SS-350 Convert, M20, 3.55 posi. Totally Disassembled & in boxes (I'm working on it!)
69'(Hugger Orange -originally, Burgundy now) Z-21 Convert 327/PG, Driver (http://www.fototime.com/BD198A2E7BF669A/standard.jpg)

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Thanks, Kevin - I'm looking at pg 159 and don't see it in the 2001 catalog. Pls save me from myself!

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Rick Dorion
69 RS Conv,355,M20,4.10's and I don't worry about stone chips.

Rick, it is on the left side of page towards the bottom. I think the number is PR-22. It's group with the coupe full rockers or skin. Kevin

Wow - I'm losing it. I'm looking in the 2001 Rick's catalog and the rockers are on page 163 - everything has a PP- number. What am I doing wrong?!

Rick's must have updated the 2001. I downloaded it early this year and it sounds like the page numbers have changed. D&R should have it.

Kevin

Yes I have welded the inner rocker in on my 67 conv. it is available it did not have the hole for the seatbelt weldnut but all in all with a little work they do fit.