There seems to be a lot of confusion about the different styles for the different years, and also the ones used in the firebirds.

I know of a few people that bought / have the wrong style for their model.

Maybe we can come up with a gallery as a sort of 'spotters guide' for each style and model to make life easier at the swap meets or online auctions?

excellent idea. We can put the info together in a techref article.

I have two full sets of 67/8 shakers in the attic. One set of the round and one square. I also have a set of 69 rears up there. I'll snap some pics this weekend.

Lets run with it in this thread and I'll compile the facts and submit them here for review... I know we have lots of coctail shaker threads existing. If someone wants to review and link to the ones that help spell it out, or wants to describe the differences to get this kicked off that would be cool...

I should add, if someone already has the info compiled and wants it published post up!! We'll review for factuality and completeness and add it to the tech ref... I don't mind writing but if it's already done lets use it!! graemlins/beers.gif

If part of your purpose is identification for swap meet parts, you may want to include some Firebird discussion too. I have read conflicting information on the interchangability of the dampeners between years and between Firebird and Camaro, particularly for the ’69.

Rumor has it that the Pontiac engineers contributed the vibration dampeners to the 1st Gen convertible body design. See: http://firstgenfirebird.org/firebird/FAQ/suspen_steer/suspension.html

There has also been a lot of discussion on the 1st Gen Firebird Forums; http://forums.performanceyears.com/6/ubb.x?a=cfrm&s=7286011111 , http://firstgenfirebird.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=23;DaysPrune=1000 , and the First Gen Firebird “List”.

Here’s some part numbers from the Pontiac Parts book for you to compare with the Camaros:
67 RH Frt 9789448 Dampener and bracket
67 LH Frt 9789449 Dampener and bracket
67 RH Rr 3909928 Dampener and bracket
67 LH Rr 3909927 Dampener and bracket

68 RH Frt 9792469 Dampener and bracket
68 LH Frt 9792470 Dampener and bracket
68 RH Rr 9792319 Dampener and bracket
68 LH Rr 9792320 Dampener and bracket

69 RH Frt 9797614 Dampener and bracket
69 LH Frt 9797615 Dampener and bracket
69 RH Rr 9796673 Dampener and bracket
69 LH Rr 3962787 Dampener and bracket

Jim

Cool.... graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Originally posted by 68Conv400HO:
Rumor has it that the Pontiac engineers contributed the vibration dampeners to the 1st Gen convertible body design. See: http://firstgenfirebird.org/firebird/FAQ/suspen_steer/suspension.html -

Jim Yeah right - and Al Gore invented the internet... :D

I love revisionist history as much as the next guy - but, the Dampers were employed on Corvairs long before there were Camaros or Firebirds - so much for the 'they helped' theory...
As an additional time line thingy, to help depunk the Pontiac site info, remember that the first test mules were completed by Chevrolet in the Fall of 1964. Suspension and body design were completed in 1965 - including the Dampers ("They were designed by Charlie Rubly of the Chevrolet Chassis Group and the idea came from the 58~59 Thunderbirds that used them for the same reason. Charlie's nickname for them was "Cocktail Shaker" which stuck and is what they are called today.") being added to Convertibles.
Pontiac Division wasn't even given the go ahead by GM management to join the F-Body project until Feb. of 1966 - well after the mechanical design and testing was completed.
Pontiac changes were restricted to minor driveline mods and cosmetic changes at first just by the timing necessary to get the Firebird to production for the 67 model year.

Nice story for their site though... :rolleyes:

Thank you for the part numbers! I will try to compare to some I have for the Camaro.

Excellent Jim... I think the shaker idea has to go to the Corvair engs as they had them before the f-bodys did... they may have been used on something else too before that but my memory is drawing a blank on that...

I agree though that the bird is close enough we don't want to overlook info that may pertain to both...

Interesting and entertaining post Jim. Thanks for the link. However, Pontiac did NOT develop the cocktail shakers for the F body. Alex Mair, Charlie Rubly and Paul King were ordered by Pete Estes to "fix the shake" inherent in the convertible. The only way they could fix it was to employ the cocktail shakers (or seismic dampers). By the way, cocktail shakers were not exactly new technology, as the Corvair convertible had 'em long before there were Camaros or Firebirds. In fact, I think even Ford had a some type type of 'shaker for the T-Bird.

Dennis, as you know, I did a LOT of research when I was sorting out my "cocktail shaker" experience, and there were lots of pics of the ones in the trunk, but not the front. Here's a few pics of the front shakers for the 68.

This one shows the location with the driver's side headlight removed (1968 standard model):
http://www.stevewaddington.com/images/cocktail%20shaker.jpg

Here are a front pair out of the car. In fact, after cleanup and fresh fluid, these went into the front of my 68:
http://www.stevewaddington.com/images/shakersgregg.jpg

Hope this helps!

P.S. LOL, as I was searching and posting pics, it seems you guys beat me to the punch in responding to Jim's "Pontiac history". We're not gangin' up on you Jim...thanks for the info!

Enough of these pics probably floating around, but I'll post for the heck of it.

I got my rears off ebay. Guy said they came out of a Firebird, but I'm not sure. They went in fine, and I practically stole them (a rarity on epay). Curious if anyone can identify if the donor car was indeed a 'bird or a Camaro. Excuse the enormity of this pic. How do I make it smaller?

Thanks!

http://home.comcast.net/~chris.karam/Img_0876.jpg

[ 03-22-2004, 05:36 PM: Message edited by: DjD ]

Sorry ckaram,
I'd try to help identify the part, but the picture is so small I can't see the details! tongue.gif

Here's a '69 for comparison...

http://www.camaros.net/pnwcc/DjD/spatter3.jpg

What a sensitive group. :eek:

As I read what you all said and what the Firebird site said, it didn't sound that inconsistant to me. The F-body convert has a problem and an engineer make a recomendation. If Pontiac is also to use the body, a Pontiac engineer couldn't recommend the solution? A technology (existing or not) gets applied to the problem. Maybe, both F-body users study the solution and use it.

Sorry I said anything.

Hey Stever W, next time I'll blow it up a little larger! graemlins/clonk.gif

Hmmm...who's being sensitive now? tongue.gif

Relax Jim,
No big deal, and no need to take it personally. Its just that us Camaro guys have an issue with statements like:
"I think Chevy saw that solution and started putting them in Camaros too. I quess that today these little known canisters with weights and springs stand as a tribute to the superiority of Firebird over Camaro!"
Puhleeeeeeeze! What a load of Baloney!
I think Firebird owners who write such drivel are just a little envious of the fact that without the Camaro, there would not have been a Firebird. (And this from a site that, by inference, purports to be some sort of authority?) The Camaro was first, cocktail shakers and all, and then was given to Pontiac by GM so that they could have a cool pony car too!. Then they put their own spin to the cosmetics, engines and suspension. I think of the Firebird as sort of an upscale Camaro...you know, a Camaro for older guys! :D (And by that, I mean that the older guys had a bit more money to spend on their cars, the Firebird being a Pontiac, a bit more refined and expensive.)
Personally, I like Pontiacs as well as Chevys. I also own a GTO, and I love the 400 motor! And I AM an older guy! But, I gotta call it when I see it.
Nothing personal, no big deal, and I'm glad you did post. I feel you were trying to contribute in a very positive and constructive way. It will help those that are researching, and as such, it is appreciated. So relax...

ck,
So thats what splatter paint looks like magnified x100. tongue.gif

You kinda blew the whole page outta whack with that one!
You just need to go into photoshop, or what ever program you use, resize the photo and save as...then upload it and post it.

Jim, I went over the FAQ page you linked and unfortunatly don't see any answers based on facts. Rear canisters weighing 50 lbs each and fronts being 25 lbs each. Maybe the bird shakers were 50lbs (I doubt it) but not the ones in the back of the camaro. The description of the insides of a canister is shakey at best ;) Now I'm not trying to insult anyone or talk down the other site. The answers to the questions on the other site are no more than "I think", or "I've heard" which is great for converstaion but can't be taken as definitive answers. Vintage 68 threw in a bit of humor but I think what he's posted is close to matching what I've read on the subject. If you've got facts I know the guys here will be fast to BBQ some crow and accept what you say as everyone here is all about learning... It's got to be facts though...

The part numbers you provided are going to be great for comparison and should help reach a definitive on interchangability. Your contributions, current and future are appreciated.

if GM knew 25 years ago that we would add 100lbs, well 75 for me and 25 for the lady, they could have saved some weight in the shakers.
more ballast under the belt today. . . .

I love crow ! I've eaten a lot of it.
A little 'Pappy's' and it tastes pretty much like chicken ...
I would love to see more info if available.
DjD pretty much sums up my reading of the 'bird site, alot of 'someone-said-someone-said, I think'.
The developement timelines for F-Body product developement, the managers involved and the reasons for their decisions for the final product are widely published by several different authors. Most of the information has solid facts available from several sites to verify this information. But new information comes to light nearly every day.
They could all have it wrong, more facts could be out there - bring them on.
We are here to learn and help each other.

ps: Firebirds had multi leaf springs from the start and ride much nicer... :D

great idea Sci-flyer! and btw...I love the ones you sent me :D checked them out when I got off work...gonna blast those puppies & splatter them.

I get confused with the fronts....the rears are a bit easier for me to differentiate.

Curt

[ 03-24-2004, 05:46 AM: Message edited by: thewebb1 ]

67 and 68 Firebird vibration dampeners:
http://www.badgoat.net/cocktail_shakers.htm

Originally posted by 68Conv400HO:
67 and 68 Firebird vibration dampeners:
http://www.badgoat.net/cocktail_shakers.htm Thanks Jim, looking at the pics Steve W provided of his '68 fronts and the firebird '68 fronts in your link they are different. Chris' pic of the camaro '68 rear shaker looks different from the '68 firebird also...

Great discussion- and I have owned a '68 Firebird coupe in the past- I loved that car, and I dearly want a '69 Firebird convertible someday.

My project convert's front shakers came out of a wrecked 69 in Atlanta, GA, found about 1980 or so. The car was incredibly smashed-- sort of flattened. I would have hated to see the driver. The "foot" of the right one had rusted away, probably from years of seeping battery acid. I still haven't fixed that-- I'm waiting for final assembly time. Here are pictures (I hope) of both front shakers in place during a test assembly last year. DARN-- I can't figure out how to include the pictures!!!!

So getting back to one of the objectives of this thread:
Maybe we can come up with a gallery as a sort of 'spotters guide' for each style and model to make life easier at the swap meets or online auctions? It appears the vibration dampeners vary not just by year but by vehicle manufacturer, we have a lot more knowledge when "shopping".

The more I compare the Firebird and Camaro, I continue to find they are more different than alike. In 1969 I knew I wanted either a Camaro or Firebird for my first car. I found a good year-old '68 Bird first. After 35 years, I still own it.

Well, to me, it does appear that there is one set that is a crossover. The 1967 Firebird fronts do appear to be the same as the 1968 Camaro fronts.

I can post some pics of unmounted shaker pairs with dimensions if desired. The mounted pictures are a big help too.

Thanks for the replies, and keep up the good work!

So, can somebody tell me if these (just by looking) are the fronts for a '69 :confused:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2469348664&category=42609

Originally posted by 3SuperSports:
So, can somebody tell me if these (just by looking) are the fronts for a '69 :confused:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2469348664&category=42609 The rears do not look like they are for a '69. Look at the picture on page 1 of this thread and the top bracket is curved on the '69. I believe that the fronts are the same for all 3 years but not sure.

found these pictures on ebay graemlins/waving.gif
http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2469320236&category=34200

Originally posted by coach420:
found these pictures on ebay graemlins/waving.gif
http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2469320236&category=34200 That is what mine look like. Notice the upper bracket on the rears is not curved.

Here are pics of the shakers that I have:


67-8 Round:


http://www.stratagaz.com/67-8RoundShakers01.jpg

http://www.stratagaz.com/67-8RoundShakers02.jpg


67-8 Round and Square:


http://www.stratagaz.com/67-8RoundsndSquareShakers01.jpg

http://www.stratagaz.com/67-8RoundsndSquareShakers02.jpg


67-8 Round and Square and 69 Rears:


http://www.stratagaz.com/67-8RoundsndSquareand69RearShakers01.jpg

http://www.stratagaz.com/67-8RoundsndSquareand69RearShakers02.jpg

I have never seen the rounded top cannisters before. Interesting.

They were in my 67 ragtop.

I guess I could have yanked the front shakers out of the 69 to show a complete collection, but I was feeling a little lazy today! :D

The innards are a cast iron weight with some holes in it, with coil springs above and below that keep the weight centered up-down in the cylinder, and it's filled with ATF; vibration causes the weight to move up and down slightly against the spring load (the ATF flows back and forth through the calibrated holes in the weight), which damps out certain frequencies.

My Chassis Line at Willow Run filled and installed them in Corvairs in the mid-60's, and the same basic devices were used in the Camaro/Firebird later on, with different calibrations developed to respond to their unique body structural harmonic vibration frequencies. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Paul,
You have amassed a small fortune!!! See 'em off and retire!!! :D

LOL! Ya I probably should sell them as all they do is sit in the attic and collect dust along with the other junk up there like my GM 69 ragtop quarters, etc.

My problem is that I always think that I should keep them just in case I ever decide to restore another camaro ragtop. :rolleyes:

Well, here is something that is nuts....

I've got a '67 Vert, but must have been made late in the production year. It had plastic seat backs, GM logo plastic seat belts, it was a 6 cyl with a console 3 on the floor, had the 'Pacesetter' kit, and was a Norwood car registered late in the year in Calif. with orig black plates. VNV144. I've only seen 1 other '67 that had later plates.

The kicker is that I have 1968 front shakers in the car! That is the way it came. We've had this car in the family since '69 and it was bought from a family friend.

Go figure.

And the Pontiac engineers were too busy designing the bird design for the side marker lights

graemlins/beers.gif

can shakers go bad? i have a 69 with all shakers,floor brace . tires seem fine and i still have shimmy going down the road

Originally posted by bills69:
can shakers go bad? Wow - good question.

As "JohnZ" discribes, and is in this and other 'cocktail shaker' posts, they are filled with ATF. The fluid is not subjected to friction, high heat or contamination as is the case with other fluid applications in the vehicle so it should not "wear out".
I would have to think the springs would be the only thing that could change, or break, that would effect their operation. I have never found a "bad" one - just cars without them that have the common 'cowl shake' much worse than normal.

I would recommend you check the wheels and tires carefully for run-out and balance.
After replacing all the body mount bushings in mine I had a four wheel thrust alignment done to be sure I got the front and rear wheels all "co-operating" in getting the car down the road straight.
Replacing the body bushings (with OEM type) did help with road isolation to some extent. You may want to inspect yours carefully, they may be so old and hard they are not helping anymore.
I would also recommend you stay away from "Poly" bushings anywhere in a convertible if you are worried about ride and road noise.

JMHO - hope others chime in with comments/suggestions.

John

I'm sorry if I missed it, I've read through this a couple of times, but will the fronts from a '68 fit a '69???

Ummmm....damn, I knew that I should have pulled the fronts out of the 69 for comparison. I thought that only the rears were different, but to be honest I really don't remember if the fronts are different too. :confused:

69 fronts are different....the legs are different than 67-68's.

Doug

Thank you.

Ever try driving your Camaro without
the front cocktail shakers? The guy
who painted my car suggested I take
them off. Damn did it handle like crap.

A little off topic but -- What are the two threaded holes (one on each side) for that are just in front of the rear cocktail shakers for? http://www.camaros.net/pnwcc/DjD/spatter3.jpg

The dampeners on my '68 Firebird have a different bracket arrangement that use both holes. See: http://www.geocities.com/jims68fb/Trunk.html
Jim

It can sure allow for the shakers to be installed wrong as well as the wrong shakers to be installed. I don't know the body work history of my ragtop other than it had it's orig body color before it was painted white. Is that correct to have the extra hole in '69?

My '69 has them also and the "shakers" look the same also. Given that the '68 Firebird used them, I would guess they were a hold over.

Along the lines of the Firebird vs. Camaro topic:

My 69 RS/SS Conv was built in Sep 68 in Van Nuys. It has a Firebird jacking instructions sticker on the decklid, and the deluxe Comfortweave interior has a Firebird rear seat bottom. I'm not sure if the Firebirds were also built on the same line - can any of you Pontiac guys verify this?

Also, my 67 RS/SS Conv has been missing all 4 cocktail shakers as long as I've owned it - I guess the previous owner thought the extra weight would detract from the car's "performance". I have noticed a bit of a shimmy right between 35 - 45 MPH. I always ascribed this to a wheel balancing issue, but the posts here have me thinking. Has anyone out there observed the "harmonics" that these are designed to cancel firsthand? Does my description fit?

Thanks! BTW - Does anyone have a set of 67 rears that they want to unload?

Tom

rsss396rag, My '67 convertible shook
like a leaf when going over railroad
tracks without the cocktail shakers.
It also lacked stability. I'd steer and
the car had no direction. Without a
doubt put them back in before you try
to diagnose vibration issues.

There's a lot of info in this thread, and I may have missed it, but for a 69, do the RS front shakers differ from the Standard ? TIA!!

I think that the same shakers are used for both RS and standard. If anyone knows different, please correct me.

I do know that I gave a set of 67-8 fronts to my friend who has a 68 RS and they fit right in. The ones that I gave him were no different than my other 67-8 fronts.

late to the thread but ....

"bills69 posted 05-28-2004 03:23 AM *** ** ** * * * ** **
can shakers go bad? i have a 69 with all shakers,floor brace . tires seem fine and i still have shimmy going down the road "

tires are a BIG item people overlook

my dad had a Falcon convert that always shook, the tires were nearly full tread

the tires were "square" from sitting so long

new tires solved his 5 year journey of hell from balancing, etc

I am a big fan of FRESH tires as I know from racing what time and heat cycles do to racing tires, that same situation applies to street tires

We change out our daily drivers tires every year to a year and a half due to time and the heat cycle effect they endure

(some people are very happy to get our nearly new, nearly full tread tires used, but *I* know that their grip is compromised)

Just recently I saw a early 70's Corvette show up at an autox and it was on the 2nd gen BFG Radial T/A's, not made for 30 years!!!! And he drove it there 25 miles.

Due yourself all a favor and DO NOT drive your car on "old" tires just because the "look ok"

======

2nd remark regarding this thread, the cocktail shakers were used on the Ford unibody products as follows: Thunderbird converts, Lincoln 4 door converts (not sure about the 58-60 converts) and the 66-67 Fairlane and Comet convertibles (Not sure if the 68-68 Fairalne/Comets used them). Why they didn't use them on the Falcon and Mustang / Cougar converts is not known.

So now that i've been driving my car. I think need cocktail shakers. In a few speed bands 40-50 mph, 25~30 I get the feeling like a tire is out.

One of my tires maybe out of round but, it feels harmonic.

So where do you get them and are they only best way to control this?

TIA

drew,

Check ebay. They've been pretty cheap there recently.

There are several ways to help the "cowl shake" that comes with some of these cars.

Of course the cocktail shakers have to be in place. As long as they have not leaked I would asssume that they are still dampening. But, these cars are floppy to start with and anything you do to build in rigidity will help.

Having new springs, heavy duty shocks, oversized roll bar, X panel, and moreover graphite impregnated urethane body and suspension parts all help aleviate this problem.

My 69 has all the above and doesn't shake one ioda! Also, subframe connectors would help.

psss. RS and regular models are no different in the cocktail shaker department.

I would also add that your subframe has to be solid. When I pull my subframes I spend a good amount of time checking them and fixing anything that looks suspect. I'll even weld the seams where the factory didn't weld just to insure that everything is strong.

Another thing that I found on my 67 was that a couple of welds were broken on the dash. If I wouldn't have fixed those the dash would have definitely had a little play while driving.

Hi All:
Early on in this thread, the part numbers were posted for all the First Gen Camaro and Firebird front and rear shakers. Great info. But....can anyone tell me exactly where this part number is located on the shaker???

Thanks!!

Dan
'68 Convertible

My Fault...
Those were only Firebird part numbers...

Anyone have the Camaro part numbers?

Dan
'68 Convertible

Here are the #s for a 69 Camaro:
3962787 Left Rear
3962788 Right Rear
3962789 Left Front
3962790 Right Front

I have not been able to find any of these #s on any of my shakers.....they are out of the 69 AIM.

Doug

It appears from the photos I have seen the big leg on 68 Front shakers is longer than firebird shakers of the same year. Is this true or are the interchangeable?

I can get a # for a front rh side from a 68 rs/ss convertible L48 im redoing. only one i got out at the time, its rusty though, i'll try

Entering this thread VERY late, but here are the part numbers for the 67/68 from my September, 1968 P&A:

67-68 Front Left - 3909919
67-68 Front Right - 3909920
67-68 Rear Left - 3909927
67-68 Rear Right - 3909928

Also, the P&A shows the part numbers for the 69's as:

69 - Front Left - 3950101
69 - Front Right - 3950102
69 - Rear Left - 3950109
69 - Rear Left - 3950110

Looks like the 69 part numbers were superceeded at some point to what Doug shows above. Wonder if the 67/68's were also superceeded??

It also appears that the 67 Firebird rears will interchange with the 67 and 68 Camaro rears. Same part number... The rest don't look interchangable (at least from a part number standpoint).

Now, I placed an ad in the "wanted" section last night for a set of front 68's. Does anyone have a front set they no longer need and would be willing to part with??? I really don't want to pay ebay prices!

Thanks
Ed

Does anyone know what car this one is for?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34204&item=4533782802&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

It looks like it would fit the right rear on my '68 Firebird for one. See: http://www.geocities.com/jims68fb/Trunk.html

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You guys are great, as an owner of both firebird and camaros - I love them all. I will have to check the shakers I got - they are 67 vintage - unfortunately my brother and I have a couple of sets and will have to see how badly we have mixed them up as he has a 68 and we have the bird.

Please keep up the great discussion. I don't have a lot to add at the moment as I am researching myself - I will try to send pics of what we have as we have a couple of sets. Come to think of it, my brother has an original 69 vert in storage we were goign to restore and am unsure if the shakers were still in it - I will look and send some pics. I do have one question. My brother and I both have verts, but wondering about body sag and a little worried about this. Any problems with the cars twisting? I was wondering about adding even more weight to the ends of the cars with the shakers. I literally put my car on the road a month ago and am ready to put away for the winter but would like to know before I have my car fully dialled in.

Bernie - 66 flareside.

Admin Edit.

Are they important to use, what do they do?

Wow, lots of conflicting info out there. I've read both shaker threads and done searches to find an answer, but nothing for sure.

Has anyone put a set of rear '68 bird shakers in a '68 camaro? I have a '68 camaro, there is a set of bird shakers on ebay. I've read posts and sites that said they will not work at all and I've read posts from people that have done it without problems.

Any help would be appriciated.

thanks

Wow, lots of conflicting info out there. I've read both shaker threads and done searches to find an answer, but nothing for sure.

Has anyone put a set of rear '68 bird shakers in a '68 camaro? I have a '68 camaro, there is a set of bird shakers on ebay. I've read posts and sites that said they will not work at all and I've read posts from people that have done it without problems.

Any help would be appriciated.

thanks

Not that there is so much conflicting info, there's a lot of it and you need to weed through some of the firebird vs camaro chest thumping that went on. Also since this thread is rather old some pictures are nothing more than little red x's.... I was able to pull this much for you though -

1968 Camaro trunk:
http://home.comcast.net/~chris.karam/Img_0876.jpg

1968 firebird trunk: http://www.geocities.com/jims68fb/Trunk.html

They look different to me and don't even look like they would bolt up...

I saw some shakers in the trunk of a 69 Firebird today.
They are either so rusted that the spring is showing on the lower half of the shaker, or, this is the way they are made. I will try to take a picture of it tomorrow. One thing for sure is, there is a spring in these things, on the lower portion anyway.

I have just learned about these cocktail shakers and I'm trying to find some parts, and some info., before I buy a 69 Firebird Convertable that a buddy of mine has.

Alright, some one answer this if they can.

Are the shakers the same on the Firebirds as the Camaros ?

Meaning, will the shakers from, say, a 69 Camaro fit a 69 Firebird ?

Well y'all got me wondering what my 68 would feel like if I put the front shakers back in. I've never thought it feels bad without them. The rear ones were in there when I bought it and the fronts were in the trunk. The passenger side is magled pretty bad from a wreck. Not leaking though. I just need to straighten out the brackets.
Thanks for the pic of the mounted 68 drivers side. I could never figure out how they mounted. My 68 is an RS. Will I have to remove the headlights and anything else to put them back in?

I can confirm that the 67 firebird will work on the 67 camaro. I just removed a set from the firebird, painted them and put them on my camaro with no problems.

Pete

just found mine in the basemant, took htem out in 81, but going back in as asap

gary v 68 rs/conv 327 rotisseried long ago

Can anyone verify if these will fit a 67?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/67-68-camaro-firebird-front-cocktail-shakers_W0QQitemZ270206223399QQcmdZViewItem?hash=i tem270206223399

Another newbie question. Does connectors rails eliminate the need for cocktail shakers? My vert has connectors from front to rear, it has the front shakers, but not the back ones. I assume someone removed them for weight reduction or cash.

Same here, I have frame connectors in my 69 Ragtop and someone took the front and rear to.... I would assume now the car in theory is a full frame car so no need to put them back in there.

Jeff G.

Same here, I have frame connectors in my 69 Ragtop and someone took the front and rear to.... I would assume now the car in theory is a full frame car so no need to put them back in there.

Jeff G.

Another newbie question. Does connectors rails eliminate the need for cocktail shakers? My vert has connectors from front to rear, it has the front shakers, but not the back ones. I assume someone removed them for weight reduction or cash.


No the cocktail shakers have nothing to do with frame rigidity... With no solid roof there is a resonance that passes through the body. The shackers act as a dampner and cancel out the resonance. If it were just a matter of needing a brace the factory would have installed something more like the under hood fender braces.

Bottom line unless your car only sees use a quarter mile at a time you need all 4 shakers.

I'm picking up my first camaro convertible tomorrow.It needs a full resto,but all 4 shakers are there.Never having had a camaro convertible before.My studip questions are--What exactly are the purpose of the coctail shakers? and what do they do? Are they some type of spring can or are they fluid filled? Yes it is a 67 and my other car is a 67 big block 4spd coupe, Soon to be two 67 big block cars. Yee Haaaaa!!!!!!!!!! I'm so exited I can't get to sleep. Leaving @ 5am for the 250 mile round trip to pick it up.

Will try to post pics when I get it home.

Thanks guys,
Scott

scott just read this thread from day one and you will get all your answers. :)

I'm picking up my first camaro convertible tomorrow.It needs a full resto,but all 4 shakers are there.Never having had a camaro convertible before.My studip questions are--What exactly are the purpose of the coctail shakers? and what do they do? Are they some type of spring can or are they fluid filled? Yes it is a 67 and my other car is a 67 big block 4spd coupe, Soon to be two 67 big block cars. Yee Haaaaa!!!!!!!!!! I'm so exited I can't get to sleep. Leaving @ 5am for the 250 mile round trip to pick it up.

Will try to post pics when I get it home.

Thanks guys,
Scott

I guess you missed my post right above yours... ;)

DJD,

I did miss it! I was so excited about picking up the car. I blew right by it .


Thanks,
guys

DJD,

I did miss it! I was so excited about picking up the car. I blew right by it .


Thanks,
guys

Well did you get your ragtop? Head over to Bench Racing and post up some pictures... :thumbsup:

I've been searching for some cocktail shakers for my '69 Camaro and finally ended up with a complete set of 4 from a '69 Firbird, plus a set of front shakers from a '69 Camaro. I thought there might be some interest in their differences, as whether they are interchangeable seems to be a common question. The canisters themselves are identical, each measuring 9 1/4 x 4 1/4 inches, but the mounting brackets are definitely different. Refer to the attached pics. The Camaro shaker (right) has two mounting holes in each side arm which are located 1 1/8 and 3 1/8 inches from the canister, while the Firebird shaker has one hole in each of these brackets located 2 inches from the canister. The Camaro lower mounting bracket is longer, 3 1/8 inches compared to the Firebirds 1 3/4 inches. The Firebird also has an extra mounting bracket at the top. It looks from this that a Firebird front shaker will not simply swap into a Camaro without some modifications. As far as the rear shakers go, I haven't installed them yet but the Firebird shakers look like they line up and should fit well.

Steve "?"

Your shakers look identical to mine in my 67 bird, sorry I do not have a pic at this time
CB

Hello everyone it has been a while since I posted anything as I have been busy getting ready for another go round in Iraq. That being said, I have been reading about these shakers and found out I am missing all 4 as well. No wounder my car acts like a shark going down the road.
I am looking for them but it is real hard for me to look at all sites frome Germany. Can anyone help me find a set for my 67??
Thanks in advance for your help.

I had the front two missing from my 69 pacer. I found them on ebay.
you have got to have patience....
I still have not installed them though; a picture would be nice on the 69 vert...

excellent idea. We can put the info together in a techref article.

i can help as i have always carried these shakers in stock (i recognize by sight however a few pics would be even better....ask away....BILL www.billscamaros.com

Anyone have pictures of 1969 Rears?

http://www.worldwidecamaro.com/showthread.php?t=6385

The inside of a shaker

Anyone have pictures of 1969 Rears?

These are from my Z11 - they where out for a short period - I was forced to change the trunk floor ..:(:(

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4783/bild1573camaro1969rears.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4783/bild1573camaro1969rears.jpg