I finally figured it out. How to use electic motors for a 68-69 rs. It took a long time and a little fabrication but they work great with the flip of a switch. You can go to the classified section or Ebay item 7901930310 for details.

Before they pull this post, my only suggestion would be to reverse the buy it now price and the shipping charges. $10. is fine, but most people will be irritated by a $9.01 shipping charge for instructions.

Neat idea though.

Jody

Ebay charges a final item value based on how much the item sells for, thus if it sells for $1 and shipping is $9 then there are less EBAY COSTS to the seller.

Camcojb,
He specifically listed the prices that way to avoid paying E-Pay a larger percentage of the sale price.. It makes sense to me.. If you notice, he also states that he will not accept PayPal as they too take a BIG cut of the money you receive..

I am willing to bet money that this guys "great idea" is all about using a power window motor which I recommended well over a year ago, and maybe even closer to two years-on this very site. In my original plan, I recommended using one motor and then have a cable operate the second door. This guy looks like he is using a two motor system which would work, but would require doubling everything which in my mind is more work than my original plan.

Who knows, maybe he has a plan that will make him some cash and at the same time help fellow Camaro lovers out. I wish him the very best in his endeavors.

Makes sense guys; not much of an Ebay guy myself, didn't think of that!

Jody

I saw this thread earlier and wasn't sure how to deal with it since Stacy has been around over 4 years... I'm not moderating with all this just expressing how I feel. I'm a bit puzzled that someone that has been around that long would take advantage of the forums and advertize. On top of that it's for a "how to"! We come here to share information with each other and so many pour their experience into helping... I'm not against free enterprise but to what extent given the the environment here on TC?

I also don't know what Stacy's finances are like but unless someones gonna break his legs if he doesn't pay up, I don't understand the need to take advantage of the ebay system. The rest of us will end up paying because of the increases that come to cover losses from folks scamming. Not much different than the ebay ads folks always point out, you know they're advertised as the real thing dual exhaust car and don't have the exhaust hanger on the driver side rear frame rail. Sure ebay is a big company with lots of money but to me that's no excuse!! Like I said I'm not moderating this, just voicing my opinion. I'll leave the thread and let Al step in if he feels the need to... graemlins/sad.gif

How much would E-Bay take out of ten bucks??

I don't think ten is too much for the info if it is a really good setup and if the instructions sold are well done and complete.
What I'd hate is to buy something like this and get some blotchy photo copied poorly written vague instructions.

As far as charging for it, I don't object to a minimal charge if that's the way the guy wants it. I also have the option to look elsewhere or invent my own setup. Sure it would be great if he put it on a web page for us all to download for free! But he isn't charging fifty bucks for it either.

As for advertising here, it's a tossup between doing the members a service of the info source and blatant advertising. I guess if it were not the seller giving us the link, it would look more like a friendly tip.

I have to say in the end, I wouldnt print or duplicate several photos, write and print out pages of instructions, take internet orders, package address and mail them out, all to make five bucks a pop. I'd guess there are at least five bucks cost in doing it let alone my time.

I AM used to seeing lots of info for free here and when something isn't, it stands out. Am I waffling? Maybe, so I'll quit.
David

A lot of people have spent a lot of time giving advice and writing long explanations on how to do things(MartinSR) that would otherwise cost a lot of coin if you were to take it to a pro. A lot of pros here give advice and share expertise here on a daily basis,thats what these forums are about.Martin Sr with his body basics and Bonecrusher sharing his rotiserrie plans are two that come to mind.Doesn't seem right for someone to pop in and want to sell us info.

It would have been nice if he would have just shared it with us but in my mind it is also OK if he tries to make a little coin also. Maybe he could really use the 9 bucks. Or maybe it is just in his nature. We all are different and have different ways we do things.

i think what stacy should do if he want to make money is actually sell the product and not the knowledge. from there, people can decide wheather they want to do it themselves or buy one that is already made. as with everything else, it only takes one guy to buy the info and pass it to two friends and so on and then everyone has the info. just my opinion.

angel

From Stacy's profile, his recent posts seem to all start out by him starting a topic asking for help on his Camaro. Except for this last topic where he wants some dinero. I don't see him contributing much with replies to other folks postings with their 1st GEN dilemmas. However, everyone else has extended his or her generosity by giving him input on the topics he has started. The contradiction I see is that he lists himself as a high school principal in his profile, but he is charging for information. Most principals started off as teachers, which makes me draw some sad conclusions on how he values information. But then, what do my bull in a china closet conclusions mean to anyone else anyway? To me, if he just wants to make enough money to cover the cost of printing and stuffing envelopes, he shouldn’t bother. He should just post it here, because most folks using eBay are visiting this forum anyway.

As the other posters alluded to above, it isn't worth my time to print plans, market, sell, and stuff envelopes. Besides, maybe it was just the way I was raised, but I've always seemed to work harder for no money helping a friend move furniture or dig them a ditch, fix something for someone that could afford a mechanic, or do labor for a charity. And, also I got a bigger ego stroke from those actions than receiving payment for services rendered. Currently I'm trying to impart these values to my step-kids who have the what's in it for me mentality. This forum has been a huge value to me that can’t be quantified. Any tidbits I have contributed with my posts are only offsetting a fraction of the value I have received here.

My mom has written three vastly different books. She wrote one recipe book, one book on how to be your own general contractor, and one of short stories and poetry. She is working on another one to document her life in Big Sur and my great grandfather’s gold mining from 1878 to his death. They all have been spiral bound books with a few color pages and have 100 pages plus. She has charged for hard copies of them, but never recovered the costs of printing. I never saw any delusions from her to make a big wad of money from these books. In fact, the recipe book proceeds went to a charity. She is now 73 years old and loves the Internet and email. She sends email attachments of her books occasionally to folks that can benefit from them for no charge and to whom she knows won’t reprint them. I guess if she needed the money she could still try to sell hardcopies, but she doesn't print them now unless someone just has to have that tactile feel of a book in their hands.

Bonecrusher wrote:
"As the other posters alluded to above, it isn't worth my time to print plans, market, sell, and stuff envelopes. Besides, maybe it was just the way I was raised, but I've always seemed to work harder for no money helping a friend move furniture or dig them a ditch, fix something for someone that could afford a mechanic, or do labor for a charity. And, also I got a bigger ego stroke from those actions than receiving payment for services rendered. Currently I'm trying to impart these values to my step-kids who have the what's in it for me mentality. This forum has been a huge value to me that can’t be quantified. Any tidbits I have contributed with my posts are only offsetting a fraction of the value I have received here."

graemlins/beers.gif

DjD, not to intervene but 4 years and 92 posts?

Rules are Rules.

I don't think people should be judged by the number of posts they make. Now taking free information and trying to sell it back to us or others is wrong.

I find it interesting that he says in the description that "After finishing the car, someone wanted it worse than me, so I sold it".

I was high bidder on the car when he pulled it and then he said "I built this car for myself. I never intended on selling it. As you should be able to tell from the above list. I have been admitted to medical school and simply, I need the money."

He needs to get his story straight plus I'm with everyone else that this forum is built on sharing information.

David could charge $100s, maybe $1000s for his information and website graemlins/beers.gif

Originally posted by torose:

David could charge $100s, maybe $1000s for his information and website graemlins/beers.gif Hey! NOW you are talking!
Maybe I could retire and get my cars running! tongue.gif
David

Hey, I want to advertise too! This is a link I got from another forum.

http://kalecoauto.com/fluids.htm

elprup - LOL, that's pretty good stuff. I gotta get me some of that blinker fluid; I know it's been at least 150K blinks since it was changed... ;)

I went ahead and sent him $10 for his instructions. It will be interesting to see what he came up with. I say cut him some slack...it's not alot of $ and it may well be a useful alternative to the vacuum approach. Of course, I haven't received my instructions yet. If it's a rip-off, I'll let the forum know!

69bbc,

i dont think its a money issue regarding the electric motor setup info that he might have. im sure there are alot of people here with a spare 10 spot to cover the purchase. in my opinion, its just that on this site, the members just tend to share alot of info with each other then sell info. everyone likes to make an extra buck but i feel that this is something that should be shared. its like if you ask, "can someone help me with steps to put on my convertable top?". i would step up and give you advise on how i did it and what worked for me. im sure if you search, you will find some of my posts regarding installing a top. what if i posted the question, "does anyone know how to convert the vacuum operated doors to electric?" would you say "i do but you have to give me $10.00."

anyway, i guess its up to him on how he wants to use his knowledge. the knowledge that he learned is his and is up to him if he want to share it or not so i wont bash him for that.

angel

[ 05-16-2004, 04:06 PM: Message edited by: angelglo ]

I have not had the time to check this website in a couple of days and I guess it is time to set the record straight. I did list my car on ebay and I am going to medical school. I figured if I could sell it, it would help with costs of med school, but I could have managed without selling. My brother is a surgeon making a little over a million a year and would have helped me with medical school costs but I did not want to ask unless I had to. So I guess in a way it needed it to go. I did build it for me to keep. Had I intended on selling it I would have taken some shortcuts and not put the things on it that I did. I did have a guy offer me enough that it had to go. He evidently DID want it worse than me. Sorry to the guy who was high bidder at the time, but it did say in the ad that it was for sale locally and the auction might end early.

I am a high school principal but I have been a metal worker and welder in the National Guard for the past 16 years. Just got back from a 8 month tour with Iraqi Freedom, when I decided to sell the car rather than let it set for 4 years while in medical school. And yes it was tough after 3 long years to see it go. Enough about me.

I did finally manage to figure out how to use electric motors from a New Yorker(not power windows). I am not trying to maintain some high level of secrecy. If I listed on here, I knew I would be answering a multitude of emails on the process and have requests for the pics and notes. I considered a website but did not know how to do it and did not want to take the time to learn. I still cant post a pic here. After listing on ebay I have be swamped with requests and questions. I figured if I charged $10 that would pay for the envelopes, postage, ebay fees, paypal fees, getting color pics developed, and getting copies made, not to mention the gas driving to get the various stuff done and mailing. I live about 30 miles from the nearest town. I have answered many questions about the process and even explained how to convert standard to rs for a couple of people. And I did not have to do this. It is painful and very time consuming to answer over a hundred emails, many of which just have questions about the process or parts and therefore produced no money. But once again that is OK. It was not about the money. Had I wanted to get rich I would have made the products and sold them that way. I have had numerous requests for me to make it and then sell it, but I do not have the time. Right now I am in the National Guard, have a job as an adjunct professor teaching math and science classes at night, and have my day job as a prinicpal, plus two daughters to take care of. I have more than I can say grace over. The $10 was just a way to help out with costs. I cannot afford to put all the packets together and send out for free. Nor would I expect anyone to do this for me. Even at $10, I am not making much of anything, but at least I am not going in the hole. I have had many of the purchasers tell me that I should be selling for more money. I relsited on Ebay for the same amount. If I had been able to buy it for $10 rather than try to figure it out I would have gladly paid and not questioned the motives.

I did not have to list the idea here. I have been here long enough and read enough posts to know that it would offend someone when I posted(some have very thin skin) and the return posts would be coming. Just as it is. I listed here because I know what a pain it was to finally get it to work on my 69. I wanted to help the people on the site not offend. This really is a great board with some great people. I have taken up enough of your time and mine.


Al if this is causing you problems, or demeaning the site in any way do yourself a favor and take off the whole thread. It is hard to beleive that $10 is causing such a stink. If it had been free, everybody would have been wanting it and everything would have been OK.

It's got nothing to do with thick or thin skin Stacy... I always am amused how others voicing an opinion that differs is often met with a "thin skin" response. My guess is Al has seen the thread and opted to leave it. I opted to voice my opinion as opposed to moderate the thread. As I said I had mixed feelings about the whole thing. I wasn't sure if you were a user gleening free advertising or trying to help. With all the others posting and a second look at your auction I have formed an opinion though...

Envelopes: less than $5.00 for 500 at Office Depot ($.10 each)
Paper: less than $30 for a case of 10 reams (500 sheets per ream)
Stamps: $.37 each.
Prints: as low as $.20 a print, color copies can be made for about $.25 (8 1/2 x 11) sheet.

As I see it you are investing about $1.00 for every $10 returned. That's $9.00 profit and you were offering 1000 packages in the auction. That's a potential for a lot of money for a very small investment. Even if each package were $.50 more for larger envlopes and extra postage the potential is a nice profit.

More power to you but don't kid yourself you're in it for the money (just my opinion). You sold 18 sets and were overwhelmed and asked buyers to be patient if they don't get the package right away yet you relisted the auction... ???

You've defended your (our country) and I sincerly thank you for your part in that. You are currently in a role as an educator and plan to be a doctor, very commendable. You didn't address here the skirting of e-bay fees, I'm not about to contact ebay but wonder how they feel about your boldness in your auction to get around their fees and still use their system? Based on that alone I'm almost certain I wouldn't want my own child being educated by you.

Maybe I'm wrong and it's ok to exploit others (individuals and business) and take advantage of peoples generosity to get where you are going in life.

All of the above doesn't mean jack compared to this next bit of advice. Take a loan from your brother that makes a mil a year to pay your medical school and quit farting around selling piles of used parts and trying to avoid petty ebay and paypal fees... Use the loan from your brother and quit working 2 jobs and spend your time with your girls and studying. You may reach your goal and become a doctor without anyones help but you are doing it at the expense of your children!! The average single guy/gal going through med school has no baggage and it's a struggle. You're expendable but those girls are not Stacy...

Ive done alot worse with ten bucks before, but anyway my question would be what controls the motors turniong on and off when they reached their limits??

It is easy to comment on another's situation and much easier to give advice on money when you have money. The pics are more than $.36 each(tax) where I have to have them done(they get 5), plus I have to drive once to order and once to pick up,no one hour photo around here. A total of 120 miles. At 12 miles to the gallon for my truck that adds another $20 to the cost. For which, I now have three trips. Plus trips to the post office, which is 10 miles round trip. I listed a 1000 for no reason. I had only 10 envelopes made. I just did not want anyone left out and the auction to stop, so I put 1000, could have just as easily put 20. The copies are a dime apiece. Mailing is $.60, not to mention the ebay and paypal fees, for which I am not exploiting the system, just using the rules to my advantage like people do with everything. Everybody looks at rules and determines how they can benefit them. Some people speed(I am guilty) some cheat on taxes(not guilty), some people pay tithes on 10% of gross like I do, some pay on net and some not at all. Almost everybody bends rules to better suit them. So let the one that is not guilty cast the first stone.

Even though I listed not to pay by paypal most are still doing so, so I have to pay for that percentage also. I am by no means making $9 per envelope(that would be exploiting) maybe a couple of bucks if I am lucky. If my time is worth anything then I make nothing. Just for the record I have sold a whopping 25. So I guess according to some I am making a furtune on the deal. I originally only had ten made up. So I had to have more made. Most of the overwhelming responses are emails that are about what do you need to buy to do it, how does the limits work, what is needed to do a standard to rs, or would I make the stuff and then sell it to them. So I HAVE given a lot of info for free and spent hours emailing people when I could have just deleted their email and been done with it. I listed it as $10 just to be sure I would not go in the hole. I put serious thought into $25 when I first listed it but did not want it to be about making money, regardless of what some of you think. And at $25 I would have definately been selling the idea, not just trying to recoop costs. And they would have sold just as well at that price, I think. Plus in the ad I say that I am selling at a low price, to keep other people from trying to peddle it. This was once again to help the camaro owners not to have to pay a big price for the plan.

For the record, this has nothing to do with my ability to educate children. Which I might add I must be very good at being voted Principal of the year in my region. You have to be ding something right to get that. As for a loan, that is a decision that is easier said than done. As I said you dont know my situation. Also, I am selling the piles of used parts not so much for the money but just to get rid on them. I do not need them anymore and need to clean out my garage before I move, just as anyone else would do.


As for the limits of the motors, I never did have the time or elecrical knowledge to figure that one out. The motors originally were set up to work off a sensor in the dash that monitored current. When they were totally open or closed it send a big increase or decrease in current(not sure which) and the motor was turned off. I put in a momentary switch and all I had to do was push up or down for about a second and they would open or close. I bought some limit swithces to turn it off but could not figure out how to wire them without using two swithces,one for open and one for closed. I did not want two switches. If I lived in a more urban area I probably could have went to an elecrical place and got someone to make sensor for the current. I messed around with an extra motor and really put the pressure on it in the open and closed position and it never failed. Evidently they are set up to take a little bit of pressure from the factory. I figured no more than I would drive at night plus I put in new bushings before installing the motors, they would last forever.

Lastly, I do spend as much time as possible with my children. They even help to stuff the envelopes and sort the pics. I am doing as much family stuff as possible. I have been involved in both wars in Iraq and it has cost me a lot of family time. I am scheduled to go back again next year. Until you have been there, you have no idea what I have been through, how I had to live, and how I have had to sacrifice. I gave up almost two years of my life. I fully understand more than most people do about the sacrificies of being away from home and family and risking your life just to wear the military uniform and make sure that people here and abroad have freedom. Somebody has to do it. I need very little advice in the area of spending more time with family.

Once again I have taken up too much space and time. I hope you realize by now that my motives were sincere otherwise I would not be taking the time to respond/defend on this board. It would be much easier to just not worry about it.

Did anyone purchase these plans and install the system? How did it work out?

Anyone else out there attempt this successfully?

Kind Regards!

Am I the only one that thinks this whole story sounds like B.S.?

Probably not the only one, but I for one believe in Stacy, you guys really need to lighten' up. Just my humble opinion.......KZ

Stacy is still selling his instructions on ebay, his latest auction just ended today... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10076&item=2486659948

He changed his pricing structure so they cost $11 now instead of $10. He has many happy customers...

His stories sound like a soap opera. Hopefully they are true because it sounds as if he has done many positive things.

I don't know, maybe I'm just apathetic, but I could care less about his back story.

What I would like is a clean electric alternative to the 20 miles of vaccume lines in the stock system.

I don't mind spending the $10 as long is it is not a scam.

DJD, do you know anyone on the board that has purchased the instructions and installed the system?

Thanks!

This guy is an idiot.

And not only that, the whole thing is exactly what we DON'T do here on this site. This is a place I go to swap info out and help ppl... no money changes hands here. Post the ad where it belongs and stop bothering us, son.

Let's not bring back all the "issues" revolving around this please, as it was dead months ago.

Keith - I haven't heard of anyone buying from here on te site but with about 160 feedbacks, most of which are for the instructions you could e-mail some of them and ask how it went.

Ah the hell with it I ordered bought 1 to try it myself. If it works great if it doesnt oh well. I know I have spent more money than that on my 69 that was a waste or wouldnt work. How many others out there bought stuff that either wouldnt work or you changed your mind and went with something else? I have at least 2 apple bins full of parts I pulled because I changed my mind and directions. I should sell them but maybe next time. My wife about killed me when my new Performer RPM Air Gap and a Holley 750 came (with gaskets) only to be pulled off without even being used to change to a Holley MP EFI, or the Billet Specialtys valve covers I hated and took off to go with a different set. So as I see it I'm rambling here but I know were all guilty of spending far more for less. So in conclusion if it saves me a bunch of time trying to make something else work I'm money ahead. But according to my wife my tme isnt worth that much or is it worth alot since I dont have enough???
Also I too am one of those who will give my time and as much as needs to help others, and time and time again I have done this for peolpe only to have some who you have helped (friends) who alsways have something to do when you could use a little help. But thats life. I never ask for something in return or expect it.
I'll get of my pulpet now.
Mike

I am in no defense of anyone here, but I think we should take the people out of this and look at the facts. To start with it was wrong to post an item for sale here, as this is a place for the free exchange of ideas, information, and help for each other. I had already seen the info on ebay for sale and more than likely the rest of you had as well and did not need to see it here also. I have been helped many times here, both through questions I have asked, and from reading your posts as well. I hope I too have been able to help some folks with the few posts I have made. True this gentleman has come up with an idea, supposedly perfected it, and now is wanting to make a bit of a profit from it. Do we not purchase ideas everyday in the form of magazines? Why are they not free? Ideas become inventions, which we then buy as goods, but the patent holder gets a cut for the idea. We just do not realize it because we actually purchase it in product form, not the idea. If you own a Craftsman ratchet, the guy that invented that quick release button got some of the money. Look around you and think about all the things you use everyday and they were at one time an idea that someone patented and then got paid for it. If this gentlemen wants to charge for his idea, that is his right. It is also your right to either purchase it, as some of you have decided to do, or walk away. That decision is yours. That is all that really needs to be said. I do not know any of you, only through this site. Now go back to the top and read all these posts. My only dissappointment is the way you have treated each other, and no I am not a bleeding heart. I would just expect a little more commeraderie of all of you than this. I have thick skin, so if you feel the need, kick on me for a while, but it still will not change the fact that all this negative input is unnessesary. If this is the worst thing that has happened to you today, you should be darned happy. Apparently your home was not destroyed in the hurricane, you are not away from your family having to serve in the gulf, and no one is going to cut your head off in 3 days. As Rambo would say, "Let it go."

This is just beating a dead horse...