: GAS PRICES
Wayne Apr 15th, 04, 10:13 AM Do you fill like you have been stuck with probing poll by these oil company's gas prices, when the news meadea says they raise the price 2.5 cents a gallon just for easter they are gauging everyone. We have been lucky here in SC for the prices compared to the prices in some other areas but they are still high. Those prices will make you park those high compression motor's or make short run's in them. There should be some laws about the gauging part. But there would be some lawyer take up for them.
67rsssvert Apr 15th, 04, 10:23 AM Wayne, while I agree with you (there oughta be a
law), it'd be impossible to get such a law passed while the people 'in charge' own and/or have such an interest in the oil industry. I'm always amazed when an incident happens to interrupt gas or oil supplies and the same or next day prices rise at the pumps. But, it takes sooooo looong for the prices to go down when supplies are restored or crude prices fall. By the way, the most I paid recently was $2.30 in Atascadero CA last week. Around here (Roseville, CA) prices are around $2.20/gal. :(
Judd Apr 17th, 04, 05:22 AM Prices are the same here too. $2.20 gallon for 93 Exxon or Shell V Power (supposedly 94 octane) so don't feel bad. Being in the petrochemical industry, I suggest that everyone prepare to spend around the $2 range for a while.
zuma Apr 17th, 04, 05:53 AM Got a deal yesterday for the 4x4...2.25 per gal for low grade!...I can't wait to fill up the 69 with super... graemlins/sad.gif
paulm Apr 17th, 04, 06:02 AM At what price do you think we (the american public) will force a change? Will we pay 3.00 a gallon and just say "oh well" and keep buying SUV's, etc that get 12-15 MPG? How about 4.00?
I'm wondering at what price point people change their mindset and start buying more fuel efficient vehicles and pressure car makers and politicians to come up with better, cheaper alternative fuel options and better public transportation?
Maybe nothing ever changes and gas prices just continue to rise and we just live with it. Alternative fuel options continue to be suppressed and the cost of gas becomes everyones largest expense, even more than our mortgage on a monthly basis?!?!
Tony67SS Apr 17th, 04, 06:07 AM We could move down to Venezuala. Gas there is .28 cents a gallon.
camaroman7d Apr 17th, 04, 06:12 AM Well I just paid 2.4999 last night on my way home from a trip in the Camaro. Not much I could do about it was running low and I didn't want to push.
I agree they are gouging us and I think if we would boycott a few stations until they lowered the prices it would work. The problem is trying to organize something like that.
Paulm, be careful what you ask for. While I agree alternative fuel is an option, I wouldn't want to see automakers, etc.. forced to use it. As soon as that happens the price of gas will more than likely go up even more or worse they will outlaw our classic cars. There is always a price to pay for change.
I do wish they would stop putting a thumb on the guys that have come up woth alternative fuels.
novaderrik Apr 17th, 04, 07:59 AM doing some quick math in my head, with the gas price jumping from the $1.70 range it's been at for a while now to about $2.00 a gallon, i will spend an extra $10 a week on fuel..
how will i ever survive...
but, i do wish we'd find some magic alternative fuel that is totally compatible with any old internal engine, has about 100 octane or so, and costs less.. oh, yeah, we have that stuff growing in fields all over the place up here in MN- it's called ethanol, and it's made from corn.. richen the jetting, up the compression, and get better rubber fuel lines, and there we go. our cars will pollute less. farmers will be happy, and our exhaust will have that net race car smell. everybody wins, except those folks in oil exporting countries, that is.
pdq67 Apr 17th, 04, 08:59 AM But gasohol isn't as good on the air b/c it's fuel RVP limit has to be raised from 7.0 and 7.2 for non-alcohol containing fuels to 8.0 for fuels containing up to 10 percent Ethanol!!!
In other words gasohol evaporates faster then most regular unleaded non-alcohol containing gasolines!!! AND that put's the OZONE pollutant standard in jepardy in nonattainment areas...
IT'S A BIG POLITICAL THING, imho.....
pdq67
paulm Apr 17th, 04, 09:06 AM I don't know too much about ethanol, except that it's an additive to gasoline. Propane is 110 octane or so, but requires a substantial fuel system change to accomodate and is still considered a fossil fuel (derivative of natural gas or petroleum). Natural gas requires the same major fuel system change, but has less octane. Both burn pretty cleanly though.
I don't know, but if gas does eventually cost $3-$4 a gallon I think that there will be many people hurting financially.
Is it really that tough to find a substitute for gasoline or is it that the oil companies won't allow it to be found?
P.S. Royce, worst case scenario is that gasoline is banned, or too expensive but propane will probably always be around. I have researched the parts to swap to propane and even spent a couple of days at local shops that do the swaps, so I am prepared to do so if I have to swap to save the camaro! graemlins/thumbsup.gif
Steve W Apr 17th, 04, 09:39 AM Jeeze...I wish I had your gas prices. They're really sticking it to us here in Los Angeles. AND, we can only get 91 octane...MAX. This is just a test. We will see 3.00 a gallon soon.
YouthTronix Apr 17th, 04, 12:29 PM I pay 2.39/gal for 91 octane. And that is only for the crappy gas at AM PM. If I went to a 76 or Chevron or something like that it would be probably 2.45+
sherr20 Apr 17th, 04, 01:51 PM Ok I'm not a chemical engineer, but couldnt a synthetic gasoline be made, just as synthetic oil is? Problem would be getting it cheap, but if made in large quantities maybe it could.
camaroman7d Apr 17th, 04, 03:50 PM I have no doubt that there are already "alternative" fuels around. The problem is as mentioned above, the big oil companies stand too much (read $$$$$$$) to lose so they will make sure when and "if" an alternative comes around they will be in control. I have heard stories about them paying people not to develop the alternative fuels (I don't know how true these stories are), I know one of them was a corn based fuel and the story goes, they paid him for his "formula" and sent him to retirement.
There is still the problem of distribution. Even if you came up with a fuel and all the stations refused to sell it, then what? Not many people/companies can afford to put up stations from coast to coast on every other freeway exit. This is where the oil companies have it made, they are going to be in the "game" no matter what.
Richz68 Apr 17th, 04, 06:29 PM $1.62 for 87 octane here.....
ZZ430DropTop67RS Apr 17th, 04, 06:40 PM $1.89 for 85 octane.
$2.09 for 91.
The highest prices ever in Colorado...
novaderrik Apr 17th, 04, 08:30 PM on friday, the gas at the station a half mile from me was $1.87 for 87, and $1.97 for the 93 octane. saturday, it was $1.79/$1.85- but the gas station 3 blocks up the road from there was at $1.87 for the 87, and every other town i was in on saturday the gas was right around $1.79.
i don't get how the pricing works...
Wayne Apr 18th, 04, 08:09 AM It is around $1.64 here in SC
About $4.75 per gallon on the otherside of the big lake (the Netherlands). It has just raised a few cents a day or 2 ago.....it is still rising here :(
I love driving a V8 with these gas-prices ;)
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