Did they come in a 67, I removed my head liner and the provisions are there, two holes with the nuts for the bolts.??? Thanks for any info.

Hey Mike I am very intrested in this as well. I will keep an eye on this post to see how it goes. Lap belt are just a little scarry.

Yes, shoulder belts did come in 1967 Camaro's. I am in the process of redoing some for my car. I have all the measurements now, aquired from KevinW. He was a great help. Shoulder belts came in both deluxe and standard belts. Look on the CRG site for specifics on installation. BTW, those anchors you see in that structure were installed in all Camaro's. Provision for Chevrolet at the time of manufacture.

very, very, very rare in '67 as a factory install.

My 67 came with them from the factory and yes, they are rare. The hard part to replicate would be the holder that mounts to the rear inner panel.

Luckily for Scot, I sold him an NOS black pair of holders from my stock :D Jonsey, can you verify the webbing length from your factory set? Thanks

What measurement do you want? Just the belt webbing or the whole thing including the chrome latch and mount? I'll try to get it this weekend. Mine are deluxe belts. It may cost you somewhere down the line, Kevin:)

So If they were ,are they still available? Since the mounts are there. Thanks Mike

Jonesy, put the end of the tape measure at the anchor point in the roof as close in as you can and stretch out the full length of the webbing to the folded end. That will give me a rough estimate. Then I can add a little more for the folded over ends (and see how close it is to what I gave Scot (Scot, please refresh my memory :)). Thanks!

I'm sure we can work something out for the exchange of information :)

Hamill 1967
Model 162

Dated 39 C 66

May 67 car

55 inches long (a lot longer than I thought they would be) from ceiling mount to end.
There are folded over 3 inches on the end in the roof and 1 inch on the other end, just like all other belts

I took pics but need to find my adapter to load them up on my computer.

Thanks, Jonesy. I see a pattern to these special belts. I think they made a batch early in the model year and because they were not ordered much, the dates get really spread out. Thanks!

Here are some pics of my 67 z28's Shoulder belts and how they attach.
My car is coded 5ZY on the tag - Deluxe seat belts and Custom Shoulder Belts

http://hobbystage.net/camaro/media.cgi?site=jonesy67&folder=*&group=1&page=*&id=1112548750-006164

http://hobbystage.net/camaro/media.cgi?site=jonesy67&folder=*&group=1&page=*&id=1112548804-006167

http://hobbystage.net/camaro/media.cgi?site=jonesy67&folder=*&group=1&page=*&id=1112548767-006165

http://hobbystage.net/camaro/media.cgi?site=jonesy67&folder=*&group=1&page=*&id=1112548828-006168

Kevin, to specify the measurement length, you had me measure the belts at the fold attaching to the achor. Then to the end of the buckle part, not including the folded and sewn part. Jonesy, is this how you measured yours?

KevinW said in a previous email, "Scot, the overlap is the same, from as large as 1" to as small as 3/4". Just match the overlap of the rest of your belts. The lengths are finished+6=raw 19" +6" for the male floor side, 55" +6" for the roof buckle side. The model number is 163. I sent an email with the pic."

Is this measurement coincide with what we are getting from Jonesy?

My take on it would be 55 inches + 3inch overlap at roof + 1 inch overlap at belt end.
59 inches total belt is used to make it 55 inches long with folds.

So, from what I have gathered, Kevin, is that both Model 162 and 163 were used for shoulder belts huh?

OK, bunches of questions here :) First Kurt S. provided the 163 model, but 67 had some early model #s that were different than later ones, so both could be correct. But I will let Kurt make that call.

Belt lengths varied as much as an inch, so the length measurements are a rule of thumb. What I have found is that the anchor (roof anchors takes a little more than floor anchor) and tongue ends take 3" extra each and the folded (twice) end take about 2". The extra inch I qouted earlier was for oops factors. When you order webbing, it is by the yard, so you do not want to leave yourself short. You can always trim it a little to get the finished lengths perfect.

It is nice to get confirming belt lengths, thanks Jonesy.

Scot, I talked to Kevin and you have not been in touch. I figured you just had stuff going on. Just finished up the 69 Trans Am blue belts with the new repro labels from Kevin. They came out real nice.

Just a thought, maybe my belts are model 162 because they are Deluxe belts. My car was ordered for the strip which may be why I have 4.88 rear, shoulder belts and headrest seats. If you need anything else, let me know

Kevin, yah, I been working the last 5 weekends, and this last weekend was my first one off. Earning lots of dough, and spending it as fast as I get it. Kevin wants a sample belt to get color I guess. I will have to send one so he can get the material, then I'll send the rest so they can be made. What is the early tags you have on the shoulder belts? 162? Most of my belts were along the same date as Jonesy's. I wondered if I had those tags made that I should stick to the same date code as my originals?

Kurt sent me an draft of the CRG seatbelt paper. In it, the 67 shoulders were 163, I guess I have to double check with him.

Kevin can also reproduce your labels and dates (stick with the same dates as your originals), make sure you talk about that with him too. I have to post some pics tonight.

Is anyone going to repo these shoulder belts to sell to everyone? I would love to have a set in my 67. I have the deluxe seat belts in my 09 C Camaro . If anyone repos theses let me know, I'm very interested in buying a set.

Johnny never seen anyone offer the factory type repo,if iam wrong someone correct me,,I have bought a set of replacment shoulder belts from Ricks,but there nothing like the originals,,but they work good,,,and If anyone Kurt??? Has any info on shoulder belts for convertabiles all 3 years i would like too know more about them,, length, mounting & hardware used for them, Frank

Frank, I have the convertible shoulders all spec'ed out. I have repro-ed the special parts and the webbing is available. The hardware is the same as regular belts. I will post some pics later tonight.

The problem is the condition of the hardware. I have a bunch of buckles and tongues, but none of them are good enough to put on a car. The chrome condition is the key and plastic covers for standards. If you can provide the hardware, I can make the belts (factory non-retract style). Last weekend I made a set of 69 front and rear convert shoulders for a Pace car, they are sitting in a box awaiting payment.

Johnnyr, Same goes for 67 coupe shoulders.

If black is your interior color, and you have the hardware, I will have no problem making a set. If your interior is another color, then there could be issues. Not all colors are available. Custom matched colors require a 50 yard min from manufacturer (gets pricy!).

Ebay has good belt auctions, but you have to pay the price. Make sure you buy Irvins for standard or Hammil for deluxe. And there are differences in the buckles between the years too (67, vs 68 vs 69). Do your homework before buying belts to match your car. Don't get hung up on webbing condition or length (it gets replaced :)), just concentrate on correctness and condition.

Luck!

Thanks Kevin,, i have a box of 150 belts on there way from e-bay,,I will need to put togather 2 full sets for convertabiles,,if you can get me a list of what i will need and i will let you reweb them,if your intrested Thanks Frank

Frank, now you are going to make me work :) 150 belts! :eek: Maybe we can work some trades into the deal.

for each single person seating position, you need, 1 buckle, 1 tongue, 2 anchors. I provide (but you pay for :D), 2.5 yards of webbing, 1 black stay, 1 clear sleeve and 1 black armrest clip(only for fronts) + sewing and instruction pages.

So total up your seating positions and find matching buckles for each of your cars and get in touch. I have enough black webbing for 1 more car, but it sounds like I have to order more.

You guys got me thinking now. I am going to recheck my belts and make sure they are 162 models. Maybe I am wrong. I may even take a few pics of the tags.

Ok great Kevin,,soon as i get the box i will go thru them and get up the parts i will need and sure we can work out something on the other belts if you need them,,Jonessy i just sold a set of 67 deluxe belts that where hamil model #127,,not shoulder belts thou,,,,, Frank

Here are the pics I promised.

Here are the parts needed to make a set of front and rear shoulder belts for a 69.
http://www.fototime.com/6CE80908D5068C4/standard.jpg

Here are the belts finished.
http://www.fototime.com/790485F534BB073/standard.jpg

Here is how they look mounted.
http://www.fototime.com/D14D246385FD238/standard.jpg

And here are the repro labels I talked about.
http://www.fototime.com/4D9407339DD2066/standard.jpg

Okay guys, I was WRONG!:clonk: I rechecked my belts and they are model 163 and have a sticker on the back that says something about not using the belt in conjunction with the lap belt.

:o Pics are coming right up:o


http://hobbystage.net/camaro/media.cgi?site=jonesy67&folder=*&id=1112748785-006201


http://hobbystage.net/camaro/media.cgi?site=jonesy67&folder=*&id=1112748749-006200

Other belts are Hamill 1967 Model 122 dated 8 C 67

Jonesy, those model 122, is that for the front belts? Male end or buckle end?

Model 122 is the rear belts both male and female. 67 deluxe front laps are 125 (early) or 127 (late). Both male and female have the same matching number.

Kevin, in those sets of belts I got from the junkyard, I have a pair of Model 122 dated 35C66, which I pulled from a Biscayne and Impala (rear belts). I have 2 sets of those, one from each car. Just thought you would like to know.

Also, I have both 125 and 127 model belts on my car as you know. How can either belt be late or early when both came from my car? Of the belts that were on my car, which ones actually had the plastic cover on them? Because both 125 and 127 models have those covers on them. I believe that the belts I have were probably mixed, or combined in your early/late assumption. A 125 male end and the 127 buckle end. Also from the belts I gathered at the junkyard, I have a pair of Model 108 belts, same color (turquoise) from a 1966 Chevelle dated 18C66.

O.k. To answer my second question I asked on this subject "are they still available" ? I guess they are,but hard to find all the hardware,then to get someone,to make the webbing. Thanks for all the Info. Mike

Scot, Kurt documented the cutover from early to late was around week 49 1966. What are the dates of your belts again?
The impala belts are fine, they just might be a little longer than Camaros. The Chevelle ones should be very close to Camaros.

Maybe the early vs late was the addition of the retractor on the lap belt. Without the retractor, both ends of the front lap would have a plastic cover hiding the anchor bolt.

Kevin might be able to just clean, resew for length and relabel the ones you have, instead of getting new webbing (except for the real long shoulder piece).

Kevin, the numbers are really faint. I think they say either 33C66 or 39C66. Since I don't have the retractor on those front belts, the plastic covers on the anchor ends of the belts are correct. The 125 vs 127 issue is still cloudy though.

Mike, some of the belt parts are available through different resources. I am going through a guy in Texas who KevinW recommended for the webbing and assembly. I now have all the parts cept for the webbing. I am waiting a reply from Kevin Shaffer for an address so I can send the sample belt for color matching. I have searched Ebay, different websites and fellow members here on TC for other parts. Thanks to all of who have helped me.

OK guys, I just bought a 67 camaro with no shoulder belts. It seems by what I have read in this thread is that all camaros built in 67 at least have the roof mount already provisioned. Is this true? If so, does any one have any suggestions on installing the belts without removing the headliner? The headliner is new and I don't want to destroy it. Also, where do I but the shoulder belt kit. I don't care if it looks or is orginal. Just need black shoulder/lap belt.

OK guys, I just bought a 67 camaro with no shoulder belts. It seems by what I have read in this thread is that all camaros built in 67 at least have the roof mount already provisioned. Is this true? If so, does any one have any suggestions on installing the belts without removing the headliner? The headliner is new and I don't want to destroy it. Also, where do I but the shoulder belt kit. I don't care if it looks or is orginal. Just need black shoulder/lap belt.

Yes its true, the provisions are there for the shoulder belt mount nuts. You can probably find the holes, just by feeling for them over the headliner. If you find them, it is just a matter of punching or cutting an "X" for the bolt to mount. Some TC members can make the belts, but I would suggest looking on Ebay for the them if they are black. The black ones seem to show up alot on Ebay. If you need a set made, find the buckles and then have Snake Oyl products make them for you. Buckles are fairly priced on Ebay too. I have found many sets of deluxe buckles in local junkyards and really dirt cheap. Seems those yard don't know what they are, so the cheaper the better for me. :D The 67's used stowage recepticles on the side panels or deluxe arm rest. Those also have showed up on Ebay. But, they aren't cheap.

I just sent MR5231 a PM. If you do not care about originality, then just buy a 68-9 shoulder belt set off ebay. They should work fine on a 67 :)

Thanks guys you've been a big help. I will try to feel around to find the mount through the headliner :)

Someone finally told me about this thread!

Not sure I have much to add since Kevin has answered most of the questions.

Kevin,
Just noticed that the rear belts in Steve's pacer are reversed. The rear lap buckle/clip pair is supposed to be on the driver's side. :)

Kurt, welcome to the party! :D I did not help Steve install them, I think PRC did it. To tell you the truth, I did not look that close at the lap belts and I always have to look at the diagrams.

Can I go a little off topic on a 68 shoulder belt question? How and were does the shoulder strap connect to on a 68? I have found a set and would like to install but I don't know if I have everything I need. Is there an additional buckle required for for the shoulder strap?

Connects to the same anchors as a 67.

Scot I hate to ask a real dumb question do you have any pics?

Scot I hate to ask a real dumb question do you have any pics?

How about here?

http://webpages.charter.net/k30ssrs/Assist%20pics/Shoulder%20belt%20attach.jpg

Thanks for posting the pic Scot, but, I wanted to see what the other end connected to. The lap belt buckle receiver looks like you can only snap in the lap belt which leaves the question of were to connect the shoulder belt.

Thanks

Thanks for posting the pic Scot, but, I wanted to see what the other end connected to. The lap belt buckle receiver looks like you can only snap in the lap belt which leaves the question of were to connect the shoulder belt.

Thanks

Look at this webpage on CRG. It shows everything you are asking I believe.

Well as I'm not that worried about origionality, I just ordered a set of the 3point shoulder harness seat belts from Ricks.. Should be a nice fit with the Carbau's. :)